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Greatest Bodybuilder Ever
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Arny of course.
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It's definately got to be Dorian Yates. His back was huge!!
Arnold might not have been the best bodybuilder ever, but to me, he is the reason why I bodybuild and for that I thank him and vote for him.
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You are kidding right? Steve Reeves did do steroids, arnold has even commented on it and how his american idols influenced him, he loved reg park and steve reeves. Just because these guys looked nothing like arnold and never achieved great proportions do not play into the mystification that steroids equates to looking like arnold. I just found out that a guy i went to high school with had taken steroids, he was the last guy you would have thought would be taking them, meanwhile you have guys who are natural and look like they take steroids. Anyway I vote for Arnold on the fact that the steroids he and his peers took during the golden years of bodybuilding, late 60's to mid 70's, were not nearly as much, as calculated or as influential as they were in the late 70's and really beginning in the 80's. From what i've been told by avid bodybuilders today is that arnold was taking d-bol's, which are well-known, cheap, and one of the worst forms of steroids. Arnold relied more heavily on his style of training and eating like a man at the last supper. What is even more scary to me is that the majority if pictures that we see of arnold are dominated by his famous 1975 mr olympia in pretoria south africa, a year after he decided to retire. When he was approached by the directors of pumping iron he had already been out of the game for a while, wasn't training or eating nearly as much. I've seen only a few pictures of arnold in his prime from 70-73, and he was a lot bigger, more proportioned as far as his legs are concerned, and just more of a freaking monster. The measurements we always read about are from 1975, and i'd estimatehe was about 85% to his previous best. I've read that his arms in his prime were a bit over 23" and closer to a 60" chest up closer to around 255-260. He most certainly was not as striated or "cut" as modern day bodybuildes, but the fat intake of the men of his day was a lot higher. They invented bodybuilding in its present form, he has achieved more than any bodybuilder would ever. What is even scarier is that earlier i wrote that arnold decided in 73-74 that he did all he wanted to do with bodybuilding winning the most world titles and wanted to become a prominent actor, winning more in bodybuilding at least was not his main goal, he was a multi-dimensional person. If Arnold kept his prime in 73 and continued it to 80 where he won his 7th Olympia, he would have had 11 Mr. Olympias because no one could have challenged him. Hahaha, before you laugh me off remember ronnie is what? 40? Arnold was 33 in 1980 when he won...now as i said if he went straight through he would have won 11 times as mr olympia..if he continued to his 40th birthday on top of his game as ronnie did, plus dont forget science was being revolutionized through gov't subsidies in America during Reagan...as why we see a shift in the look if mid 1980 bodybuilders...arnold would have won 18 MR OLYMPIAS BY THE AGE OF 40 IN 1987 ! ! ! now you can say this is all speculation and he may not have won all 18 but he sure would have come close to double digits if not more. Point being, stop comparing 1975 arnold to anyone...do research...find the arnold of the early 1970s and then after you sh*t your pants, clean it up, throw it out, and realize the amazing undiscovered arnold we never see!
PS If you see in the beginning of pumping iron when arnold is approached in his off season by the pumping iron director's in early 1973, his chest is freaking enourmous he is much bigger than he was in 1975, that is amazing. It maybe in the special features, but look for it just to get a glimpse of what i've been saying!!!
TYG
PS If you see in the beginning of pumping iron when arnold is approached in his off season by the pumping iron director's in early 1973, his chest is freaking enourmous he is much bigger than he was in 1975, that is amazing. It maybe in the special features, but look for it just to get a glimpse of what i've been saying!!!
TYG
At his biggest he got up to around 250.
And he did take more than just dbol, although those were the main drugs. Primo and test were also huge back then.
I agree with you, bro, i think Arnold has the best physique ever. EVen though his legs are smaller than today's monsters, Arnold just has this aesthetic look to him, with his tiny waist-upper body ratio. The GH guy monsters today have bloated stomachs, and their legs (although i do love them....ie Platz) almost overshadow their upper bodies.
IMO if Arnold had the drugs back then that they do today, there's no telling what kinda freakin MONSTER he'd have become.
There are 2 physiques though that i think are right there with Arnold's. Flex Wheelers of '97-98 (before he got big), and of course, the incredible Ronnie Coleman of today.
And he did take more than just dbol, although those were the main drugs. Primo and test were also huge back then.
