just playin...So pfunk has 100 different ideas to keep progressing without the use of steroids eh?
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just playin...So pfunk has 100 different ideas to keep progressing without the use of steroids eh?
I know but just in case ya weren't... i had to say something.shiznit2169 said:
Well, as far as I know, his goals for bodybuilding/hypertrophy have changed and now it's more about strength and overall fitness (not that it wasn't ever about that before -- it's always been). He's VERY strong and VERY fit but there is ALWAYS room for improvement within natural reach and through natural means (i.e. hard work, education and dedication). I don't mean to speak for him. I'm sure he'd be happy to come in here and speak about it himself.
But the gist of what i'm trying to get at is that there is plenty to work on for a long time without having to go that "other" route. That's all...
GoalGetter said:
you rather become a millionaire when you are 70 from hardwork or a millionaire when you are 20 from the lottery?
shiznit2169 said:
So pfunk has 100 different ideas to keep progressing without the use of steroids eh?
there are many different ways to progress training programs if you aren't stupid.
There is NO comparison whatsoever. I swear you make the must unrelated analogies I've ever heard.motopsyko32 said:
If you play a dollar on the lottery and lose, oh well, you lost nothing more than a dollar. But if you take steroids and something goes wrong, you could lose your HEALTH. I would gladly lose a dollar instead of my health ANY DAY. Other than for a compulsive gambler, the lottery is just something you blow a buck on once in a while, knowing pretty much that winning it is wishful thinking and you could part wiht that dollar and your life won't be WORSE off than it was before you bought the ticket. Can you say the same about steroids?
WHen you decide to mess with steroids, you are pretty much deciding to gamble with your health. Is your health worth not much more than a buck to YOU?
motopsyko32 said:
Plus millionare or not, if I look at the pictures of the majority of the kidso n this board that juice and then look at how they train and the weights they are lifting the bigest conclusion I have come to is that these guys are taking steroids to get to the size and strength I was in high school. So, if you look at it like that I am already a millionaire.
and you rnot messing with you health when your doing carb depletion and when you workoout till you puke and when you do some excercise that makes "your hips hurt" to the point you cant funtion the next day? Yeah thats healthyGoalGetter said:
Abusing steroids is unhealthy, but educating yourself and using them properly can give you an edge and be beneficial.
I am no advocate for the use of steroids, but I know you have not researched and educated yourself on the use of them...
I will not touch this subject anymore to not hurt anyones feelings
I would gamble and say 1 out of 10 steroid users here dont care so much about putting up weight, they care about size... Its like someone told me once, I rather look like I can bench 600 pounds and bench 225 than bench 600 and look like I do 225....P-funk said:
I am by no means saying "DO STEROIDS ITS GOOD FOR YOU". But bashing someone cause they use or used them IMO is wrong...
Then again, opinions are like assholes. everyone has one and they all stink....
I dont know how they do in NY or in this board, but I can guarantee 3 people that have used steriods that can probably outlift 99% of this board (FOR GG, Yoyo is one of them... and you know he is HUGE; not to mention the weight he puts up! He is healthy and has 2 kids and another on the way...)
Could they have reached this level without juice? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT...
motopsyko32 said:
I am not bashing anyone on steroids. I am just stating a fact that for the most part if you are juicing and not as big as me or as strong as me I think you are pathetic. LOL.
I am not saying that steroids can't be used in a healthy manner either. Ofcourse they can. People can learn and do cycles properly. I have a number of friends that use or have used. Nothing has gone wrong with them. What I am saying is that they are not for me. I could careless about what I can do with the aid of something else. I am more interested in what I can do genetically.
Could they have reached that level without Juice? Probably not.
Could I reach their level with Juice? mabye but I would rather find out if I could reach thier level WITHOUT it.
I have a friend from Puerto Rico, and her mom always said that in Perto Rico men judge their women but how well they make flan. My friend made it once just so that I could try it, but by the time I got there her borthers and their friends ate it all. Grrrrrr! Men! LOLGoalGetter said:
legs - quick recap, going out... july 4, 2005
Warmup rowing machine 5 minutes, level 10, 926 m
squat
155/5
135/5 x 4
155 wasn't happening today
deadlift
155/3 x 3
165/1
170/1 <--- new PR!
Seated Calf Raises
40lb/10 x 3
Tempo: 3/3/x
45-degree calf raises
120/20 x 3
Warmup rowing machine 5 minutes, level 10, 926 m
squat
155/5
135/5 x 4
155 wasn't happening today
deadlift
155/3 x 3
165/1
170/1 <--- new PR!
