Hi guys, Need HELP choosing please help

[gymratbig]

Hi all

Guys my stats are 5'9 age 27 bf 10% and 178 pounds.

I finished my previous cycle 8 months ago i did test 450 and deca 250 a week for 12 weeks and loved the results, but problem was too much water in the body. After my PCT i trained for 8 months and cut up a bit.

Now im looking to gain some pure muscle and get ripped, i have been reading the forums and noticed lots of people are saying Primo or Tren are the best when combined with Deca

I was wonder which is a best combo tren and deca or primo and deca?

my goals are to cycle and get as ripped and strong as possible while adding about 10 or 12 pounds max.

Getting ripped and strong is more important to me than getting huge.


thanks in advance guys

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

I personally wouldn't combine Tren and Deca. They are both 19-nor compounds and running them together would cause quite a bit of prolactin build up IMO. Plus you would want to run it with Test, or have major FinaDeca dick

Sounds like gyno and limp dick waiting to happen.

I would do Test, EQ and Anavar or Winny. That was my second cycle and I got great gains from it !

 

[LAM]

I finished my previous cycle 8 months ago i did test 450 and deca 250 a week for 12 weeks and loved the results, but problem was too much water in the body. After my PCT i trained for 8 months and cut up a bit.

maybe your bf estimate was higher than originally thought. shouldn't take anywhere close to 8months to get cut if you are anywhere near single digit body fat. either way maybe look at cleaning up the diet to reduce the sodium intake

 

[The Prototype]

Just curious how much you gained from your first cycle? I'm running a similar cycle now.

 

[brandon123]

I personally wouldn't combine Tren and Deca. They are both 19-nor compounds and running them together would cause quite a bit of prolactin build up IMO. Plus you would want to run it with Test, or have major FinaDeca dick

I agree completely with chronic. You don't want to run tren and deca together. Deca is a much milder form of tren. So if your looking for something stronger then tren is the route to go. Also if you gained to much water weight then next time try running an AI such as Aromasin throughout the cycle.

 

[OutWhey]

Hi all

Guys my stats are 5'9 age 27 bf 10% and 178 pounds.

I finished my previous cycle 8 months ago i did test 450 and deca 250 a week for 12 weeks and loved the results, but problem was too much water in the body. After my PCT i trained for 8 months and cut up a bit.

Now im looking to gain some pure muscle and get ripped, i have been reading the forums and noticed lots of people are saying Primo or Tren are the best when combined with Deca

I was wonder which is a best combo tren and deca or primo and deca?

my goals are to cycle and get as ripped and strong as possible while adding about 10 or 12 pounds max.

Getting ripped and strong is more important to me than getting huge.


thanks in advance guys

I suggest not running Tren and Deca together. This is 2 steroids, both known for being more suppressive than others.

Your body will be clearly out of whack and will remain so for some time (possibly up to 18 months, since you used deca).

I know this sounds paradoxical (taking more steroids, to recover from other steroids) but you must remember that test is what your body produces (or should be producing naturally. It is, for men, the 'feelgood' hormone and will allow your body a degree of homeostasis, even if it is artificially supplied.

 

[gymratbig]

to answer ripped golfer i gain about 16 pounds of muscle, that was after the water was gone.


Ok so tren and deca bad idea got it. So what is good to run with Primo? like i said my main goals are to gain about 7-10 pounds of clean muscle


appreciate all the info guys, it really helps when wanting to make the right decision

 

[XYZ]

Test and diet is all you need.

Once you get below 10% BF then you can add something else, but for the most part adding anything before getting to 10% is a waste.

 

[gymratbig]

bro im already at around 8%. So since you guys say deca and primo is not a good combo so what do you recommend i do research on as far as reaching my goals?

my goals are to gain around 10-12 pounds of clean muscle

 

[XYZ]

bro im already at around 8%. So since you guys say deca and primo is not a good combo so what do you recommend i do research on as far as reaching my goals?

my goals are to gain around 10-12 pounds of clean muscle

dbol, deca and test.

Your diet will dictate if it's a clean 10-12 lbs or not.

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

dbol, deca and test.

Your diet will dictate if it's a clean 10-12 lbs or not.

So, would you say it is possible to stay lean on dbol if diet was 100% perfect and you had estrogen under control ?

I am afraid to use it.... LOL

 

[XYZ]

So, would you say it is possible to stay lean on dbol if diet was 100% perfect and you had estrogen under control ?

I am afraid to use it.... LOL

Yes. You will get some fluid retention but it will go away rather quickly a couple of weeks after you stop it.

Diet is at least 80% of everything in my opinion. If you keep it clean and big (but not too big) you'll put on the "right" type of weight. When it gets sloppy so do the gains.

The cleaner you keep it in the off season the easier it is to maintain it and cut it later on.

It's a trial and error process, it really takes time to figure out how your body will respond to everything. By the looks of your avatar you seem to be doing rather well.

 

[gymratbig]

well first and foremost THANKS a lot for all help and advice you guys gave, i have spent many hours last few days researching and taking what you guys said to heart and decided to try Primo and DECA, from what i read many diff websites saying its good and light combo and will give me moederate gains while very low water retention.

Im gonna start the first 3 weeks by taking 100mg of primo and 250mg deca and see how my body reacts to that at first then increase the final 8-9 weeks at 200mg primo and 250 deca.


Any final thoughs or words of advice?


ill keep you guys updates week by week