Hey guys...newbie with QUESTIONS !!!! :)

[ND_GREEK]

[FONT=&quot]hey people this is Nick from Greece...

well I have some questions for you guys as i am trying to understand the issue with the steroid thing....

this year my first cycle was norma-naposim-clenbuterol for 7 weeks...
the purpose was to gain back some of my lost muscle cause during the winter i almost lost every gym day due to some problems ( work, new house, got engaged....) so i got back on February and start working out again...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]this year is the second year i am using some roids to help me...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]now for my second cycle - 8 weeks - i am thinking of using the following : [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]primobolan - 200ml / week[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]winstrol - 50mg / day oral for the first 5 weeks [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]clenbuterol - 40mcg to 120mcg / day 2 weeks in 2 weeks off.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]halotestin - 30mg / day for the first 5 weeks[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Anavar - 3 pills / day for the last 3 weeks ( no winstrol - no halotestin ) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]off course whey protein some multivitamins and perhaps some fat burners (like animal cut) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]so what are you think of this? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I don't know much and the above is the suggestion of a friend that i think has a lot of knowledge on this stuff...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I did some blood test yesterday and the numbers transaminase sgpt and the other transaminase on the liver are high..[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the one is 125 and the other 78 with a limit of 40 on both !!!this is after the 7 week program that i said on the beginning.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]what should i use for protection on my liver and to drop the enzyme numbers? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]thank you in advance guys [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and sorry for such a long 1st post....!!!![/FONT]

 

[Tyler3295]

Wow..

 

[Mr.BTB]

fuck bro! why so many orals? dont bash your liver.

Just do testosterone, if you wanna add some other things, add either primo (since you can prob get legits tuss being in greece) or deca. Dont do so many orals......

 

[ND_GREEK]

so you guys think its too many ha?....sh!t...

i am going to use legalon proviron and some clomifen to get the enjymes of the liver down and to protect it...

how about this
primo
clenbuterol
testosterone...( what to use?? )

i just want to get lean this time around.....

p.s. nothing is legit here....for my bad luck!!!

 

[Mr.BTB]

Just use testosterone and a good diet bro, maybe primo for is sparing effects.

you shouldread up on things to use while on gear to proect liver and what things are good for it e.g, milk thistle, ALA and all that.

all the best

 

[ND_GREEK]

Just use testosterone and a good diet bro, maybe primo for is sparing effects.

you shouldread up on things to use while on gear to proect liver and what things are good for it e.g, milk thistle, ALA and all that.

all the best

ok...got you !!!
legalon has a lot of "milk thistle" in it so...can you advise on the testo?
what type and dose/week?

sorry to bust your b@lls this early but i am in the dark here...

 

[VictorZ06]

Oxi vre vlaka! Listen to these guys. Get some test enanthate from the pharmacy down the street. Not everything is "legit", but you can buy test OTC in most pharmacies there. They won't ask you for a script for "testoviron". Deca, they now do. They also only have the 50mg kind now, they no longer have the 200mg versions at local pharmacies.

Use two amps of test E a week along with some HCG, an AI, and some Clomid for post. Run the test for about 12 weeks @500mg ew. Proviron works well and I use it all the time. It's VERY cheap and OTC there so if you have the means, use it. I don't think you will need more than 50mg ed. That's the best way to get your feet wet....and that's IF you are a candidate for AAS. We don't know your stats.

In any case, as mentioned above, you are surely stressing your liver and do risk liver scaring, regardless of what supplements you use when taking so many orals. "Kali tihi"



/V

 

[ND_GREEK]

Oxi vre vlaka! Listen to these guys. Get some test enanthate from the pharmacy down the street. Not everything is "legit", but you can buy test OTC in most pharmacies there. They won't ask you for a script for "testoviron". Deca, they now do. They also only have the 50mg kind now, they no longer have the 200mg versions at local pharmacies.