I agree with you, bro, i think Arnold has the best physique ever. EVen though his legs are smaller than today's monsters, Arnold just has this aesthetic look to him, with his tiny waist-upper body ratio. The GH guy monsters today have bloated stomachs, and their legs (although i do love them....ie Platz) almost overshadow their upper bodies.
IMO if Arnold had the drugs back then that they do today, there's no telling what kinda freakin MONSTER he'd have become.
There are 2 physiques though that i think are right there with Arnold's. Flex Wheelers of '97-98 (before he got big), and of course, the incredible Ronnie Coleman of today.
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Unless you can back that statement up, it is fucking bullshit. Steve Reeves was a natural bodybuilder...Some of his last writings were for the all natural muscular development mag and if you read anything he ever wrote you would understand his dislike for steroids and users...WTF you gonna say next Jack Lelanne ate dbol by the handfull??tenxyearsxgone said:
...if it matters to anyone these are my fav 3 bodybuilders in no particular order:
1. Steve Reeves
2. Arnold Schwarzenegger
3. Dorian Yates
haha so steve reeves was given money to write in a column for a mag so that must mean he his lived his life in the past according to their ideals? get a clue buddy. arnold dislikes steroids and had pushed to get drug testing in the competitions, they were unaware of the gross side affects that would take place and only be found years later.
Anyway, flex, if arnold had the amount of science and precision on lifting, diet, supplementation back then as we do today who knows the endless possibilities?
Anyway, flex, if arnold had the amount of science and precision on lifting, diet, supplementation back then as we do today who knows the endless possibilities?
madden player said:
bro, Ronnie Coleman "writes" for muscle magazines. you think he actually prescribes to the wo regime and diet they talk about? i don't think so....
tenxyearsxgone said:
disliked steroids? def. not true back then. Maybe now that he's on the "legal" side of society he pushes the anti-steroid thing.
as to your 2nd part, i think Arnold would be the biggest mofo ever.
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooa!
I chose Arnold cuz he's my fav. of all time, but where's Ronnie on the list? Ronnie is THE greatest BB ever.......
I chose Arnold cuz he's my fav. of all time, but where's Ronnie on the list? Ronnie is THE greatest BB ever.......
Steroids were before Steve Reeves time...any fucking moron who doesn't believe can go fuck themselves...What kinda moron can say Ron Coleman and Steve Reeves in the same fucking sentence??....
Steve Reeves never competed with the aid of steroids!!!...
Find me the fucking statement to back your bullshit up!! I don't give a fuck what any competing bodybuilder does with his life and what the fuck he writes about in muscle mags, but any person with a fucking brain will tell you Steve Reeves was no juice monkey.
Learn some bodybuilding history.
Steve Reeves never competed with the aid of steroids!!!...
Find me the fucking statement to back your bullshit up!! I don't give a fuck what any competing bodybuilder does with his life and what the fuck he writes about in muscle mags, but any person with a fucking brain will tell you Steve Reeves was no juice monkey.
Learn some bodybuilding history.
first of all, relax, tough guy. Resorting to petty insults only shows me, and everyone else, the lack of your knowledge, and this is only your 2nd post i've ever read.
secondly, i DON"T GIVE A FUCK wether Steve Reeves took steroids. The reason i brought up Ronnie is because you said Steve Reeves wrote for a nat'l magazine, and i said so does Ronnie Coleman. Therefore, because they write for those magazines doesnt mean they never took steroids.
You're talking to the WROOOOOOOOng person about BB history, too man. I've read more about BB's history than you will in your lifetime.
You wanna talk history, though?
Guys like Charles Atlas, Bill Pearl, Reg Park, John Grimek and others alike had just as much influence back in the day IMO as Reeves. To me, in the context of the entire BB history, when you bring in Arnold's Golden Era, the great '80's, and the present day monsters, Steve Reeves isn't shit.
"find you a fucking statement to back up my bullshit?"
i hope you ain't talking to me like that, little man. Again, i DON'T GIVE A FUCK if he juiced or not. I was simply disproving your dumbass logic that b/c he wrote for that mag he never juiced.
and finally.......
You say you "don't give a fuck what any competing bodybuilder does with his life and what the fuck he writes about in muscle mags, but any person with a fucking brain will tell you Steve Reeves was no juice monkey"?
