Glutamine

[gopro]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy



Yeah right.

I know what kind of shots you're taking, and they ain't glutamine, lol.

You only wish that were true...

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Originally posted by gopro


Do you consider this impossible? Perhaps it is not a "normal" result, but there is always going to be a wide spectrum, from non-responders to "unusually good" responders, to any supplement.

Impossible if its being attributed to the glutamine, I'd have to say yes. I honestly don't see how an amino that's widely present in practically every protein source could be deficient, and certainly not deficient enough to have that dramatic an effect in anyone.

I really wish that someone could corroborate these results with the elimination of any other probable variables. It *might* be the glutamine, but its most likely not.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Snake_Eyes


Impossible if its being attributed to the glutamine, I'd have to say yes. I honestly don't see how an amino that's widely present in practically every protein source could be deficient, and certainly not deficient enough to have that dramatic an effect in anyone.

I really wish that someone could corroborate these results with the elimination of any other probable variables. It *might* be the glutamine, but its most likely not.

You need an excessive amount of glutamine to get true ergogenic benefits...in the neighborhood of 15 to as high as 50 grams per day, above and beyond what you get from food. Remember that the gut is truly a "glutamine hog," and it will take almost all of it for its own use. You need alot of it to get what is needed to the muscles.

I have seen time and time again the dramatic improvements in my clients' physiques after adding glutamine in high doses, while contrlling all other variables.

I do admit that the 7 lbs in two weeks that the above gentleman gained is a rare case if it is true, but I have seen gains near this in 4 weeks or so.

 

[Lightman009]

OK, during this time I was also taking my usual supps of protein and a multivitamin, so I guess these two things could have helped. However, I dont think I lost fat, I just believe that my muscles got a better pump and therefore it seemed like I was more cut when in fact maybe the muscles just got bigger and are now more apparent with the same amount of fat. But yes, this all seemed to happen right when I started taking Glutamine.

 

[Eggs]

dg, yeah... I generally hit around 20-25g a day when I take it. I cycle on and off, and I can notice a difference when doing so. (I know, dont have to... but its a habit, what can I say).

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by Lightman009
HEY CD, before using Glutamine I had plateud at 178lbs (Im on a bulking phase) and after using Glutamine for 2 weeks I shot up to 185 and was able to break other plateus in the weight room. I also noticed my abs starting to come through much more, which I had been working on for quite a while to no avail, and my arms became more cut as well. Bottom line, the stuff worked for me whether you like it or not.

WoW!

So in the next two weeks you should be 192lbs and even leaner!

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Lightman009
OK, during this time I was also taking my usual supps of protein and a multivitamin, so I guess these two things could have helped. However, I dont think I lost fat, I just believe that my muscles got a better pump and therefore it seemed like I was more cut when in fact maybe the muscles just got bigger and are now more apparent with the same amount of fat. But yes, this all seemed to happen right when I started taking Glutamine.

Good stuff man...don't pay Chicken Daddy any mind.

 

[Lightman009]

Well, CD, like with anything else in weightlifting, the initial gains will be the greatest gains seen, so I dont expect to keep up this pace and be adding 7lbs every 2 weeks. EVEN YOU should know that.

 

[Robboe]

Fair enough.

 

[stubb]

Cycling

Eggs, how do you cycle it? 6 weeks on 6 off? Is it important to cycle or is glut something you can take all of the time?

 

[Mudge]

Is this something that improves protein metabolism or ...?

 

[Lightman009]

Yes, one of its benefits is the increased absorption of Protein.

 

[Mudge]

Guess I'll dig around some, this is a new sup to me.

 

[ponyboy]

I always thought that glutamine was used for recovery and to boost the immune system to combat the effects of hard training on the body's systems. In terms of ergogenic effects it really doesn't do anything IMO. I take it because I don't get run down as easily after hard training. It has helped me to combat my immune system and stay working hard in the gym.

 

[Robboe]

Combat your immune system?!

I think i get the gist of what you're trying to say, but that could do with re-wording, dude.

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by Lightman009
Yes, one of its benefits is the increased absorption of Protein.

Where did you get that from?


It's good for the villi of the gut, but that doesn't necessarily equate to increased protein absorption.

 

[ponyboy]

Originally posted by ponyboy
I always thought that glutamine was used for recovery and to boost the immune system to combat the effects of hard training on the body's systems. In terms of ergogenic effects it really doesn't do anything IMO. I take it because I don't get run down as easily after hard training. It has helped me to combat my immune system and stay working hard in the gym.

