How much more of this Presidency can you take?

[Decker]

If you can't see the absurdity of what you are saying, then there is nothing I can do for you.

Decker - "All modern conservatives are unintelligent and immoral. However, please drop your party affiliations long enough to pay attention to my constant droning."

What about liberals anyways? They are heartless powerhungery traitors. But they are equivocating masses of jelly w/ no real ideological center. Those are generalizations. They represent the backbone of today's conservative definition of the term 'liberal.' Notice how the two contradict each other so as to cover the bases. But that's another story.

I made a generalization about today's unintelligent/immoral/intentionally ignorant modern conservatives. I may paint with a broad brush but I'm dead-on accurate: Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage or Coulter--need I say more? You don't have to be a liberal to note the pungent bullshit emanating from that pile of human refuse.

But as I've said, apart from my generalized conclusion about modern conservatism, I have yet to find anyone that can destroy my arguments about the impropriey of this Bush administration. Believe me, I grow tired sometimes of criticizing these crooks, but that's part of the game of being a good citizen. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. How is one vigilant?--w/ a tireless critical eye.

 

[John H.]

We already know Pres. Bush???s tongue would snap off its roller if he ever told the truth. Now it seems that the Attorney General of the United States is also a liar. It seems that, in violation of federal law, Bush authorized the Federal Government to spy on its own citizens. He lied about it. Here???s more evidence of Big Brother???s domestic spying: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
Excerpt:
???The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.???

Here???s what Atty. Gen. Gonzales said about the spying that supposedly never took place:

NADLER: Number two, can you assure us that there is no warrantless surveillance of calls between two Americans within the United States?
GONZALES: That is not what the president has authorized.
NADLER: Can you assure us that it's not being done?
GONZALES: As I indicated in response to an earlier question, no technology is perfect.
NADLER: OK.
GONZALES: We do have minimization procedures in place...
NADLER: But you're not doing that deliberately?
GONZALES: That is correct.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000622.php

Looks like he lied to Congress the same way that the President lied to the American people.

My question, Is there anybody out there that still supports this president and/or administration? If so, why? And why shouldn???t Bush/Gonzales be subject to a vote of impeachment?

Hi Decker,

I NEVER DID. I did NOT trust him from the start. Nor did I vote for Nixon, Reagan, Bush (the father), etc. And I NEVER WOULD OR WILL. They gave me and give me absolutely no reason to trust them and what they have done - and not - proves me right.

Bush (George "Herbert Hoover" Bush, I call him "Herbert Hoover" because he is very much like Herbert Hoover the former President and that is when we had the Great Depression) started shooting off his mouth way before entering Iraq and I KNEW we were in trouble - BIG TROUBLE! When going into a fight you NEVER TELL SOMEONE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO BEFORE YOU DO IT - you DO IT FIRST and let what YOU DID speak for itself!

Take Care, John H.

 

[maniclion]

Seems to me when someone brings up a legitimate "bitch" about the current administration the ones who yell "QUIT BITCHING" are really just sick of getting their noses rubbed in the shit they helped squeeze out.

 

[clemson357]

What about liberals anyways? They are heartless powerhungery traitors. But they are equivocating masses of jelly w/ no real ideological center. Those are generalizations. They represent the backbone of today's conservative definition of the term 'liberal.' Notice how the two contradict each other so as to cover the bases. But that's another story.

I made a generalization about today's unintelligent/immoral/intentionally ignorant modern conservatives. I may paint with a broad brush but I'm dead-on accurate: Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage or Coulter--need I say more? You don't have to be a liberal to note the pungent bullshit emanating from that pile of human refuse.

But as I've said, apart from my generalized conclusion about modern conservatism, I have yet to find anyone that can destroy my arguments about the impropriey of this Bush administration. Believe me, I grow tired sometimes of criticizing these crooks, but that's part of the game of being a good citizen. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. How is one vigilant?--w/ a tireless critical eye.

"blah, blah, blah. I generalize the majority of the voting population based on my opinion of four people, and I am dead-on, 100% correct in every fiber of my being. I paint myself as an intelligent patriot with a tireless, vigilent, upstanding duty to maintain.... blah, blah, blah..."