That's funny, the way your getting all defensive about him makes one believe you care whether or not people thinks he juiced. It sounds like you're fucking the guy.
secondly, i DON"T GIVE A FUCK wether Steve Reeves took steroids. The reason i brought up Ronnie is because you said Steve Reeves wrote for a nat'l magazine, and i said so does Ronnie Coleman. Therefore, because they write for those magazines doesnt mean they never took steroids.
You're talking to the WROOOOOOOOng person about BB history, too man. I've read more about BB's history than you will in your lifetime.
You wanna talk history, though?
Guys like Charles Atlas, Bill Pearl, Reg Park, John Grimek and others alike had just as much influence back in the day IMO as Reeves. To me, in the context of the entire BB history, when you bring in Arnold's Golden Era, the great '80's, and the present day monsters, Steve Reeves isn't shit.
"find you a fucking statement to back up my bullshit?"
i hope you ain't talking to me like that, little man. Again, i DON'T GIVE A FUCK if he juiced or not. I was simply disproving your dumbass logic that b/c he wrote for that mag he never juiced.
and finally.......
You say you "don't give a fuck what any competing bodybuilder does with his life and what the fuck he writes about in muscle mags, but any person with a fucking brain will tell you Steve Reeves was no juice monkey"?
That's funny, the way your getting all defensive about him makes one believe you care whether or not people thinks he juiced. It sounds like you're fucking the guy.
Steve Reeves isn't shit???...You are one dumb motherfucker. Take away all the drugs today's bodybuilders use to bloat and transform their physiques and they could not stand next to Steve Reeves in his prime!!! You don't know shit about bodybuilding history and neither does your boyfriend tenyearsgone.Flex said:
Ohh yeah, I was talking to you!!..whatcha ya gonna do about it??...LOL..internet thug?? Dumbass logic??...Reeves could not of used steroids to compete because they did not exist.
Reeves has been a idol of mine for close to a decade and it is really easy for some ignorant red neck to get on here after he is dead and gone and say he used steroids...."Steve Reeves isn't shit"...you are one sorry dumbass motherfucker now aren't you??
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If the criteria is winning record then the award goes to none other than John Carl Grimek! The man NEVER lost a contest. In fact he is the primary reason that the AAU decided that someone could not win the Mr. America more than once (back when it was THE contest).
John was an imcomparable bodybuilder in that he not only had an incredible drug-free physique, he was also a champion Olympic lifter. His strength was amazing! He was Ronnie Coleman before Coleman's parents ever met!
John was an imcomparable bodybuilder in that he not only had an incredible drug-free physique, he was also a champion Olympic lifter. His strength was amazing! He was Ronnie Coleman before Coleman's parents ever met!
a lot or immature people on this board....people experimented with steroids even as far back as reeves's day, he wasn't a juice monkey they weren't injecting steroids then...pills...anyway he was small, even for natural standards, you can find natural guys bigger then him in every gym in the world.
arnold all the way baby
arnold all the way baby
madden player said:
Well, first of all, you're from Canada, so now everything is coming together
Secondly, you still don't understand my point. You said b/c he wrote for a natty mag. he couldn't have used steroids. Good logic, let me tell ya.
Take away all the drugs today of BB's and they couldn't stand next to Reeves?????????? Are you even trying to be serious. Take a look at the guys who win the natural competitions nowadays and they SHIT on your boy. Damn, there's 5 guys off the top of my head AT MY GYM ALONE that are natural and have a better physique.
My bf tenyearsgone? i don't even know the guy. i was just agreeing with his disagreement towards you.
Your petty insults only prove that you're ignorant and immature. But ouch, when you swear, it hurts me.
Robert DiMaggio said:I believe that Steve Reeves did not use steroids, he was not very big.
Thanks Mr. D. Hey Madden, take a look at Rob's pics. He's all natural, and WAY past Steve Reeves in overall physique.
Because its ^ idol, that must be why he gets all defensive.
The Canadian thing I don't get??...Flex said:Well, first of all, you're from Canada, so now everything is coming together
Secondly, you still don't understand my point. You said b/c he wrote for a natty mag. he couldn't have used steroids. Good logic, let me tell ya...
My point was never that if someone wrote for a natural mag, it most mean that they are natural. My point was that if you had ever read any of
Steve Reeves bodybuilding articles you would know that he HATED steroids and what they were doing to a sport that he was one of the greatest ever.
