Sup,, I was wondering how long should I wait until.. I start my second cycle off 1-AD. Aslo should I even take 1-AD cause I'm 17 I know it slows down natural hormone production but how long does it take to be on the OK
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How long my off-cycle be after 4 weeks of 1-AD
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No...stay away from the stuff. It is best for middle age men not 17 yr olds.
LISTEN! Taking any prohormone or prosteriod at your age is a HUGE mistake. It will screw up your hormones for life. It could stunt your growth (for good), and many other things you don't want to think about--imagine your nuts never doing there job right for the rest of your life. Wait until you are 21. Yes, they will be illegal then, but there will be great products to replace prohormones. Until then, focus on whey and creatine for supplementation. With a good workout, diet, and lots of patience, you will have the body you want without screwing yourself up for life. At your age, it isn't even a gamble, it is a given: prohormones or prosteriods WILL cause irreversible damage.Deadly13 said:
Yup...testosterone starts to drop off as you get older. When I was 17 I could train all day everyday. If you need a testosterone boost at 17 perhaps you were neutered at birth.PirateFromHell said:It is better for them then a teenager
Yup...I'm 26 and the difference b/t 17 and 26 is like night and day. At 17 all I had to do was think about a 45 lb plate and I would grow, now I have to do everything perfect to make my training as productive as possible.trHawT said:
PirateFromHell said:
Can you show me any study where it says that taking PS when you???re 17+ years of age will mess up you???re natural test levels for life?
PirateFromHell said:It is better for them then a teenager
Sorry about that. Had to do it! I wouldn't necessarily say any type of pro-hormone is better for any type of individual. You're manipulating your own test levels, changing your body's natural functioning.
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I hear ya, dude, trust me! I'm the same way. I wish I had started to train in my youth, instead of in my early - mid twenties. At least I'm trying to live a healthy lifestyle (now) by eating right and utilizing resistance training/cardio. That's the way I see it.
No, I can't. Then again, I said "hormones", not natural test. Who is going to experiment with a teenager to see if he gets screwed up permanently? If the hypothesis is that PH or PS can cause hormonal imbalances or stunt growth, etc for the rest of your life, who is going to sign up their budding kid to see if it is true? Sure, there are some. Either way, the results wouldn't be in for at least 20 years. Looks like we won't know for sure until then. I don't keep references on hand, but there have been many documented cases of steroids causing these types of problems when used by high school athletes. . But, they were not scientifically controlled studies--because of the ethics issue. PS are not much different in the way they effect hormone levels and your body's response to the elevated levels. We don't need to give pregnant women crack, then monitor the baby to see what happens. It is down the road that people attribute current problems or deficiencies with earlier drug use. But you are right, I shouldn't have said "will". I should have said "could".KataMaStEr said:
PirateFromHell said:No, I can't. Then again, I said "hormones", not natural test. Who is going to experiment with a teenager to see if he gets screwed up permanently? If the hypothesis is that PH or PS can cause hormonal imbalances or stunt growth, etc for the rest of your life, who is going to sign up their budding kid to see if it is true? Sure, there are some. Either way, the results wouldn't be in for at least 20 years. Looks like we won't know for sure until then. I don't keep references on hand, but there have been many documented cases of steroids causing these types of problems when used by high school athletes. . But, they were not scientifically controlled studies--because of the ethics issue. PS are not much different in the way they effect hormone levels and your body's response to the elevated levels. We don't need to give pregnant women crack, then monitor the baby to see what happens. It is down the road that people attribute current problems or deficiencies with earlier drug use. But you are right, I shouldn't have said "will". I should have said "could".
Exactly man, I believe there have been reported cases of teens fucking this body up due to the use of steroids so have adults, BUT those cases are most likely of teen that did not know what in the world they where doing. If you stay on a cycle for too long it will have a negative effect, if you don???t follow up with PCT it could screw with you. For adults is the same thing, but you will find more teens uninformed about things like this then you do adults. So at the end they pay the price for being stupid enough not to research and understand what they are doing to their body. I don???t have anything against any athlete who is 17+ and has done their research and understands the risk they are taking by doing a PS cycle.