Seated Calf Raises
40lb/10 x 3
Tempo: 3/3/x
45-degree calf raises
120/20 x 3
pretty good session. the squat was off but you are trying to go deeper than before. Whatever, sometimes it is there and sometimes it isn't. the deadlifts were great and to hit a PR at the end of the workout like that is saying a lot.
the tempo on the seated calf raises was tough as the three count isometric was held half way inbetween the top and bottom position and then decended all the way to the bottom and then up to the top. OUCH!
the tempo on the seated calf raises was tough as the three count isometric was held half way inbetween the top and bottom position and then decended all the way to the bottom and then up to the top. OUCH!
upper body, july 5, 2005
warmup - rowing machine, 3 minutes
pushups
bw/10 x 1
Bench Press
45/12 x 1
65/10 x 1
85/4 x 1 - here patrick tells me my form sucks ass and i'm moving too slow, and I have to remove some weight and go for doubles, i pout but do it.
75/2 x 4 - he tells me i need to just work on my form and speed and get rid of the plates, and go for doubles some more. i pout some more and feel like a wuss, but do it.
45/2 x 5 - made sure to come down fast, touch my chest with the bar, pause and shoot straight up again. felt like a wuss because i'm used to heavy things, but I could see where I needed work, so I appreciated being bossed around about this.
One-Arm Dumbbell Military Press
12.5/10 x 3 each arm
RI - no rest between arms
CG Seated Row
RI 30
#4/15
#5/15 x 2
BB Bicep Curls
RI 30
30/10 x 2
Rope Pressdowns
RI 30
#2+5lb/12
#3/10
YTA's
bw/15 x 3
CARDIO - Rowing Sprints
10 intervals, 30:30
Level 10
This felt great. Brutal but great.
I love rowing sprints
warmup - rowing machine, 3 minutes
pushups
bw/10 x 1
Bench Press
45/12 x 1
65/10 x 1
85/4 x 1 - here patrick tells me my form sucks ass and i'm moving too slow, and I have to remove some weight and go for doubles, i pout but do it.
75/2 x 4 - he tells me i need to just work on my form and speed and get rid of the plates, and go for doubles some more. i pout some more and feel like a wuss, but do it.
45/2 x 5 - made sure to come down fast, touch my chest with the bar, pause and shoot straight up again. felt like a wuss because i'm used to heavy things, but I could see where I needed work, so I appreciated being bossed around about this.
One-Arm Dumbbell Military Press
12.5/10 x 3 each arm
RI - no rest between arms
CG Seated Row
RI 30
#4/15
#5/15 x 2
BB Bicep Curls
RI 30
30/10 x 2
Rope Pressdowns
RI 30
#2+5lb/12
#3/10
YTA's
bw/15 x 3
CARDIO - Rowing Sprints
10 intervals, 30:30
Level 10
This felt great. Brutal but great.
I love rowing sprints
Good lookin w/o there Sister Ivy, Hows it goin?
that is a great example of pfunk
shiznit2169 said:
I expect a lot out of her in the weight room. When i am there and she is training and I am watching or training her I expect to see amazing shit. lol.
I'll try not to let you downP-funk said:
Arrrgh. Today is a rest day, and I'm so excited about the crossfit thing I've been reading abotu and getting into that I am tempted to go against my common sense (which says i NEED a rest day) and go do the crossfit workout of the day:
21-15-9 reps, for time, of
- Handstand push-ups (i would sub these with elevated p/u)
- Ring dips (sub with regular dips or gravitron dips if necessary since i have no rings)
- Push-ups
Looks like fun... oh well...
21-15-9 reps, for time, of
- Handstand push-ups (i would sub these with elevated p/u)
- Ring dips (sub with regular dips or gravitron dips if necessary since i have no rings)
- Push-ups
Looks like fun... oh well...
crosstraining looks like something i wouldn't want to do. I have looked over it and the majority of the days are either running 5k or 10k (which i hate and is not needed for me) or a variety of pushups/pullups and other odd exercises. A lot of the free weight exercises are way too light. I mean 95 pound squats? So i wonder if this is generally for women and older men?
On the other hand, if this will help you take your day off. You grow outside of the gym, not in. So i would take a rest over doing that for today. There's always tomorrow.
On the other hand, if this will help you take your day off. You grow outside of the gym, not in. So i would take a rest over doing that for today. There's always tomorrow.
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It is hard for women or men. The weight is not what it important. It is all about the rest, the reps and the speed you are doing the things in. It really gets your heart rate up and trashes the hell out of you. It is like doing cardio without riding on a bike. I garuntee you that the 95lb squat would feel heavy to you by the end of the session.
Exactly. It isn't always about pushing really heavy weight with these folks. And the running workouts are not mandatory. They just post it and well, if you wanna do that, do it, if not, they have a ton of other workouts to do. I don't think i'd like to do this exclusively. I like weight training the way i do it now, and i want to learn to do the olympic lifts and stuff... but crossfit is definitely hard, humbling and a good workout. I did one on sunday morning and it kicked my ass.P-funk said:
I am looking to benefit from crossfit workouts for building up some muscular endurance, and stimulating my muscles in other ways other than with weight training. I am also looking for ways to include this in my training for the obstacle course stuff I eventually want to do. This will be one more way i can work on my speed and agility, as well as balance and strength.