 

[Decker]

Seems to me when someone brings up a legitimate "bitch" about the current administration the ones who yell "QUIT BITCHING" are really just sick of getting their noses rubbed in the shit they helped squeeze out.

I agree entirely. The 'bitching' or 'whining' protest of these folks is a primitive defense system to stem off any real analysis (or responsibility) for what's at hand. It's a text book way to bullshit oneself to avoid anxiety. Rather than have an honest assessment of the shortcomings, just scream, "SHUT UP" Christ, that sounds like a famous modern conservative loser on cable TV.

 

[lnvanry]

I agree entirely. The 'bitching' or 'whining' protest of these folks is a primitive defense system to stem off any real analysis (or responsibility) for what's at hand. It's a text book way to bullshit oneself to avoid anxiety. Rather than have an honest assessment of the shortcomings, just scream, "SHUT UP" Christ, that sounds like a famous modern conservative loser on cable TV.

Larry the Cable guy

 

[clemson357]

Maybe I'll generalize liberals based on four people: Jesse Jackson, Ted Kennedy, Bill Brady, and McKinney.

Based on this, all liberals are drunken idiots. They rely on their last name and their trust fund to get them through life. They play the race card whenever they open their mouths. They drive drunk off bridges, committing manslaughter, the victim of which is the object of their adulterous affair. They care so much for the secretary they are fucking behind their wife's back that they leave her at the bottom of a river for eight hours without contacting authorities in order to consult an attorney. They assault police officers with a closed-fisted strike to the face when they are asked to walk through metal detectors. They are brain dead cripples who spend thier life in a fruitless attempt to restrict the liberties of law abiding citizens based on illogical idealogies.


Wow, Deckert, I am starting to realize how convoluted you really are. It was hard for me to even type that, yet it is ever-present mode of analysis. Or maybe I should call it 'groupthink,' then I'll sound smart.

 

[Decker]

"blah, blah, blah. I generalize the majority of the voting population based on my opinion of four people, and I am dead-on, 100% correct in every fiber of my being. I paint myself as an intelligent patriot with a tireless, vigilent, upstanding duty to maintain.... blah, blah, blah..."

And how do you paint yourself? Maybe as a typical rightwing shill waiting for the next Hannity/Coulter/Limbaugh book to be released so that you'll have a position on topical matters. I don't. I give you more credit than that.

What's wrong with being a patriot? Why denigrate one of the supreme values of the republican right. Shouldn't we all be patriots?

Pardon me if I sound excessive on the Open Chat boards. Sometimes well-articulated principles sound a little turgid. (see Jefferson--the vigilance quote)

I really doubt the majority of the country agrees w/ the modern conservative intelligentsia. Then again, 1/2 the population is dumber than the average guy. So I guess anything is possible.

 

[Decker]

Maybe I'll generalize liberals based on four people: Jesse Jackson, Ted Kennedy, Bill Brady, and McKinney.

Based on this, all liberals are drunken idiots. They rely on their last name and their trust fund to get them through life. They play the race card whenever they open their mouths. They drive drunk off bridges, committing manslaughter, the victim of which is the object of their adulterous affair. They care so much for the secretary they are fucking behind their wife's back that they leave her at the bottom of a river for eight hours without contacting authorities in order to consult an attorney. They assault police officers with a closed-fisted strike to the face when they are asked to walk through metal detectors. They are brain dead cripples who spend thier life in a fruitless attempt to restrict the liberties of law abiding citizens based on illogical idealogies.


Wow, Deckert, I am starting to realize how convoluted you really are. It was hard for me to even type that, yet it is ever-present mode of analysis. Or maybe I should call it 'groupthink,' then I'll sound smart.

That would be a great trick b/c you don't know what you are talking about. That ham-handed analysis you typed misses the point entirely. Outside of the race card complaint, those are all personal attacks. When have I ever gone after Chimpy McCokespoon (aka pres. bush)? The draft dodger etc. I argued the issues.

