Guidance on blast and cruise plans

[trapzilla]

well I guess I should explain first;
I have every intention of becoming pro one day, I am aware of the health risks of blasting and cruising and will get bloods done 6 weeks into each cruise phase, I am prepared to be a slave to the needle and be on trt or Hrt if it is a result. I also do not wish to have kids, i just don't.

my proposed blast cruise is as follows
12-16 weeks blast 12 weeks cruise and so on.

blast 1
weeks 1-4 drol 50,50,100,150mg ed
weeks 1-16 test cyp 600mgs ew
weeks 4-16 deca 400mgs ew
week 17 test cyp 400mg
week 18 test cyp 300mg
week 19 test cyp 200mg

cruise
weeks 1-12 test undeclyonate 250mgs every 2 weeks

blast 2
1-6 dbol 50mg ed
1-12 test e 750/1000mg ew
1-12 tren e 400mg ew
13 test e 750/600mg
14 test e 500/400mg
15 test e 250/200mg

cruise


now If i need to come off i have a thorough pct laid out which i can share if wanted. the taper is there to ease the transition from blast-cruise and use the undeclyonate to reduce pinning and allow sites to recover

i have done 3 cycles in total 2 oral only one with test only
i am 20 and 237lbs 5 foot 10 at about 18%bf
started first cyle at 17 at 187 lbs

any advice is appreciated

many thanks

 

[SUPERFLY1234]

dam bro, your too young. hold off on a cycle till your at least 24. man right now you are only 20 things change and so does you mind. with that said. if you are planning to start you need to bring down your bf% to 15%. also you also need to have ai in your cycle. up your test to 750-800mgs. and there is no point in tapering at the end. i personally do not like blast and cruise. so i have no opinion on the subject.

 

[trapzilla]

I have already run a couple of cycles i'm afraid. and I know the concerns for age such as growth plates, infertility, balding, cancers, prostate issues, TRT etc. And I am prepared to take the risk for the goal.

thanks for the advice, i was planning to cut down anyway prior to starting.

i will have nolva and caber on hand if gyno flares up which on my test cycle it didn't so onlyreally concerned with the deca and tren, and i will be running a dex at .5 mgs ed on blast and probably lower on the cruise phase.

 

[heavyiron]

No need to taper at the end, The attached esters are self tapering.

Cruise dose is way too low. Keep in mind heavy esters are part of the steroid weight which means you are not getting anywhere near the 250mg of free steroid you think you are. I also think the cruise duration is a bit long.

 

[trapzilla]

Thanks heavy iron, so would that mean shoter ester such as prop run at high does would need a taper?

and if my calculations are correct about 60% of the test undecanoate is testosteroen per mole, which would provide an amount of 150mg per week during the cruise range which is higher than normal levels.

But if you suggest either switching to a higher dose or a shorter ester then I shall do so. which would you feel would be more suitable the same dose but of enth or a higher dose say 400mg of the undecanoate?

I will look into reducing the cruise to 8 weeks

 

[Dolfan84]

Damn man 150 mg of drol ED? That's a lot. I'm guessing this won't be the first time you have ran it that high. The sides would kill me at that dose.

 

[trapzilla]

No it's not the first time, i ran a couple of oral only cycles a few years ago and played around with dosages. if i'm honest i only do the two 50 mg weeks to get the body rolling so that there isn't too much of a shock to the liver.

I don't get any sides of drol except a bit of bloat, the only concern at the higher dosages is liver issues which have hit me with the 150 dosage, e.g. tiredness, intolerance to fatty food etc, so i bump liver support up to 8 liv 52 ed and about 1000mgs milk thistle

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

looks good but tapering is a waste of time and gear

 

[RoidRage9]

Well people are actually giving you advice here and not bashing you like they did in my thread about the same thing. Im 23 year old and am thing of doing the same thing. My advice though is to get some HCG and keep running 250-500 iu twice a week in case you ever decide you need to come off. Make sure to get regular blood work done also. Be careful and remember that this is a commitment that you will have to deal with for the rest of your life. Good luck bro

 

[Himik]

Well people are actually giving you advice here and not bashing you like they did in my thread about the same thing. Im 23 year old and am thing of doing the same thing. My advice though is to get some HCG and keep running 250-500 iu twice a week in case you ever decide you need to come off. Make sure to get regular blood work done also. Be careful and remember that this is a commitment that you will have to deal with for the rest of your life. Good luck bro

People weren't bashing you, they just advised against cruising at your age.

 

[heavyiron]

cruise
weeks 1-12 test undeclyonate 250mgs every 2 weeks

Thanks heavy iron, so would that mean shoter ester such as prop run at high does would need a taper?

and if my calculations are correct about 60% of the test undecanoate is testosteroen per mole, which would provide an amount of 150mg per week during the cruise range which is higher than normal levels.

But if you suggest either switching to a higher dose or a shorter ester then I shall do so. which would you feel would be more suitable the same dose but of enth or a higher dose say 400mg of the undecanoate?

I will look into reducing the cruise to 8 weeks

I think tapering at over a gram weekly makes sense with short esters.

Your calculations are incorrect =) see your first post above.

I like using Cyp or Enanthate on cruises. Maybe 300mg weekly. You will hold all your mass and there is no health risk at that dose as long as you use an AI.

 

[trapzilla]

. My advice though is to get some HCG and keep running 250-500 iu twice a week in case you ever decide you need to come off. Make sure to get regular blood work done also. Be careful and remember that this is a commitment that you will have to deal with for the rest of your life. Good luck bro

hey roid rage thanks a bunch bro. i was planning on after each blast phase assesing health etc so i can come off at the end of a cruise as opposed to a bulk to make transition easier, i would use a HCG protocol similar to what you suggest and then a HMG shock prior to a full pct.

LOL alpha i'll save the gear for a better purpose then.

Thanks for clearing that up heavy iron on the taper, but i thought Undecanoate had a 14ish day half life so pinning every 2 weeks would still keep me pretty much in the right hormone level?
I do however see your point and using cyp or enth would save me a bomb as one vial of undecanoate is nearly double that of cyp or enth!

 

[heavyiron]

Test undeclyonate 250mgs every 2 weeks equals 125mg test undeclyonate per week =(

Calcualte out the ester weight and you are below TRT brother.

 

[trapzilla]

Test undeclyonate 250mgs every 2 weeks equals 125mg test undeclyonate per week =(

Calcualte out the ester weight and you are below TRT brother.

awwwh shucks, i'm being slow today (damn studies) lol, i'll stick to your suggestion heavy and just go with enth @300mgs for cruise, stick to a tried and tested method.

cheers for all you help bro