If you were such an expert on bodybuilding history you would know that steroids were not part of the bodybuilding sub-culture when Steve Reeves was a competitive bodybuilder (Mr. America 1947??)...
As far as people being bigger than Steve Reeves, I can't argue there, but not too many if anyone else ever put together such a complete flawless physique. Anyway you look at him he was perfect...symmetry and proportions.
I don't want to take anything away from Mr. DiMaggio, I think he is in awesome shape, but you used him as an example and I don't think he would agree with you (I don't agree) about him being WAY past Revees in overall shape..(Reeves was not on M1-t either..do you think M1-t is a supplement of steroid??).
As far as being defensive, I don't like it when someone says that Revees did steroids because Arnold said so...all I want is for that person to back there statement up..simple huh??
madden player said:The Canadian thing I don't get??...
My point was never that if someone wrote for a natural mag, it most mean that they are natural. My point was that if you had ever read any of
Steve Reeves bodybuilding articles you would know that he HATED steroids and what they were doing to a sport that he was one of the greatest ever.
If you were such an expert on bodybuilding history you would know that steroids were not part of the bodybuilding sub-culture when Steve Reeves was a competitive bodybuilder (Mr. America 1947??)...
As far as people being bigger than Steve Reeves, I can't argue there, but not too many if anyone else ever put together such a complete flawless physique. Anyway you look at him he was perfect...symmetry and proportions.
I don't want to take anything away from Mr. DiMaggio, I think he is in awesome shape, but you used him as an example and I don't think he would agree with you (I don't agree) about him being WAY past Revees in overall shape..(Reeves was not on M1-t either..do you think M1-t is a supplement of steroid??).
As far as being defensive, I don't like it when someone says that Revees did steroids because Arnold said so...all I want is for that person to back there statement up..simple huh??
OH MY GOD. let me capitalize so perhaps you can understand once and for all...
For the last time, I NEVER SAID HE DID STEROIDS. I DON"T CARE WHETHER HE TOOK STEROIDS OR NOT!
What i disagree with:
1. you said (IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST) "b/c he wrote for a natty mag., he didn't do steroids." I DISAGREED WITH THAT.
Ronnie Coleman says he doesn't take steroids. Do you believe him too? That's all i was saying. Then you start cussing and getting all defensive.
2. "Flawless physique"?
That's an ideosynchrasy.
3. "Take away all the drugs today's bodybuilders use to bloat and transform their physiques and they could not stand next to Steve Reeves in his prime!!!"
You said if you take all the drugs away they couldn't touch Reeves. I was using Robert as ONE example. He's got a great natural physique, and he's ONE BB in this world. You still think NO ONE else in the world can touch him....when i showed you the first person to pop into my head?
4. FOR THE LAST TIME: I NEVER SAID HE TOOK STEROIDS.
p.s. The Canadian thing was nothin' personal. My buddies always make fun of you guys for being dumb (i'm party french myself)
and flawless physique?????????
Come on bro. First of all, there's no such thing. The best physique ever IMO is Flex Wheeler of '98. Check out some pics. Not only are his proportions great, he is ripped to shreds, his muscle bellies are round and full, he has a tiny, ripped waist, and he is HUGE. The reason he lost is due to two words, "Ronnie Coleman". Put Flex and Reeves next to eachother and its not even a comparison.
"Perfect physique" That just tells me your extent of BB knowledge. Sure he was proportionate, but damn, BB's need SOME size, too.
Come on bro. First of all, there's no such thing. The best physique ever IMO is Flex Wheeler of '98. Check out some pics. Not only are his proportions great, he is ripped to shreds, his muscle bellies are round and full, he has a tiny, ripped waist, and he is HUGE. The reason he lost is due to two words, "Ronnie Coleman". Put Flex and Reeves next to eachother and its not even a comparison.
"Perfect physique" That just tells me your extent of BB knowledge. Sure he was proportionate, but damn, BB's need SOME size, too.
Robert DiMaggio said:wow, thanks!
Steve Reeves had a great physique no doubt about it.
welcome
perhaps you, Mr. D, understand where i'm getting at.....
This guy is hellbent on Steve Reeves, ok fine.
But He said: cuz he wrote in a natty mag, he didnt take steroids.
he would blow away natty bb's of today (which i used you)
