High ML Home Brewing

[Governer]

whats up guys, new member here. im interested in learning a bit more about the home brewing process. im real into the whole "science and chemistry" aspect of bodybuilding. it fascinates me and ive always been scientifically inclined. plus, one saves a whole lot of money brewing their gear themselves, and you know exactly what it is. (as long as your raw source is trustworthy)

now ive read and seen all the recipes out there on basskiller and such. most are your standard BA, BB, carrier oil recipes. (test e 250ml/mg, test p 100mg/ml ect.) while those are pretty straight forward, i was hoping there are some more expeinced bros on here who have experince utilizing things suxh as guaiacol, phenyl salicylate, ethyl oleate, or a combination of all three to make higher concentration gear or blends. i have somewhat of a basic understanding from reading Dazed 's articles.

im planning out a next cycle consisting of test prop, npp, and masteron. a very effective and synergistic cycle imo, a test, a 19-nor and a DHT. (test, an anabolic, and an androgen all present)
i want to brew a blend of all three at: test prop 100mg, npp 75mg, masteron p 75mg. for a total of 250mg of hormone/ml. and be able to pin 1cc ED. 700mg prop, 525mg npp, 525mg masteron / week.
im not sure if using 100% EO as a carrier oil will hold it or i will need a tiny bit of gua. or have to go the phenyl route. would like to keep BA as minimal as possible, propionate is already a pain in the ass as it is. any suggestions or insights would be great. thanks guys

 

[Governer]

no one?

 

[heckler7]

I dont know anything about this subject, but I like the idea of brewing my own gear. there are stickies around here on this, but dont expect a huge response

 

[psychowhite]

Hit up colo. He's a genius with brewing.

 

[raysd21]

100% EO should be fine. I'd say even 50% EO. Although...I've never worked with Masteron. That is gonna be the tricky part. That shit loves to crash. Probably right up there with Test Acetate.

Do you have guaiacol already? Or do you have to order it?

 

[Governer]

thanks for the replies guys, bambam..what was your ratios that you used? phenyl? gua? eo? ect..

yes raysd i already have plenty of gua, EO, and safflower oil. and sourcing any phenyl salicylate elsewhere if needed. standard lab supply distributors do not supply it.

 

[NoviceAAS]

Well I dont know what it is you want to know. If you are more specific I can tell you . Asking about Guiacol but what about it ? Yes it smells, it makes a taste in your mouth upon injection and helps gear solvncy but for the most part isnt needed. Same goes for E.O. . Some people react negatively to both compounds so first try to brew without . EO is the only compound I have seen that clearly attacks rubber.

 

[Usealittle]

Not every one can take EO... I made some bold cyp with gso at 100mg/ml with zero pain but tryed to make it at 200 with 50/50 and holy shit... So bad I couldn't use my arm (pinned shoulder) for 4days. My body does not like EO oil.... Felt like the old shit IP used to make but I know it was the EO and not my ba content that was the only thing iv ever made the did that to me.



So EO might not be for everyone.

 

[raysd21]

Not every one can take EO... I made some bold cyp with gso at 100mg/ml with zero pain but tryed to make it at 200 with 50/50 and holy shit... So bad I couldn't use my arm (pinned shoulder) for 4days. My body does not like EO oil.... Felt like the old shit IP used to make but I know it was the EO and not my ba content that was the only thing iv ever made the did that to me.

So EO might not be for everyone.

Bold cyp is notoriously painfull. I would think it was the bold cyp high mg that caused the pain crashing in your muscle. Guaiacol has mild analgesic effects on painfull gear so you should have used that. EO and guaiacol together for hard to hold painfull gear are a great combo. Sure people say they have reactions to EO. But the cooincidence that EO is specifically used for painfull hard to hold gear is undeniable. Try injecting a half ml of straight EO in your butt and see if you get pain. That is the only way to tell.

The body also forms EO naturally after injesting Ethanol alcohol. I find it interesting that it is naturally occuring yet we treat it like a red headed step child with ebola. The fact that it eats rubber is a moot point. There is no rubber in my body. I'm not a proponent of EO just think it's misunderstood.

 

[NoviceAAS]

I like EO my self , but it depends on if hes going to share this gear with anyone. Some people do seem to have a bad reaction and I don't know why. At one point I suspected it was people who had a past problem as an alcoholic because everyone I knew that had an issue was in recovery, but then I met a guy that had no past and still reacted. And no theres no rubber in my body either but if I made gear with EO Id be sure not to bottle it with rubber stoppers.

 

[Usealittle]

Bold cyp is notoriously painfull. I would think it was the bold cyp high mg that caused the pain crashing in your muscle. Guaiacol has mild analgesic effects on painfull gear so you should have used that. EO and guaiacol together for hard to hold painfull gear are a great combo. Sure people say they have reactions to EO. But the cooincidence that EO is specifically used for painfull hard to hold gear is undeniable. Try injecting a half ml of straight EO in your butt and see if you get pain. That is the only way to tell.

The body also forms EO naturally after injesting Ethanol alcohol. I find it interesting that it is naturally occuring yet we treat it like a red headed step child with ebola. The fact that it eats rubber is a moot point. There is no rubber in my body. I'm not a proponent of EO just think it's misunderstood.

Ill just have to take your word on that. I didn't know bold cyp was painfull...

Now bold prop was the worst, I got the flu and injection pain was REALLY bad. I knew it could be so I only got a small amount of powder and made it at 50mg/ml (didn't want any issues). Now that was pain plus getting sick. Ill just stick with my bold cyp at 100 and be happy.

 

[raysd21]

Yeah I've heard about bold prop. Harsh as fuck. Dude I have a lot of trouble with Test Acetate. I don't know what it is about that shit man. I always get sick on it. Your bold prop experience reminds me of that. I don't want to throw this test ace away. What did you do with your BP? I'm thinking if I inject it with something like Test Cyp it might help.