The only time I got into personal invective was to illustrate Rush (ride the horse) Limbaugh's utter hypocrisy on the drug matter.

As far as your sudden slobbering affection for the word 'groupthink' here's some history. It's term coined by a psychologist as a homage to Orwell. It means when a person like you conforms his thought to fit the consensus of the group in order to fit in. The very opposite of the 'rugged individualism' so greatly valued by the MCs.

 

[lnvanry]

FYI- group think is a bad thing usually.

 

[Decker]

FYI- group think is a bad thing usually.

Your right. I missed the worst part of the concept. The result of groupthink is a type of thought process that's insulated from criticism or disagreeable facts. Jeez, just look at congress.

 

[clemson357]

As far as your sudden slobbering affection for the word 'groupthink' here's some history. It's term coined by a psychologist as a homage to Orwell. It means when a person like you conforms his thought to fit the consensus of the group in order to fit in. The very opposite of the 'rugged individualism' so greatly valued by the MCs.

Oh I am well aware of the definition. I was making fun of it because you used it in two or three consecutive posts. Its like the guy who ends every sentence with, "and whatnot." It doesn't make you sound smart.

 

[Decker]

Oh I am well aware of the definition. I was making fun of it because you used it in two or three consecutive posts. Its like the guy who ends every sentence with, "and whatnot." It doesn't make you sound smart.

It seems I've had that problem my whole life to be honest. But to be honest, I try not to let it get to me. To be honest....I have a craven need for validation...the only kind that you can honestly give me by calling me smart. To be honest, I really don't think competent debate is an attempt to 'sound smart', but to be honest, to some people it does.

 

[Decker]

and whatnot

 

[Tough Old Man]

Bush..The greatest thing known to man

 

[CowPimp]

I am all for small government and individual liberty, it is just hard to even get motivated to read up and be informed on the issue when you have to wade through so much partisan crap. It just get to the point where the phrase "President Bush has **insert negative commentary here**" is so annoyingly redundant that it is equivalent to a parrot in a cage squacking "polly want a cracker, polly want a cracker, polly want a cracker."

Well, if the negative comments are true, then I don't see a problem. Are you suggesting that he has done so many negative things that there is no point in paying attention to them anymore? I think as long as a politician, especially one with as much power as the president, is lying to the American public, doing something that is not in our best interests, doing something in which he has a vested interest, is breaking laws, or doing any sort of deed which citizens feel warrant discussion, then it should be discussed.

If you don't want to discuss it then don't. I don't see the point in coming into this thread and saying that there's not point in talking about this issue, because it is an issue in my eyes, so I should be able to talk about it.

 

[JordanMang]

You know, I won't try and argue the facts here. Bush has lied to the American people, but what seperates him from former Presidents is the fact that he got caught. I may not like some of the decisions Bush has made and I sure as hell may have changed my view on his ideas and decisions in the past 6 years, but I'll say this much - at least when he says something he does it. What he believes in he believes ( I'm sure someone else has said this before but to quote them ) President Bush believes the same thing Wednesday as he did Monday despite what may have happened Tuesday. Despite what people may think if you take just a look at the positive part of President Bush's past ( and stop concentrating on the negative which everyone does anyway ) you'd see his a pretty brilliant businessman. Say what you want, but that doesn't come without a bit of toe stepping and some "underhanded things", and had the American people done their research BEFORE they pushed the blue button well then we wouldn't have these problem. Right now all we can do is just try and ride out the next 2 years and hope we don't evade yet another country in that time, and maybe we can get someone who isn't a moron ( not necessarily Republican or conservative ) just someone who isn't a idiot to run for President. I won't lie, I feel kind of afraid, even anxious about where the U.S. is going at this point. I think the next 50 years will become increasinly interesting.

 

[maniclion]

"To change is to learn" he makes mistakes but doesn't learn from them sign of a fool.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Weather people like GWB or not, they are stuck with him.

The only people to blame, are Americans themselves.

Good job, Americans.

2 full years, and 6 months to go.