Also you can???t generalize; not every teen when they are 17 or so have the same development. If you???re 5???6??? tall 130lbs and want to grow a couple more inches, I would suggest against any PH/PS. If you???re 6??? tall 240lb been training for a few years and whant to do a cycle I will not against that person. At 17 I could easily grow a bear and pass myself as a 20 year old. And there are other kids that at 17 you would think they are in middle school b/c of that baby face. You know what I???m trying to say. I would say the majority of teens should not come near any PH/PS, but there are also those others that can do them successfully. So when someone comes in here asking for advice give it to them and also inform them of the risks. Instead of everyone jumping on the guy all at once, a lot of the time they have already made up their mind. So you can make sure they either do it right, or come out of here without any useful information and do it however they think it is and increase the risk further down the line.
PirateFromHell said:No, I can't. Then again, I said "hormones", not natural test. Who is going to experiment with a teenager to see if he gets screwed up permanently? If the hypothesis is that PH or PS can cause hormonal imbalances or stunt growth, etc for the rest of your life, who is going to sign up their budding kid to see if it is true? Sure, there are some. Either way, the results wouldn't be in for at least 20 years. Looks like we won't know for sure until then. I don't keep references on hand, but there have been many documented cases of steroids causing these types of problems when used by high school athletes. . But, they were not scientifically controlled studies--because of the ethics issue. PS are not much different in the way they effect hormone levels and your body's response to the elevated levels. We don't need to give pregnant women crack, then monitor the baby to see what happens. It is down the road that people attribute current problems or deficiencies with earlier drug use. But you are right, I shouldn't have said "will". I should have said "could".
I completely agree with Pirate. Although we're on this forum to build muscle you have to put things in perspective. Is it worth screwing with your endocrine system at such an early age just for a couple of inches on your biceps? Lifting iron isn't just about body measurements and 1RM bench presses, it's also about a healthy, sustainable lifestyle.
If you came to us in 5 years + and trained to your full natural genetic potential we'd probably have a different viewpoint. We don't say this stuff to drag you down, we say it help you.
PirateFromHell said:If you can grow a bear, you are the man.
same difference
I do agree that a teenager is going to do whatever he wants, and the guy has obviously made up his mind. Therefore, to help him do it the most responsible way possible is more helpful than telling him he is wrong. Very good point, indeed Katamaster (not sarcastic). But, I feel like he should be aware of what the risks are. They are pretty serious risks in my opinion.
Here's a post from BB.com from a 19 year old who ran a cycle and regretted it. Posted 7/12.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?threadid=301510
Good luck man. You might want to warn your girl
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?threadid=301510
Good luck man. You might want to warn your girl
I'm 20, and just got off a cycle of M1T (1st time). Although it did diminish, I dont think I really lost my sex drive on cycle. Is that possible? And I wasn't even using any 4ad. (20mg/day for 3 weeks)
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Hey You Might Have Sen This Before But I Have Asked To Take Andro They All Said No. Plus I Told A Story- When I Was 12 My Friend And I Were Out For Football. We Were Almost Top Ofthe Class, His Bro Also Played He Was 17, Playing Varsity. Well He Introduced My Friend To Roids. Bout A Month Later My Friends Bro Died, He Was Taking Like Half The Dose Of Andro, Half The Does Of Hgh, And Less Than Half Of The Test. Well 3 Months Later My Friend Died, 12 Fucking Years Old Man. He Was Taking Half What His Bro Was Taking. He Was Really Bad Looking When He Died- Bad Looking Skin - Very Pale With A Yellow Tint, Aggressive As All Hell. Even Beat Up His Gurlfriend And Her Sister. Sodont Mess With It. Plus Someone Asked If Anyone Could Show A Study. Well Guess What Search Naywhere For Teens And Prohormones And Prosteroids. Or I Could Send You A Fucking Copy Of My Friends Autopsy Report. Common Sense. I Know I Asked But The Only Reason Was Because Of My Size - And It Was Only To Ask As A Last Resort.
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Luke You Are 20 There Is A Difference There - I Know Just A Few Years But Still A Difference. Pplus The Drop In Sex Drive Will Not Happen On The Cycle- Your Test Is Through The Roof. But It Can Happen. Not Definetely But Can It May Take 3 Days May Take 6 Months Never Know.
