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Glutamine
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gopro, I just received my Sports One glut. peptides you recommeded a few weeks back. The container warns against exceeding 20 grams or so. Is this the normal CYA from the manufacturer. I was planning on at least 20-25 grams daily.
I don't see where the argument is. Chicken_Daddy is simply trying to point out that perhaps its not as critical a supplement as the hype makes it out to be, and that maybe most people could save themselves quite a bit of money by worrying about diet and training, instead of hoping for a magic pill.
I definitely agree...training and diet are the 2 most important factors, and if these are not in proper order than no powder or pill will make up the difference (aside from steroids, etc).
But, as to the argument...I DEFINITELY feel that this is one of the top 3 most important supplements to take and that while it is not "critical" it will certainly aid results like few other supplements can. It is not hype...it works, and it works well. End of story.
I never said it was just hype. I said it was overrated, and it is.
What annoys me most on forums is when someone asks advice about supplements to use and they get it straight away without any queries of lifting status or experience. More often than not, if someone is questioning a supplement it's cause they know little about it and most likely know little about proper training and diet.
hey, i've found several studies showing that glutamine can actually inhibit lypolysis. Quite interesting actually.
Also, it can inhibit ketone production, so anyone who has tried keto dieting but never quite suceeded and never knew that it may be due to glutamine supplementation may have an answer.
Also, it can inhibit ketone production, so anyone who has tried keto dieting but never quite suceeded and never knew that it may be due to glutamine supplementation may have an answer.
Just for the record, I'm done arguing about glutamine. Here's MY final words (until I'm forced to repeat them in the next thread regarding glutamine)...
Wait, first lets get out of the way that you should be training and eating properly before bothering with any supplements...ok, now..
-it works great
-wouldn't be without it
-on my top 3 must use supp list
-will use 25-50 g per day forever
-prefer peptides over L version
-not hype
-will continue to recommend it to anyone that asks
NOTE: Will no longer respond to TCD regarding glutamine or incline presses
Wait, first lets get out of the way that you should be training and eating properly before bothering with any supplements...ok, now..
-it works great
-wouldn't be without it
-on my top 3 must use supp list
-will use 25-50 g per day forever
-prefer peptides over L version
-not hype
-will continue to recommend it to anyone that asks
NOTE: Will no longer respond to TCD regarding glutamine or incline presses
Ah.....Well.....OK.....Glad I asked the question.
I can no longer respond to anything you say about the G word, however, there is NOTHING funny about saying "must use supplement list." Would it be better for you if I reworded to "best supplements available list?" Does this better meet with your standards?
Hey GP, here's an honest question.
What's the difference between enzymatically hydrolyzed wheat gluten as found in GP2 and vital wheat gluten like the stuff my wife puts in her bread mix? Both look identical, but the latter is much cheaper.
What's the difference between enzymatically hydrolyzed wheat gluten as found in GP2 and vital wheat gluten like the stuff my wife puts in her bread mix? Both look identical, but the latter is much cheaper.
The wheat gluten in GP2 is "enzymatically hydrolyzed" to yield its glutamine peptide content. In a sense, the glutamine is coming from the wheat gluten...you are not eating wheat gluten like with the bread mix.
Its sorta like the difference between eating eggs and drinking protein powder made from eggs.
That's not exactly what I wanted to hear. I thought I had found a less expensive source. The vital wheat gluten is chocked full of protein though.
abyssman69
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I have used Glut. for a few months now and everything has changed for the better....5gms before and after workout has brought great results..recovery time has speeded up and i seem to be growing ,but i am taking other products as well.
Training God
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*** Why do you prefer peptides over the L brand?
Peptides aren't better.
Training God
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Safety of glutamine-enriched parenteral nutrient solutions in humans
DK Lowe, K Benfell, RJ Smith, DO Jacobs, B Murawski, TR Ziegler and DW Wilmore
Department of Surgery, Harvard Medical School, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, MA 02115.
To determine the safety of glutamine-enriched parenteral nutrition, seven normal volunteers were admitted to the Clinical Research Center for three 5-d study periods. The subjects received infusions of parenteral nutrients containing increasing doses of glutamine (0, 0.285, and 0.570 g.kg body wt-1.d-1) substituted for alanine and glycine. Each study period was preceded by greater than or equal to 2 wk of normal food intake. The diets were isocaloric (1.2X estimated basal metabolic rate) and isonitrogenous (1.5 g protein.kg-1.d-1) with nonprotein calories given as dextrose (38%) and fat emulsion (62%). The diets were all well tolerated and there were no untoward effects. Plasma glutamine concentrations increased significantly with glutamine administration but plateaued at concentrations approximately 25% above control values. Ammonia and glutamate, potentially toxic metabolites of glutamine, did not change significantly with glutamine enrichment. Nitrogen balance and hormonal concentrations were unchanged during the three dietary periods. Results of mental-status examinations and continuous performance testing were normal and unchanged throughout the three periods. Glutamine-enriched parenteral nutrient solutions are well tolerated with no associated signs of toxicity in normal humans.