Use two amps of test E a week along with some HCG, an AI, and some Clomid for post. Run the test for about 12 weeks @500mg ew. Proviron works well and I use it all the time. It's VERY cheap and OTC there so if you have the means, use it. I don't think you will need more than 50mg ed. That's the best way to get your feet wet....and that's IF you are a candidate for AAS. We don't know your stats.

In any case, as mentioned above, you are surely stressing your liver and do risk liver scaring, regardless of what supplements you use when taking so many orals. "Kali tihi"



/V

re malaka ellinas????

ok..first of i am new to roids...
i returned to the gym 2 years ago after a 10 year off.....( lame yeah i know...don't hit!!! )

i now am 31years old 6,1inch height i am 200lbs with about 16% body fat...the only measure i can give you guys know is my arms which they are at almost 16inch diameter ( 15,8 to be excact..) and a 31 waist...

there is a lot of work to be done in winter but for now( 8 weeks left...) i need to CUT !!!!

can you PLEASE explain all these things that you said cause i dont know what the hell you are talking about!!!!!!

test OTC ?
Testoviron = i know...
HCG ?
AI ?
Clomid ?
AAS ?

if you have the time and feel like it please explain....
i am trying to understand these things....i am searching....

Nick

 

[Klutch]

No disrespect i was in your shoes a few weeks ago and if u do not know what
HCG ?
AI ?
Clomid ?
AAS ?
you should do your body and self a favor research alot then decide what you want to do iv changed my mind 12x since iv been on this site
alot of great info and people here please listen to them
AAS can be very dangerous even deadly if you do not know what your doing
but the experts will be here soon to guide you
im a noobie myself

Klutch

 

[aja44]

No disrespect i was in your shoes a few weeks ago and if u do not know what
HCG ?
AI ?
Clomid ?
AAS ?
you should do your body and self a favor research alot then decide what you want to do iv changed my mind 12x since iv been on this site
alot of great info and people here please listen to them
AAS can be very dangerous even deadly if you do not know what your doing
but the experts will be here soon to guide you
im a noobie myself

Klutch

Dude, the advise from Klutch is right on. You have obviously not taken any time to do your own research into what you will be playing with. If you dont know what those items are, you have no business taking AAS now.

Start here: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/67663-best-stickies.html

Take the next few weeks you were going to spend on gear and do your homework and put together a solid training plan and diet. Diet is the key, dont care what gear your running. Start at Fitday.com and begin posting your daily intake and get your macros. Read the stickys from Cowpimp, GAZ and Phineas regarding training and check out BGB from Built. I've been on here for months now and have totally changed the way I approach my diet and my workouts in the gym.

Bottom line, your not ready right now.....

Good Luck.

 

[Tyler3295]

... proect liver and what things are good for it e.g, milk thistle, ALA and all that. ...

+NAC and Liv52!

 

[ND_GREEK]

hey i said i am a noob!!!!

after the tests came out i started wondering...

thats why i searched for a place to come and look and study and learn...

i will try to understand almost everything before going "in" again...
so bare with me....its the begging of something totally new for me...

If you ask a question and you are lucky enough to find people to guide you then the mistakes have fewer chances....better safe than sorry....

also i am having trouble with the terminology....sh!t these are deeeeeeeeep waters.....

 

[Tyler3295]

hey i said i am a noob!!!!

after the tests came out i started wondering...

thats why i searched for a place to come and look and study and learn...

i will try to understand almost everything before going "in" again...
so bare with me....its the begging of something totally new for me...

If you ask a question and you are lucky enough to find people to guide you then the mistakes have fewer chances....better safe than sorry....

also i am having trouble with the terminology....sh!t these are deeeeeeeeep waters.....

Not that deep.

What terminology are you struggling with?