I'm 26 and almost done with my second week of M1T (now at 20 mg. a day). The only time I want to screw is during the first 3 hours after taking the 4-AD. Without the 4-AD, I would forget what an erection feels like. Luckily, that is not the case. I know at the end of my cycle, my test is going to be negative. I'm considering HCG. Luke, I guess you are still young enough to have that teenage test production going on. I can sure get the job done with the 4-AD, but it has gone from 10 times a week to 2, straight up.Luke9583 said:
12 years of age is pushing it, I???m not surprises. I???m sure if you dig far enough you will also find adult out there 20+ who have screwed themselves up because of PH/PS. This stuff is not for everyone, for some people it will do nothing. Other will regret it for the rest of their life; what can I say, tuff luck.
PirateFromHell said:I'm 26 and almost done with my second week of M1T (now at 20 mg. a day). The only time I want to screw is during the first 3 hours after taking the 4-AD. Without the 4-AD, I would forget what an erection feels like. Luckily, that is not the case. I know at the end of my cycle, my test is going to be negative. I'm considering HCG. Luke, I guess you are still young enough to have that teenage test production going on. I can sure get the job done with the 4-AD, but it has gone from 10 times a week to 2, straight up.
I went for 4 weeks of M1T. First two weeks 5 mg a day, last two weeks 10 mg a day. And I could get it up at will and keep it up, I???m also 18. So here is a case where this tuff shut you down worst then it did me and I???m younger. You did take way more than I did, but at 5 mg a day I saw great gains until my 3rd week when I bumped it up to 10mg. This stuff works wonder for me even at low dosages. The only bad side effect I felt this stuff had on me was some acne that came back and that???s it.
Also I slept less for a few days during the cycle than I usually did, but I think that was more mental than anything else.
No, I don't sleep as long. It is physical, not mental. Yeah, I am taking too much. I shouldn't be at 20 mg a day. I think I will back down. Not seeing the gains I had hope for. It's almost been two weeks. I know I got the diet and routine down solid. Maybe, I'll go with a different brand next time. I couldn't get to bed last night after taking 20 mg, but I felt fine. Managed to get 6 hours in, though. Not bad for me. I prefer 7-8. So, Katamaster, if you had a beard and could pass for 20 at age 17, now that you are 18 you must be graying and look 35. Anyway, at your age, your natural test production is a tad higher than mine. I could feel mine changing in my young 20s. I am 27 now. Therefore, M1T would shut my nuts down faster than yours or the 20 yr old that chimed in earlier. It still works down there, but I can tell when my nuts are not too busy. They are trying to hibernate. 
Anyway, at your age, your natural test production is a tad higher than mine. I could feel mine changing in my young 20s. I am 27 now. Therefore, M1T would shut my nuts down faster than yours or the 20 yr old that chimed in earlier. It still works down there, but I can tell when my nuts are not too busy. They are trying to hibernate.
LMAO I look older but not that damn much as to look like I???m 35 
But I have always been that type of person that looked older than what I really am, people always use to give that strange look every time I told them my age. What brand of M1T are you taking? I took the one 1fast400 makes and I saw gains come first week I started taking it.
But I have always been that type of person that looked older than what I really am, people always use to give that strange look every time I told them my age. What brand of M1T are you taking? I took the one 1fast400 makes and I saw gains come first week I started taking it.Personally I can't wait for over the counter steroids to be banned. People/teens are always going to use drugs for a variety of reasons, but over the counter steroids are too much of a temptation to teens. When I was a teen and lifting I was sucked in to the crazy marketing claims but there was no full page glossy ads for "steroids". Personally I probally would have taken them if they were available to me as a teen, a teenager really doesn't know any better (most of them anyway).
If 12 yr olds are doing roids, they are most likely drinking and not eating properly..... probably drink coke all the time, and never drink water.......KataMaStEr said:
.I was HOPING for a decreased sex drive. I have to sit through weekly internation video confrences,occasionally sitting next to the president of the company, and even on cycle..... I was pitching tents thinking about my past weekend excursion or something.PirateFromHell said:I would forget what an erection feels like.