DK Lowe, K Benfell, RJ Smith, DO Jacobs, B Murawski, TR Ziegler and DW Wilmore
Department of Surgery, Harvard Medical School, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, MA 02115.
To determine the safety of glutamine-enriched parenteral nutrition, seven normal volunteers were admitted to the Clinical Research Center for three 5-d study periods. The subjects received infusions of parenteral nutrients containing increasing doses of glutamine (0, 0.285, and 0.570 g.kg body wt-1.d-1) substituted for alanine and glycine. Each study period was preceded by greater than or equal to 2 wk of normal food intake. The diets were isocaloric (1.2X estimated basal metabolic rate) and isonitrogenous (1.5 g protein.kg-1.d-1) with nonprotein calories given as dextrose (38%) and fat emulsion (62%). The diets were all well tolerated and there were no untoward effects. Plasma glutamine concentrations increased significantly with glutamine administration but plateaued at concentrations approximately 25% above control values. Ammonia and glutamate, potentially toxic metabolites of glutamine, did not change significantly with glutamine enrichment. Nitrogen balance and hormonal concentrations were unchanged during the three dietary periods. Results of mental-status examinations and continuous performance testing were normal and unchanged throughout the three periods. Glutamine-enriched parenteral nutrient solutions are well tolerated with no associated signs of toxicity in normal humans.
I started using it and saw good results. But, I was taking 30 g a day, which is double on the box.
I already know there are those of you that think this supp is a waste, however since products affect everyone differently, I wanted to try for myself and see if there truly are any benefits.
I bought the HDT L-Glutamine 500 (Guess I should have read these glut discussions sooner)
.Anyway, from reading all the "discussions" on the Glut, I haven't found anything conclusive on taking this solo or with something else. Should I take my L-Glutamine on an empty stomach upon rising ??
Also would I benefit more from taking some before or after a workout, or before bedtime. I noticed GoPro you said L-Glut cannot be taken in a protein shake. Can you elaborate on this please. Since I drink a protein shake at both times (after workout and bedtime) would there be a detrimental effect to putting the powder in with the shake???
Since this is an expensive product, and again supplements affect everyone differently, I thought I would try for myself and see the results, but I wanted to get some good advice on taking it and when it would be the most effective.
Thanks in advance to all that reply.
Originally posted by twarrior
I already know there are those of you that think this supp is a waste, however since products affect everyone differently, I wanted to try for myself and see if there truly are any benefits.
I bought the HDT L-Glutamine 500 (Guess I should have read these glut discussions sooner)
Anyway, from reading all the "discussions" on the Glut, I haven't found anything conclusive on taking this solo or with something else. Should I take my L-Glutamine on an empty stomach upon rising ??
Also would I benefit more from taking some before or after a workout, or before bedtime. I noticed GoPro you said L-Glut cannot be taken in a protein shake. Can you elaborate on this please. Since I drink a protein shake at both times (after workout and bedtime) would there be a detrimental effect to putting the powder in with the shake???
Since this is an expensive product, and again supplements affect everyone differently, I thought I would try for myself and see the results, but I wanted to get some good advice on taking it and when it would be the most effective.
Thanks in advance to all that reply.
L form glutamine will not be properly absorbed when taken with other protein sources. PEPTIDE BONDED glutamine can be taken with protein and be fully absorbed.
If you have the L form, than take it about 30 minutes before you have a shake or meal. BEST times to take it are an hour before training, immediately after training, and before bed.
to put it the way my dad would say it......................................take it and shut up...............j/k.llol i have had great results with GLUT. supps work for some other it dont. BUT. when i went off Glut, for 1 mth, i felt run down after my work outs. just my opinion.
I've been taking Glutamine, 10/g per day and post workout recovery is fantastic......no DOMS. and the arthritis in my hands has gone away! An unexpected side-effect/benefit.
Good stuff.... take that and Creatine. Lift more & run faster!
Kahuna Bob.
Good stuff.... take that and Creatine. Lift more & run faster!
Kahuna Bob.
