Got my M1T

[Calmdwn]

Originally posted by Var
Sounds like a good plan. Keep researching and get on the stuff once you sure you have your ducks in a row. Like I said before, if we get blunt about this, its because its a serious issue. Also, its rare to see a M1T question that hasnt been asked a thousand times and can be found by doing a search on this forum. BTW...if u decide to try S1+ first as Prince recommended, you wont be disappointed. Assuming your diet and training is in order, you'll make impressive gains with that stuff.

I totally understand any bluntness im getting re: this post. To be honest if our positions were switched, i doubt i would have the patience everyone here has had.

I certainly have a lot more research to do. But i appreciate all the info that has been given in this post. If anyone has any links to sires with info about this, besides posts, i would appreciate them. But for now ill continue to search for old posts.

 

[Var]

 

[BruceWayNE]

I also just started my m1t cycle three days ago at 10mg per day. This is not my first cycle of ph/ps, but it is my first 1-test. My first cycle I had no pct and no problem. This time around and thanks to this board after cyle i'll start a pct cycle. So far I have NO side affects, not even lethargy. Does it take a while to kick in or am I just in the clear and my body responds well? By the way I can't pm everybody so I just wanted to say thanx to all y'all for the good info and quick responses. I thought I had read everything about supplementation and bodybuilding, but a week here and I've doubled my knowlledge. One!

 

[Eggs]

Hey Bruce! Glad everything is working out for you. Looking forward to hearing your updates on how that M1T worked out for you

As to side effects, your body could just be responding well to it and they wont be a problem for you at such low doses. Some people have reported mild side effects from the start, and others dont kick in until the 2nd or 3rd week (depending on cycle length). Anyhow, at such a low dosage hopefully that wont be the case for you Take care!

 

[BruceWayNE]

Thanx Eggs. Will do on the update.

 

[billyzane1]

How about 5mg, once a day for two weeks on and 3 weeks off with PCT?? Then you could ease yourself into it and see if it is for you.

True -you wont get swole, but you will see something without total toxicity or shutdown. Do that with good hard training and diet.


I was told that is a good idea by those who manufacture it. I was also told that you really do not need Nolvadex, and that 6oxo is fine. I am not sure if I am buying into that after all I am reading.

I just dont want my damn hair to fall out. ANYTHING BUT THAT

 

[camarosuper6]

For a first cycle, I agree that M1-t wouldnt be the best bet, but since you bought it start low, 10 mg a day would be ok. Try it for 2 weeks and see how you react, and have some 6-oxo or Nolva on hand just in case (although 10mg shouldnt give you any real problems)

My first cycle of M1-t (not my first cycle, just my first m1-t cycle), is 2 weeks on (20mg daily) one week off, 2 on (20mg day). Then I will take probably 2 months off because this stuff is powerful, but not so much because of sides, but because I like having a healthy liver, and am taking minimal chances.

Good luck.

 

[billyzane1]

one more thought

So the liver will heal itself and get back to normal? Does it get back to normal without Milk thistle, etc.?

Do the testes get back to normal too, even without nolva, 6oxo, etc.?

Seemingly dumb questions, just curious.


ALSO, when can you resume drinking in moderation and in accordance with good training practices?

 

[camarosuper6]

The liver and certain body organs ( I dont specifically know which ones) have the ability to regenerate themselves. The liver doesnt NEED milk thistle or any helpers, but they do help and keeping your liver as healthy as possible is of great importance to anyone I would imagine!

Just think of 6-oxo , milk thistle and nolva as recovery agents, there to assist and provide support. They speed recovery and greatly assist in the overall condition of their cause.

 

[brodus]

So if someone is fully educated/researched, understands their body, has been training for some time, eats right/sleeps right, AND has PCT on hand, what's the harm in using a 2-week, low dose (5-10mg ED) M1T cycle as a first PS/PH cycle?

I ask b/c there are many benfits that M1T has over other PH/PS that have been recommended to newbies, and the two biggest (from my perspective) are it can be used when cutting and it can have less sides on hair then others. This is from what I've read on this board. If I'm wrong, correct me, but I went to 1fast400 and read all of their reviews, too, and to me it looks like S1+ is going to add a lot of mass, but make you soft, too, whereas M1T users report LBM gains and strength increase even in calorie deficit conditions.

Furthermore, you have time/cost considerations. A similar cycle of something like 19-nordiol would have to be run for three times as long (6 weeks+) and PCT would be much more expensive.

I understand the apprehension in recommending any methylated steroid to someone who has never done a PH/gear cycle. But an educated, intelligent, experienced athlete who is prepared seems like as good a candidate for an M1T cycle as any, regardless of how much juice they've used in the past.

 

[SJ69]

I agree, it's not like having previous ph experience will somehow magically make m-1-t any safer. It is what it is.

 

[brodus]

That's what I'm getting at. I've never done a PH for a variety of reasons, but I've trained for years, and I know my body inside and out, and I think I have a very good grasp of drug pharmacology. I would consider myslef prepared for a PH cycle, and I don't see why i would have to choose a costly, water-gaining PH like S1+ just becuase...well because people say I should. I compete in triathlons, among other things, and don't want any extra weight gain.

But I totally understand the apprehension in recommending M1T to somone who's first post on the board is "Should I be taking 20 or 30mg of M1T? This is my first cycle." Or "Should be drinking while taking M1T?" That one was my favorite!

Obviously this is a very strong steroid and people who ask those kind of question are probably not prepared, mentally or physically, to be taking M1T. I think the low price confuses some into thinking it's not real juice.

I'm still very interested in Methyl-Dien, and may sit on the M1T I bought until after M-Dien reports start coming out.

BTW---1fast400 shipped to me in Chicago (from Cali) in TWO DAYS!

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by brodus
I think the low price confuses some into thinking it's not real juice.

People do not realize how cheap the raw materials are for many drugs.

I asked Mike how he could sell M1T for only $9.99 and he said we should be asking the other companies why they are charging so much when the bottle costs more than the product.

 

[brodus]

People do not realize how cheap the raw materials are for many drugs.

Hah...yeah, I think the supp. companies have people convinced that they operate like Pharmacia Upjohn, and their products must costs lots of $ to develop and test. I mean, people pay 4-8 times what Mike charges for M1T!

I am aware that the raw materials for many, many supps are super cheap. Processing in a sterile environment isn't cheap, but at volume it becomes cheap. My bro is studying organic chemistry...maybe someday we can make our own supps!

Have a good one.

 

[criticalmass_12]

Well think of it like this, first of all, why do hockey helmets cost 100+ dollars? what are they made out of? plastic, the cost of a hockey helmet to produce is less than 5 dollars, (actually significantly less, but thats not the point) the point is, the cost is also associated with liability. I would think EVEN with the labeling, the drug companies also cover their overhead and liability costs. Just like a hockey helmet, oops guys gets checked, helmet somehow cracks...15 million dollar law suit....its covered. etc. This is a simple, very simple example, of course it goes more indepth than this, but easy enough to understand. I am sure as some of the Ephedra companies got sued because of the deaths caused (even though they were caused BECAUSE of improper use, running to many mg's (improper dosing) or not drinking water, running with 10 sweatshirts on during 100 degree weather, whatever other idiotic tendencies people have) but yes, they get sued anyways. So thats my 2 cents.

CM

 

[X Ring]

yes I have read, but is 4ad alone ok for a cycle. It isnt exactly my first real PH cycle. I did take Z-mass a few years back and took animal stak. yesI have read and even passed on to my friend the PH FAQ thread.