Sorry TCD, I'll clarify. I found that after three/four days of hard training with my busy schedule doesn't allow as much time for recovery as my body needs. In the past, I would get mildly sick (fever, etc.) as my body shut itself down to let itself recover. Over the years I learned how to listen to my body and changed my training schedule to compensate for this.

With supping glutamine, my recovery is much faster and I don't get that effect anymore even though I have increased the intensity of my workouts. Therefore it is valuable to me because I'm not knocked out every once in a while.

 

[Robboe]

Dude, it's ok. I knew what you meant, i was just being a prick

 

[ponyboy]

I didn't want to assume anything

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by ponyboy
I always thought that glutamine was used for recovery and to boost the immune system to combat the effects of hard training on the body's systems. In terms of ergogenic effects it really doesn't do anything IMO. I take it because I don't get run down as easily after hard training. It has helped me to combat my immune system and stay working hard in the gym.

Here are the main known effects of glutamine supplementation...

-increased protein synthesis
-increased cell volume
-decreased muscle breakdown
-decreased cortisol levels
-increased immune function
-natural GH release
-increased glutathione production
-better glycogen repletion
-maintenace of function of kidneys, gall bladder, and liver (whole gut)

End of story.

 

[Mudge]

Ok, is this something to cycle like creatine or a full-time supp?

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Mudge
Ok, is this something to cycle like creatine or a full-time supp?

I use it year around...no need to cycle, although during stressful periods of any kind you may wish to increase dosage.

 

[Vale Tudo]

What does your supplementation cycle look like for your creatine? This question is for anyone...

 

[Mudge]

I just did 4 weeks on, 10g a day. I'm off right now for a week or two, not sure its really doing much for me.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Vale Tudo
What does your supplementation cycle look like for your creatine? This question is for anyone...

I take around 3-5 grams of creatine every day, and sometimes a bit higher on training days. The ony time I do not take creatine is when I take time off from lifting, e.g. a vacation.

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by gopro
-increased protein synthesis
-increased cell volume
-decreased muscle breakdown
-decreased cortisol levels
-increased immune function
-natural GH release
-increased glutathione production
-better glycogen repletion
-maintenace of function of kidneys, gall bladder, and liver (whole gut)

Out of all those, i'd much like to see the protein synthesis studies the most. I'd be interested in seeing the conditions for showing it's success.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy


Out of all those, i'd much like to see the protein synthesis studies the most. I'd be interested in seeing the conditions for showing it's success.

Its actually listed in the dictionary that way, so it must be something at least a few years old.

 

[Robboe]

Yeah, the ones showing positive protein synthesis were done in rats. I'd like to see them showing positive results in humans who aren't burn victims or marathon runners.

By the way, on a note of interest, glutamine itself doesn;t cause the cell volumisation. it's actually the sodium that is co-transported with the glutamine that does it.

 

[Robboe]

And as far as glycogen replenishment goes, glutamine does not enhance glycogen synthesis in skeletal muscle beyond what glucose polymers do alone. If you mix them, glycogen storage was shown in the following study to only occur outside of muscle, most likely in the liver:

J Appl Physiol 1999 Jun;86(6):1770-7 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut


Effect of oral glutamine on whole body carbohydrate storage during recovery from exhaustive exercise.

Bowtell JL, Gelly K, Jackman ML, Patel A, Simeoni M, Rennie MJ.

Department of Anatomy and Physiology, University of Dundee, Dundee, United Kingdom DD1 4HN. J.L.Bowtell@lboro.ac.uk

The purpose of this study was to determine the efficacy of glutamine in promoting whole body carbohydrate storage and muscle glycogen resynthesis during recovery from exhaustive exercise. Postabsorptive subjects completed a glycogen-depleting exercise protocol, then consumed 330 ml of one of three drinks, 18.5% (wt/vol) glucose polymer solution, 8 g glutamine in 330 ml glucose polymer solution, or 8 g glutamine in 330 ml placebo, and also received a primed constant infusion of [1-13C]glucose for 2 h. Plasma glutamine concentration was increased after consumption of the glutamine drinks (0.7-1.1 mM, P < 0.05). In the second hour of recovery, whole body nonoxidative glucose disposal was increased by 25% after consumption of glutamine in addition to the glucose polymer (4.48 +/- 0.61 vs. 3.59 +/- 0.18 mmol/kg, P < 0.05). Oral glutamine alone promoted storage of muscle glycogen to an extent similar to oral glucose polymer. Ingestion of glutamine and glucose polymer together promoted the storage of carbohydrate outside of skeletal muscle, the most feasible site being the liver.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Controlled Clinical Trial

PMID: 10368336 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[gopro]

By the way...glutamine has NO positive effects in Chickens...thought youd all like to know...