For now, I'm experimenting with it. Don't wanna completely dismiss it, as I see some benefit coming from it, and the people behind it that i've talked to so far seem like intelligent folks. So we'll see what comes of this...
Workout - Crossfit - July 7, 2005
I went to the crossfit group today.
PART ONE
3 rounds in 15 minutes of:
- 15 pullups (neutral grip on gravitron using plate #9)
- 15 pushups (starting out on my toes until i can't do any more like that then going on to my knees)
- 15 full situps
- 15 hypers on the floor
- hip flexor stretches
PART TWO
1 minute each of the following:
Squat/Push Press w/ 15lb dumbells
Burpees
Box Jumps
Dumbell Swings w/ 25lb dumbell
plus one minute rest after circuit
Complete the circuit three times for a total of 15 minutes (12 minutes of workout and 3 minutes of rest). Lowest # of reps for each station is added as my score. Still waiting to get my email from the guy in charge with my score.
It killed. KILLED. I loved it.
I went to the crossfit group today.
PART ONE
3 rounds in 15 minutes of:
- 15 pullups (neutral grip on gravitron using plate #9)
- 15 pushups (starting out on my toes until i can't do any more like that then going on to my knees)
- 15 full situps
- 15 hypers on the floor
- hip flexor stretches
PART TWO
1 minute each of the following:
Squat/Push Press w/ 15lb dumbells
Burpees
Box Jumps
Dumbell Swings w/ 25lb dumbell
plus one minute rest after circuit
Complete the circuit three times for a total of 15 minutes (12 minutes of workout and 3 minutes of rest). Lowest # of reps for each station is added as my score. Still waiting to get my email from the guy in charge with my score.
It killed. KILLED. I loved it.
Holy cow, thats one heckuva w/o!!! I would have 
for sure!!! Hows it goin?
for sure!!! Hows it goin?
hahaha! i thought i was going to! it would have earned me extra points for sure with these folks! hahahaha!Archangel said:Holy cow, thats one heckuva w/o!!! I would have
I'm doing good, how are you?
P-funk said:Looks like a fun workout.
She also stayed afterwards and some people there were helping her learn how to do cleans....I am not good enough.
insert long silence here...
(This is me ignoring this comment --
)Woo hoo!! That looks like HEAPS of fun!GoalGetter said:
Damn - I wish they had a crossfit group in Sydney! I'd have to seriously think about joining!
You can actually follow the workouts at home! Maybe not the ones we do in the NYC group but crossfit.com posts a workout every day and you complete it and go post your time/reps/comments etc on the site for that day. I haven't done it like that yet, but i might, one of these days. Today is a rest day on that site, but they have an archive of all their exercises.Emma-Leigh said:Woo hoo!! That looks like HEAPS of fun!
Damn - I wish they had a crossfit group in Sydney! I'd have to seriously think about joining!
Check out "The girls" - it's a bunch of different workouts, just that they're named after women (not sure who they are). Fran, Ellen, etc...The site talks a lot about their exercises (provides videos for anyone who has no idea what a muscle-up is, like me!), and even talk about nutrition. I don't really think i can adopt their nutrition ideas because I like my oats and brown rice.
They suggest a paleo diet, or paleo-Zone diet. The zone part might be easier for me than the paleo part, but I'll stick with the way I eat for now...
However, I think you might find a lot of that stuff interesting to at least read through!
Workout - Crossfit - July 9. 2005
Today i did another crossfit workout, in place of my total body day.
It was one of their "girls", Helen. I warmed up with 3 rounds of 20-seconds of bw squats, 10-seconds rest. Then I met Helen...
For time, three circuits of the following:
Run 400 meters (which I did at 7mph)
21 kettlebell swings (which I did with a 25lb dumbbell because i have no kb's)
12 pullups (which i did on the gravitron with #10 assistance)
Finished in 13:03
Goals for the next time I do a Helen:
- Increase my speed on the 400 meter run
- Did really well with the DB Swings, so maybe just work on explosiveness with that weight before moving up - they were killer
- Work my way toward unassisted pullups for all three rounds.
Today i did another crossfit workout, in place of my total body day.
It was one of their "girls", Helen. I warmed up with 3 rounds of 20-seconds of bw squats, 10-seconds rest. Then I met Helen...
For time, three circuits of the following:
Run 400 meters (which I did at 7mph)
21 kettlebell swings (which I did with a 25lb dumbbell because i have no kb's)
12 pullups (which i did on the gravitron with #10 assistance)
Finished in 13:03
Goals for the next time I do a Helen:
- Increase my speed on the 400 meter run
- Did really well with the DB Swings, so maybe just work on explosiveness with that weight before moving up - they were killer
- Work my way toward unassisted pullups for all three rounds.