 

[CowPimp]

You know, I won't try and argue the facts here. Bush has lied to the American people, but what seperates him from former Presidents is the fact that he got caught.

Actually, Clinton got caught too, and he was impeached because of it. He wasn't convicted, but he was put on trial nonetheless. Also, if you remember, Nixon was caught for his lies and indicted.

I may not like some of the decisions Bush has made and I sure as hell may have changed my view on his ideas and decisions in the past 6 years, but I'll say this much - at least when he says something he does it. What he believes in he believes ( I'm sure someone else has said this before but to quote them ) President Bush believes the same thing Wednesday as he did Monday despite what may have happened Tuesday.

I think that's a horrible characteristic. The world we live in is an extremely dynamic place, and we need someone who is a dynamic thinker to be involved in helping it run smoothly. Things change, and so should opinions and ideas based on what occurs in the world. Some people call it being stern or firm, but I call it being stubborn.

Despite what people may think if you take just a look at the positive part of President Bush's past ( and stop concentrating on the negative which everyone does anyway ) you'd see his a pretty brilliant businessman.

Yes, if you only look at the good things, then he will look good. Same goes for anyone...

Say what you want, but that doesn't come without a bit of toe stepping and some "underhanded things", and had the American people done their research BEFORE they pushed the blue button well then we wouldn't have these problem.

Yeah, people should do their research, this is true. Unfortunately, most people think that watching Fox is sufficient enough research. Also, the Republicans perpetrated a massive campaign to supress voter turnout, because it is proven that the more people who vote the higher the number of democratic votes. That's not a good sign. In fact, one of my boss' clients who I'm training while he's away volunteered up in Ohio and told me about how tactics of fear were used to scare people from voting.

Right now all we can do is just try and ride out the next 2 years and hope we don't evade yet another country in that time, and maybe we can get someone who isn't a moron ( not necessarily Republican or conservative ) just someone who isn't a idiot to run for President. I won't lie, I feel kind of afraid, even anxious about where the U.S. is going at this point. I think the next 50 years will become increasinly interesting.

I can handle a Republican president, but not a goddamned neocon fundamentalist gloablizing retard.

 

[The Monkey Man]

I wouldn't have a problem with all this globalization crap if
the US economy wasn't directly suffering from it...

But he's destroying our manufacturing base, and in turn, our national skills level,
global worth, and ability to defend ourselves in an emergency

 

[thefutureisnow]

We already know Pres. Bush???s tongue would snap off its roller if he ever told the truth. Now it seems that the Attorney General of the United States is also a liar. It seems that, in violation of federal law, Bush authorized the Federal Government to spy on its own citizens. He lied about it. Here???s more evidence of Big Brother???s domestic spying: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
Excerpt:
???The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.???

Here???s what Atty. Gen. Gonzales said about the spying that supposedly never took place:

NADLER: Number two, can you assure us that there is no warrantless surveillance of calls between two Americans within the United States?
GONZALES: That is not what the president has authorized.
NADLER: Can you assure us that it's not being done?
GONZALES: As I indicated in response to an earlier question, no technology is perfect.
NADLER: OK.
GONZALES: We do have minimization procedures in place...
NADLER: But you're not doing that deliberately?
GONZALES: That is correct.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000622.php

Looks like he lied to Congress the same way that the President lied to the American people.

My question, Is there anybody out there that still supports this president and/or administration? If so, why? And why shouldn???t Bush/Gonzales be subject to a vote of impeachment?

Okay. What they do is they have these supercomputers that collect information on which number calls which and stores them in huge databases. Then it looks for patterns or links to suspected terrorist operatives. No conversations are recorded. This is not being analyzed by a person, it's being analyzed by a computer. This has been leaked by someone inside the NSA. Have you ever heard of classified information? The reason they don't tell us about it is so the terrorists don't gain and upperhand by circumventing methods used by the NSA. Congress was briefed about this program and they had the full knowledge of what was going on. And there is no reason to worry if you're not communicating with terrorists. Contact your phone company, they're the ones who turned over your records. I'm sick and tired of people blaming the President or Congress for trying to protect our country. Do you really think that if we would just sit back and do nothing that there wouldn't be another terrorist attack? If you answered yes, then you are a complete idiot. These people are sworn enemies of us. They would like to see everyone in America killed.

