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[Aaron S.]

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You have no control over the cleanliness of the powder from where it originated though. If they didnt take the correct precautions then your methodology is bunk.

You know what an Iso 9000 certification is? Do you think BA is a bunk anti-microbial?? Do you think Whatman sells bunk filters? Do you think bacteria can survive 350 degrees for 30 minutes ? What i control is who i buy my shit from and what happens AFTER i receive the product. I CAN control how much of a risk is involved with bacteria growing that may have somehow got in the powder at the factory, by not exposing the product to any moisture, air, or questionable surface area once i get it. That was the only point i was making. I don't know about you, but i have worked in clean rooms and i HAVE worked in factories that are ISO certified so i know the importance of getting products from factories that have this certification. I'm not sure exactly what is bunk about that.....but if my methodology is bunk i guess i'm really lucky because i have pinned a dozen products hundreds of times over the last decade and dozens of people have used my products with nothing but good things to say over the last decade so if i'm just lucky i'll take that kind of luck any day LOL !!

 

[Aaron S.]

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I see. I thought maybe for peptides or hcg.

I haven't used HCG in forever, apparently one of our people have it for really cheap so i was thinking about getting some. It's just not something i really need (not much shrinkage) but friends ask about it sometimes so i think it would be profitable to have.

 

[ABSolut]

So my stupid Nalgene collector bottle cracked. I planned on using the 33mm media bottle I had with the filter, but it didn't fit. I used the plastic collector and it cracked at 5-6 psi. What a POS. Good thing it was only a hairline crack. No oil leaked out, but some air bubbles came in due to the vacuum. Funny thing is the oil stopped dripping down when there is no vacuum. But when I disconnect the tubing and pump, the oil started dripping down again and alot faster than when there was vacuum. The heck? I let it sit and filter the rest of my brew. Not sure if I should get another bottle filter (one that fits my media bottle!) and refilter...

 

[Aaron S.]

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So my stupid Nalgene collector bottle cracked. I planned on using the 33mm media bottle I had with the filter, but it didn't fit. I used the plastic collector and it cracked at 5-6 psi. What a POS. Good thing it was only a hairline crack. No oil leaked out, but some air bubbles came in due to the vacuum. Funny thing is the oil stopped dripping down when there is no vacuum. But when I disconnect the tubing and pump, the oil started dripping down again and alot faster than when there was vacuum. The heck? I let it sit and filter the rest of my brew. Not sure if I should get another bottle filter (one that fits my media bottle!) and refilter...

Wow bro, i'm sorry to hear that. I'm surprised that happened with 6 psi.

 

[cutright]

I would refilter just to be safe^^^^ it's a small price to pay for sterile gears

 

[cutright]

Aaron I'm with you I can control what I do as far as cleanliness goes. But back to HCG it's not just for full balls it's to keep your body from shutting down completely and as much stuff as you inject lol just throw in a little HCG bro.

 

[Aaron S.]

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I like to consider it human grade lol

I'm sure it's some kick ass gear bro. I bet you can push it through a 25 pretty easily. The next time i need over 200mls i'm gonna get the millipore/pump set up. Brundel was so on point with that. Unlike me you did the right thing and got it right away LOL!!

 

[Aaron S.]

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Aaron I'm with you I can control what I do as far as cleanliness goes. But back to HCG it's not just for full balls it's to keep your body from shutting down completely and as much stuff as you inject lol just throw in a little HCG bro.

I know your right, i really should be using on cycle protocol but every time i think of getting something like that my addictive personality takes over and i get 100 grams of some AAS. Hey bro speaking of, i have been reading a lot of articles that say injectable testosterone undeclynate in castor oil ( i know thick as hell, would definitely need to put the castor through a .22) is probably going to be approved for hormone replacement because injectable TU has an extremely long half life. The research data i read has it compared to TE.