 

[Governer]

ok guys, just did my first home brew ever. started off brewing trenbolone acetate at 100mg/ml. used only 1% BA, and 15% BB with safflower oil and EO at ratios 85% 15% respectably. came out great, suspended easily, smooth, and no crashing. i then upped the difficulty a bit and then brewed my own "cut stack" mix of testosterone propionate, masterone propionate, and trenbolone acetate. (test p 45mg mast p 75mg tren a 75mg / ml, 70mls worth) brewed it again with 1% BA 15% BB 85% EO 15% safflower oil, and added 1.5 ml of Gua at the end to make sure the all the hormone dissolved into the solution. this batch filtered even easier due to higher EO ratio to oil. and has a nice amber gold color with a hint of pinkish red hue when the light hits it due to the gua. i know its the gua because i used TNE before that had the same gua distinct smell and had the same tint. again came out smooth, clear. made 70 ml of my custom "cut mix" and plan to run it for 8 weeks after an 8week run of the prop, mast and npp blend im brewing next.

winter/spring cycle:
weeks 1-8 test prop 700mg
npp 525mg
mast prop 525mg
(1cc ED)
weeks 9-16 test prop 315mg
tren Ace 525mg
mast prop 525mg

ancillaries: aromasin during npp only, dropping after week 8
caber and/or prami on hand
clomiphene and fareston (toremifene) and aromasin for pct
hcg 250iu 2x/week throughout cycle, 1 shot of triptorelin before pct

if funds permit i will also be running cjc-1295 with DAC 2mg/week throughout the cycle accompanied by huperzine-A and green tea extract to give that extra boost in hgh and igf levels. still considering adding in t4 with it to help conversion to t3 after switching to tren.

 

[raysd21]

You don't need EO for 100mg/ml tren. I usually do the 5% BA and 0% BB. How long did you heat the Tren? Tren is notorious for oxidizing if left on the heat too long.

Did all your numbers add up with the cut stack? You probably just copied a recipe off the net so they most likely added up.

Anyway glad everything went smooth.

Just curious what kind of filter you used. I know EO and Guai eat thru filters like crazy.

 

[Governer]

Yeah I know just using a carrier oil would suffice but I have plenty of EO and I like lower viscosity gear as it goes through smaller gauge pins. Plus I figured it couldn't hurt. ..I used the calculator on basskiller to get my values. The tren came out spot on, the cut mix blend came out a little over because of the added gua. Also taking into account the displacement of the three compounds in the blend are different but I utilized the .85g/ml rule for all three. (I believe the test and mast displace a bit more than .85g/ml) But close enough to give the desired range dose.

 

[Usealittle]

Yeah I've heard about bold prop. Harsh as fuck. Dude I have a lot of trouble with Test Acetate. I don't know what it is about that shit man. I always get sick on it. Your bold prop experience reminds me of that. I don't want to throw this test ace away. What did you do with your BP? I'm thinking if I inject it with something like Test Cyp it might help.

I only made a small amount so I just junked it. If it was just the pain I would try ways to lesson that but the fact I got sick would be more then I could fix, so it's gone.

 

[Governer]

Yeah I know just using a carrier oil would suffice but I have plenty of EO and I like lower viscosity gear as it goes through smaller gauge pins. Plus I figured it couldn't hurt. ..I used the calculator on basskiller to get my values. The tren came out spot on, the cut mix blend came out a little over because of the added gua. Also taking into account the displacement of the three compounds in the blend are different but I utilized the .85g/ml rule for all three. (I believe the test and mast displace a bit more than .85g/ml) But close enough to give the desired range dose.

I filtered the solutions through whatman syringe filters, .2pore. Used one filter per batch
as for the heating if the tren, not long. Put it in a hot water bath on the stove top until powder disolved, no longer. As for the cut mix, a bit longer because of the amount of hormone I was attempting to disolve. What does tren look like when it oxidizes? How would one tell? Thanks

 

[raysd21]

I filtered the solutions through whatman syringe filters, .2pore. Used one filter per batch
as for the heating if the tren, not long. Put it in a hot water bath on the stove top until powder disolved, no longer. As for the cut mix, a bit longer because of the amount of hormone I was attempting to disolve. What does tren look like when it oxidizes? How would one tell? Thanks

It just gets darker that's all. You see really dark tren. It's either oxidation or fake from added color to the oil. Tren burns really easy.

Yeah those blends like cut stack are tricky. Just gotta get your %'s down. I was just getting at...

You have to account for all the grams of all the different hormones affecting the total amount of oil after they dissolve that's all.

Displacement. For a properly dosed blend.

 

[Governer]

It just gets darker that's all. You see really dark tren. It's either oxidation or fake from added color to the oil. Tren burns really easy.

Yeah those blends like cut stack are tricky. Just gotta get your %'s down. I was just getting at...

You have to account for all the grams of all the different hormones affecting the total amount of oil after they dissolve that's all.

Displacement. For a properly dosed blend.

oh ok, yeah most people go nuts over that rusty oxidized tren. why? i dunno ..seems to me the clearer it is the more pure and well brewed it is. my tren only brew came out a nice gold color not any darker than any test with GSO ive seen. so i dont think i burned it.

yeah, the prop displaces .909g/ml and mast .935g/ml. while tren only displaces .848g/ml ...although i used the .85 default rule, i still know how much of each hormone i put into the solution. i can then divide by the amount in ml and figure out exactly how much hormone is displaced per ml, right? its pretty close, not soo much that one would see any significant difference. if my calculation is correct, my brew is a bit overdosed. and that means i can pin under a cc if needed, plus its homebrew not pharma. no fda or gmp regulations on my gear lol