 

[SurfsideRyan]

Hawthorne Berry, Milk Thistle, Liv52, Taurine... learn those well

 

[VictorZ06]

re malaka ellinas????

ok..first of i am new to roids...
i returned to the gym 2 years ago after a 10 year off.....( lame yeah i know...don't hit!!! )

i now am 31years old 6,1inch height i am 200lbs with about 16% body fat...the only measure i can give you guys know is my arms which they are at almost 16inch diameter ( 15,8 to be excact..) and a 31 waist...

there is a lot of work to be done in winter but for now( 8 weeks left...) i need to CUT !!!!

can you PLEASE explain all these things that you said cause i dont know what the hell you are talking about!!!!!!

test OTC ?
Testoviron = i know...
HCG ?
AI ?
Clomid ?
AAS ?

if you have the time and feel like it please explain....
i am trying to understand these things....i am searching....

Nick

Ne Elinas eme. Anyway, you have a lot of homework to do bro, I don't think you are ready to use, but I'll shed some light on the terminology for a fellow Greek. Please read all the stickies on here and try to learn as much as you can before starting. We are all happy to help you, but you have to do some legwork yourself.

test OTC ? Testosterone Over The Counter
HCG ? Human Chorionic Gonadotropin
AI ? Aromatase Inhibitor
Clomid ? Clomiphene, used for PCT only
AAS ? Anabolic Androgenic Steroids


/V


You can PM me and I can tell you where to go in Athens if your local pharms give you any shit. Not sure where in Greece you are.

 

[unclem]

[FONT=&quot]hey people this is Nick from Greece...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]well I have some questions for you guys as i am trying to understand the issue with the steroid thing....[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]this year my first cycle was norma-naposim-clenbuterol for 7 weeks...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the purpose was to gain back some of my lost muscle cause during the winter i almost lost every gym day due to some problems ( work, new house, got engaged....) so i got back on February and start working out again...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]this year is the second year i am using some roids to help me...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]now for my second cycle - 8 weeks - i am thinking of using the following : [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]primobolan - 200ml / week[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]winstrol - 50mg / day oral for the first 5 weeks [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]clenbuterol - 40mcg to 120mcg / day 2 weeks in 2 weeks off.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]halotestin - 30mg / day for the first 5 weeks[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Anavar - 3 pills / day for the last 3 weeks ( no winstrol - no halotestin ) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]off course whey protein some multivitamins and perhaps some fat burners (like animal cut) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]so what are you think of this? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I don't know much and the above is the suggestion of a friend that i think has a lot of knowledge on this stuff...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I did some blood test yesterday and the numbers transaminase sgpt and the other transaminase on the liver are high..[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the one is 125 and the other 78 with a limit of 40 on both !!!this is after the 7 week program that i said on the beginning.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]what should i use for protection on my liver and to drop the enzyme numbers? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]thank you in advance guys [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and sorry for such a long 1st post....!!!![/FONT]

you better not fuck with anabolics of anykind with those hepatic enzymes, wait till they go down and in greece you can get legalon use that and milk thistle 8,000 mg ed, they might be one and the same. bro those r very very high. drink alot of cranberry juice to keep the kidneys from going heywire, and alot of h2o ed for at least 2 months or your going to have problems down the road. next time use a liver protector and dont take any orals your next cycle until u see your blood test again. but, get a blood test before you start a cycle to see if it went down to lower limits. see a dr in about a month to see if its gone down to the 70s at least. dont drink alcohol at all in two months. update on your enzymes please bro. good luck . peace imo.

 

[ND_GREEK]

ok....
i am already started on legalon-proviron-clomifen to get the enzymes down to proper levels and to protect the liver...
i am going to use some primo and clen (injected both) to shred some weight off....
And from now on i am starting to get serious in studying these things...
For the winter i am going to get started for building up ( not too much though ) then PCT( right??? ) then off again and start on April the cutting face this time in proper way....
The thing is that from what i have already read on this forum you guys have much more knowledge on this...that's why the results is so much better than here....listening here and there some opinions can do you pretty good damage...
The only problem i can think for the near future is that i don't know if i can get the same things that you get, in terms of brand names and quality....
that is something i am going to deal later on with....
Nick...

 

[Tyler3295]

Wow..