 

[cutright]

It's real comparable to E, it's a slower ester by about 4 or so days, the E is what I like. But get the millipore set up and filtering with a .22 will be a walk in the park

 

[keith1569]

I know your right, i really should be using on cycle protocol but every time i think of getting something like that my addictive personality takes over and i get 100 grams of some AAS. Hey bro speaking of, i have been reading a lot of articles that say injectable testosterone undeclynate in castor oil ( i know thick as hell, would definitely need to put the castor through a .22) is probably going to be approved for hormone replacement because injectable TU has an extremely long half life. The research data i read has it compared to TE.

Good to hear..Captn pins 2ml every 2 weeks i believe when cruising and he loves it! i read an article where even pinning 4ml once a month works the same because since 4ml is a good size, the oil surrounding or within the hormone takes longer to become absorbed and therefore having the same release as 1 shot every 2 weeks..

found the article
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/...erone-undecanoate-big-gains-or-big-pain-.html

 

[Aaron S.]

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Good to hear..Captn pins 2ml every 2 weeks i believe when cruising and he loves it! i read an article where even pinning 4ml once a month works the same because since 4ml is a good size, the oil surrounding or within the hormone takes longer to become absorbed and therefore having the same release as 1 shot every 2 weeks..

Yea, you read one of the articles i'm referring to, it said with enanthate once a week is mandatory but with this stuff you can go with once a month if you shoot 4mls. I'm not the kind of guy that would ever wait a month to shoot as my regular protocol. I'm thinking more in terms of being able to shoot like 1000 mgs before i go on a two week trip. I read the stuff somehow maintains regular stable release from injection site if castor oil is the medium. The articles are really interesting. I had no idea it had such a long half life when injected vs. oral (10-14 days oral vs like a month injected)

 

[UA_Iron]

You know what an Iso 9000 certification is? Do you think BA is a bunk anti-microbial?? Do you think Whatman sells bunk filters? Do you think bacteria can survive 350 degrees for 30 minutes ? What i control is who i buy my shit from and what happens AFTER i receive the product. I CAN control how much of a risk is involved with bacteria growing that may have somehow got in the powder at the factory, by not exposing the product to any moisture, air, or questionable surface area once i get it. That was the only point i was making. I don't know about you, but i have worked in clean rooms and i HAVE worked in factories that are ISO certified so i know the importance of getting products from factories that have this certification. I'm not sure exactly what is bunk about that.....but if my methodology is bunk i guess i'm really lucky because i have pinned a dozen products hundreds of times over the last decade and dozens of people have used my products with nothing but good things to say over the last decade so if i'm just lucky i'll take that kind of luck any day LOL !!

ISO 9000 is a standard for quality management practices. It's not even a well defined standard for doing things. Basically in an FDA audit a companies quality system will be scrutinized. You pass if you basically "do and practice what you stated in your quality system how you should do it." And yes, I'm well aware of FDA regulated industries, I work in one.

ISO certified manufacturers are not exclusive to any healthcare industry, it encompasses a wide set of standards that apply to all industries. So what if you worked in an ISO certified manufacturing plant? Doesn't make you anymore qualified than someone else. Clean rooms on the other hand would be necessary for the preparation of injectables, do you have one in your house? Do you have the necessary testing equipment to determine that your environment is controlled? Throwing rubbing alcohol all over your work surface isn't going to ensure anything.

BA is an excellent antimocrobial preservative. 0.9% is typically what pharma uses in injectable preparations... but BA does have a tendency at room temperature and higher to accelerate protein aggregation (think prions). Not really a big concern in environments we deal with though.

Bro, I dont think your processes are wrong. In fact I think you probably do a better job than 99% of the people out there. If you continue in this fashion you'll be fine. I still think you should use a .22um filter or better though as an added precaution. Why skimp on something you can control?

I push my oils through a 0.05um filter before I even use them.

 

[Aaron S.]