-J

 

[thefutureisnow]

I can handle a Republican president, but not a goddamned neocon fundamentalist gloablizing retard.

You do realize that Bush is not alone in his decision to take this country to war to defend our freedoms. Plans to invade Iraq and Afghanistan have been thought up long before Bush came into office. Bush just had the right circumstances, 9/11, to enact those plans. Our president may seem dumb because he's inarticulate and not as smooth talking as "Slick Willy", but he's a graduate of Yale and Harvard. The man is not stupid. History will show that he made the best possible decision for the country that he could make, like it has many other Presidents in the past. And you could've just said he's a very strong conservative, which he really isn't because he hasn't vetoed a single money spending bill, you didn't need to use words that the majority of people aren't going to understand.

-J

 

[DOMS]

You do realize that Bush is not alone in his decision to take this country to war to defend our freedoms. Plans to invade Iraq and Afghanistan have been thought up long before Bush came into office. Bush just had the right circumstances, 9/11, to enact those plans. Our president may seem dumb because he's inarticulate and not as smooth talking as "Slick Willy", but he's a graduate of Yale and Harvard. The man is not stupid. History will show that he made the best possible decision for the country that he could make, like it has many other Presidents in the past. And you could've just said he's a very strong conservative, which he really isn't because he hasn't vetoed a single money spending bill, you didn't need to use words that the majority of people aren't going to understand.

-J

Slick Willie was better at hiding the crap that he did. The funny thing is that most people here who reminisce about the good ol' days of Bill, don't seem to know how much he did for corporations and how much he did to damage an individual's privacy and rights.

DMCA anyone?

 

[CowPimp]

You do realize that Bush is not alone in his decision to take this country to war to defend our freedoms. Plans to invade Iraq and Afghanistan have been thought up long before Bush came into office. Bush just had the right circumstances, 9/11, to enact those plans. Our president may seem dumb because he's inarticulate and not as smooth talking as "Slick Willy", but he's a graduate of Yale and Harvard. The man is not stupid. History will show that he made the best possible decision for the country that he could make, like it has many other Presidents in the past. And you could've just said he's a very strong conservative, which he really isn't because he hasn't vetoed a single money spending bill, you didn't need to use words that the majority of people aren't going to understand.

-J

I know he's not alone, but he did it, and it's not turning out too good. The fact that he lied in order to gather public support for the endeavor doesn't help him either.

So what if he graduated from Yale? When your daddy is filthy rich alumni and contributes all kinds of money to your college then you can pass with 2.0, certainly. That doesn't say as much as it would for someone like me or you graduating from an ivy league school. We would have to earn our way into the school, not be bought into it.

I don't think history will show he made the best possible decision. How can you say that? Can you predict the future? Are you using any indicators of the current situation of our global standing or the current state of affairs in Iraq to make this assumption? I don't think you are, because things aren't looking too good from where I'm sitting.

I said what I thought should be said. I don't need to dumb it down for other people. That's just ridiculous.

 

[BigDyl]

Anyone that can take much more of this presidency is a masochist. So, yes, all of Topolo's play mates qualify.

 

[topolo]

Believe me, when GW is gone I am a happy camper, but this is a non-issue.

hater

 

[JordanMang]

The only way Bill Clinton learned to speak as well as he does is all those years he spent chasing cheap pussy in backneck Arkansas bars.

 

[min0 lee]

The only way Bill Clinton learned to speak as well as he does is all those years he spent chasing cheap pussy in backneck Arkansas bars.

We should send Bush there.

 

[BoneCrusher]

The only people still loyal to Bush are the egotistical types unable to admit that they backed the wrong horse or that their party screwed the country. If you still back Bush produce something with SOURCES that shows he has made good leadership choices. Skip the onesy-twosy crap cuz I'm talkin policy here and keep the opinionated BS to your self ... be ready to produce stats and sources.