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ISO 9000 is a standard for quality management practices. It's not even a well defined standard for doing things. Basically in an FDA audit a companies quality system will be scrutinized. You pass if you basically "do and practice what you stated in your quality system how you should do it." And yes, I'm well aware of FDA regulated industries, I work in one.

ISO certified manufacturers are not exclusive to any healthcare industry, it encompasses a wide set of standards that apply to all industries. So what if you worked in an ISO certified manufacturing plant? Doesn't make you anymore qualified than someone else. Clean rooms on the other hand would be necessary for the preparation of injectables, do you have one in your house? Do you have the necessary testing equipment to determine that your environment is controlled? Throwing rubbing alcohol all over your work surface isn't going to ensure anything.

BA is an excellent antimocrobial preservative. 0.9% is typically what pharma uses in injectable preparations... but BA does have a tendency at room temperature and higher to accelerate protein aggregation (think prions). Not really a big concern in environments we deal with though.

Bro, I dont think your processes are wrong. In fact I think you probably do a better job than 99% of the people out there. If you continue in this fashion you'll be fine. I still think you should use a .22um filter or better though as an added precaution. Why skimp on something you can control?

I push my oils through a 0.05um filter before I even use them.

My neighbor is a bio engineer at the state university here where i live. If i have to do something really big (with the economy like it is i haven't in a long time) he lets me use one of the 4 clean rooms he has access to. He does research for the University here and has access after hours, he puts EVERYTHING he does through a .05 but they keep track of the equipment pretty well and i don't like to take advantage of him by using something he is responsible for. The shit he makes can easily go through a 27 gauge, it's thinner than anything i have ever made, that's for sure. If i'm doing something small, like just for me, i can control the environment a little better, i can filter 40mls into a sterile bottle pretty quickly after i take it out of the sterilizing heater (is like a small portable oven but for sterilizing hospital equipment. As you know whatmans can handle some pretty hot stuff. The more being processed the greater the margin of error, cleanliness wise (my opinion), Now i do plan on getting the Millipore - .22 because, like you said, it's a precaution i should actually be taking since it really isn't that big of an expense. My point about the ISO certification was that standards are required. When i worked for MicroChem we had to change a lot of things and make sure we kept everything up to standard when we got certified. I'm certainly not the guy who will say i'm qualified to do anything i have been doing the last 10 or 11 years LOL !! I'm certainly not! I was just saying that i do what i can as far as purchasing from companies that i know, from doing business at MicChem, and that have a certification that i am familiar with. At least that way i know that SOME standards are required of the comapny. I can tell you this, there are plenty of companies that say they have medical grade but offer no kind of proof that they are required to keep any kind of standards. I get your point, and i think this whole thing went on an unnecessary tangent. I think you misunderstood what i was actually trying to say. When you acquire a product you should store it properly. I have in the past purchased VERY large (at least for what i do) quantities of certain products. In order to ensure as little exposure to air i would have to break them down into centigram packages and store in a dry, cool, airtight environment. Some people get a kilo, and draw from the package they received it in for 7 months opening and closing the package over and over again exposing it to air over and over. It's important to store your shit properly...

 

[Aaron S.]

O.K. Guys some of you guys know a lot about test in it's many form, i know a couple of you use it exclusively. The effectiveness rating charts that we are all familiar with give test undeclynate a much lower rating that the others - prop, enanth, cyp, deca, iso etc...is this because they presuppose its in oral form (andriol)?? I want to try this shit but i don't want to buy it if it's not going to behave the way other tests behave. i want it because it's got such a long half life that if you pin it every 72 hrs it would give you ridiculously high blood serum test levels after about 5 weeks if you did only 750mgs/week, 250mg 3 times a week - with a half life of like 14 days your test levels would be - like 1750mg or something...

 

[UA_Iron]

My neighbor is a bio engineer at the state university here where i live. If i have to do something really big (with the economy like it is i haven't in a long time) he lets me use one of the 4 clean rooms he has access to. He does research for the University here and has access after hours, he puts EVERYTHING he does through a .05 but they keep track of the equipment pretty well and i don't like to take advantage of him by using something he is responsible for. The shit he makes can easily go through a 27 gauge, it's thinner than anything i have ever made, that's for sure. If i'm doing something small, like just for me, i can control the environment a little better, i can filter 40mls into a sterile bottle pretty quickly after i take it out of the sterilizing heater (is like a small portable oven but for sterilizing hospital equipment. As you know whatmans can handle some pretty hot stuff. The more being processed the greater the margin of error, cleanliness wise (my opinion), Now i do plan on getting the Millipore - .22 because, like you said, it's a precaution i should actually be taking since it really isn't that big of an expense. My point about the ISO certification was that standards are required. When i worked for MicroChem we had to change a lot of things and make sure we kept everything up to standard when we got certified. I'm certainly not the guy who will say i'm qualified to do anything i have been doing the last 10 or 11 years LOL !! I'm certainly not! I was just saying that i do what i can as far as purchasing from companies that i know, from doing business at MicChem, and that have a certification that i am familiar with. At least that way i know that SOME standards are required of the comapny. I can tell you this, there are plenty of companies that say they have medical grade but offer no kind of proof that they are required to keep any kind of standards. I get your point, and i think this whole thing went on an unnecessary tangent. I think you misunderstood what i was actually trying to say. When you acquire a product you should store it properly. I have in the past purchased VERY large (at least for what i do) quantities of certain products. In order to ensure as little exposure to air i would have to break them down into centigram packages and store in a dry, cool, airtight environment. Some people get a kilo, and draw from the package they received it in for 7 months opening and closing the package over and over again exposing it to air over and over. It's important to store your shit properly...

I'll agree we got outta hand haha. I believe you're a good homebrewer bro. Nice to have access to someone like your neighbor for sure.

I think in the case of getting a kilo+ qty's its better to brew it all at once and filter all at once. Less handling the better.

 

[keith1569]

O.K. Guys some of you guys know a lot about test in it's many form, i know a couple of you use it exclusively. The effectiveness rating charts that we are all familiar with give test undeclynate a much lower rating that the others - prop, enanth, cyp, deca, iso etc...is this because they presuppose its in oral form (andriol)?? I want to try this shit but i don't want to buy it if it's not going to behave the way other tests behave. i want it because it's got such a long half life that if you pin it every 72 hrs it would give you ridiculously high blood serum test levels after about 5 weeks if you did only 750mgs/week, 250mg 3 times a week - with a half life of like 14 days your test levels would be - like 1750mg or something...

so when you say its effectiveness rating what do you mean exactly? are you referring to what people are saying? are they running it for quite long periods since it has such a long half life it would take a while to build up..or are you referring to articles published?
i believe that if run at like 600mg to 1g every 2 weeks u should definitely be good to go..course if you did inj's more frequently the amount dosed would be smaller..

 

[Aaron S.]

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I'll agree we got outta hand haha. I believe you're a good homebrewer bro. Nice to have access to someone like your neighbor for sure.

I think in the case of getting a kilo+ qty's its better to brew it all at once and filter all at once. Less handling the better.

Oh absolutely !!LOL !! Leaving that much powder isn't as good of an idea as brewing it all. I hate saying this kind of shit but i wasn't brewing it. I was "getting rid of" 25gram bags. In 07 things got pretty amped around here. There was an Underground subculture that was freaking huge. I didn't know anyone that wasn't using "hormone therapy". People that didn't lift were using HRT for libido and energy. It's not like that anymore. I won't have my neighbor anymore in a month. I'll be moving. I know he hates doing it for me any way. It makes him so freaking nervous. He has a really good job. He's a PhD at a really big state University, that shouldn't be taking that kind of risk any way. For him it's one thing but doing it for some kitchen chemist across the courtyard is just not in his best interest.

 

[Aaron S.]

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so when you say its effectiveness rating what do you mean exactly? are you referring to what people are saying? are they running it for quite long periods since it has such a long half life it would take a while to build up..or are you referring to articles published?
i believe that if run at like 600mg to 1g every 2 weeks u should definitely be good to go..course if you did inj's more frequently the amount dosed would be smaller..

There are charts on different sites that refer to a hormones ability to add size, strength, reduce body fat, amount kept after discontinue, the quality of the gains etc... these charts give test declynate a lower rating than other tests.

 

[Aaron S.]

Well i dropped down from 600mg of EQ&NanDec and 700 mg of Test blend to 800mg of TNE (test suspension) so 2100mg to 800mg. Test suspension is some pretty strong stuff cause i don't feel like i'm dragging ass or anything. I have read that EQ and Deca have built in tapering systems (the long ass esters)

 

[Aaron S.]

been a while since i filtered any Tren Enanthate (through a .45 so don't beat me down UA Iron! lol) the shit came out absolutely outstanding. Goes twice as fast as Tren Acetate.

Also, Just want an opinion, I have to do some Test Acetate. I'm figuring i need to use the same chemical ratios as with Tren Ace don't you guys think ???

 

[Aaron S.]

Any one think i can make test acetate at like 150mg?? I would really like to do a Test/Tren Acetate at 75/50. Any one have any experience with test acetate.?

 

[Aaron S.]

O.K. i'm trying the Test acetate at 166mg. Used 2% BA and 17% BB. This stuff had a really high melting point.

 

[keith1569]

def curious to see how the pain level is for it compared to say prop..when you gonna give it a try?

 

[Aaron S.]

With regard to testosterone Acetate...Don't even try to make it over 100mg/ml. I have taken it from 166mg to 89 mg and i'm up to 20%BB and 2% BA. I'm gonna let it sit and see if it crashes. At 166mg/cc with 16%BB and 1% BA it crashed in 5 minutes.

 

[Aaron S.]

Wow ! I can see why test acetate isn't a popular hormone. No shit after going up to 20%BB and 3% BA it still crashed. i decided to just add 7% Guiaicol and be done with it. I guess i will see.

 

[Aaron S.]

I can't give it a try anytime soon. I had a request for some. All i can take is that freaking TNE man. I wish i could use an estered hormone. I have religiously taken this shit and slept on my back cause my medial glutes were so sore that lying on my side stretched them too much. I got to take a break from this bull shit...anybody got any percocete?? LOL

 

[Aaron S.]

making winstrol in injectable form does not negate the fact that it is still 17-alpha alkalated. I was talking with one of my buddies who was telling me he wasn't interested in making an oral winni because it was toxic that way. PLEASE tell me if i'm totally off point here but isn't injectible winni more dangerous because it's still just as toxic as an oral version and anything water based has a higher proclivity for bacteria to grown....i am right about this aren't i. I know some of you guys are freaking encyclopedias on these issues so help me out here if you can. I mean i have used MANY cc's of winni, mainly cause i seem to have site enhancement from it (no data to support my theory). But the guy with the Huge ass biceps that was on bigger stronger faster...this dude had to have been on site injectors cause no way it could have been anything else.

 

[Aaron S.]

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I screwed up and accidentally tried to use my TNE instead of test acetate. Figured it out and suspended the right stuff, same chem ratios as prop

 

[Aaron S.]

I would never admit this....no i'm gonna. It seems i got the acetate and base mixed up about a week ago. I have been putting acetate in my body in raw crystal form....Damn i thought this shit was starting to hurt more and more. every site i hit last week is still sore as hell. I can't even sleep right or bump a wall. Damn i'm an idiot. I should have realized something was wrong but i just chalked it up to repetitive shots. Don't ever take advice from me!!!

 

[keith1569]

lol freakin Aaron! thats funny only becuase you didnt have anything like an infection occur ha

tried to look up test ace detection time..heh i came up kinda empty..isnt prop 3 weeks..so test ace would be a little less