How much T3 to avoid monster catabolism, and how long?

[heartofalion]

My current cycle is 500 Test/Wk (gradually increased from 250), 875 Tren Ace/week (gradually increased from 350), 500 Deca/week (gradually increased from 250). I'm 8 Weeks in and have run T3 at 50mcg throughout.

Is it time to stop the T3? Taper off, or fine to stop at 50?

Caber, Letro and Torem, amongst a host of supports.

I'm leaning out even at 5500-6k calories a day. I do notice though that i'm not packing on nearly as much as if I hadn't run T3.

 

[tinyshrek]

I just end t3 I think, maybe 2-3 days to recover but I never experience any issues or crash. And to be honest you won't notice a damn thing running that much tren lol. You will be fine, just kill it

 

[~RaZr~]

I think you will be fine as long as you don't ramp up the dosage to triple digits.

Now if you start having tremors, a rapid heart beat, or muscle cramping...you might be going into toxicity or your dosage is too high.

 

[XYZ]

My current cycle is 500 Test/Wk (gradually increased from 250), 875 Tren Ace/week (gradually increased from 350), 500 Deca/week (gradually increased from 250). I'm 8 Weeks in and have run T3 at 50mcg throughout.

Is it time to stop the T3? Taper off, or fine to stop at 50?

Caber, Letro and Torem, amongst a host of supports.

I'm leaning out even at 5500-6k calories a day. I do notice though that i'm not packing on nearly as much as if I hadn't run T3.

With tren being so strong you could go up to 100mcgs ED without issue. The more you take the bigger the increase in appetite.

T3 will make some guys look "flat", sounds like it is happening to you. Once you taper off, and increase your carbs you'll fill out, or just add some anadrol.

 

[XYZ]

I just end t3 I think, maybe 2-3 days to recover but I never experience any issues or crash. And to be honest you won't notice a damn thing running that much tren lol. You will be fine, just kill it

2-3 days to recover? Where did that come from, did you get blood work done?

 

[heartofalion]

^That's exactly what i'm doing... Adding Drol... And Dbol. Drol at 50, Dbol at 25 to 30. That's how i'm closing out the cycle, as well as how I started it.

 

[fsoe]

I have never noticed any crash on t3 and I have gained 8lbs and dropped my BF ovet the last 12 weeks on hgh , tren, t3 and several other compounds --- I think the t3 crash may be over stated -- by the way I have used as high as 75mcg for 14 weeks and never noticed anything

 

[~RaZr~]

I think it's a misconception that when you are on T3, that you will get a buzz or "feel" something. It's not like albuterol or clenbuterol, it takes time to kick in.

Yes you might get sweaty, have an elevated temperature and will lose weight, but you are supplementing what we believe is a normal functioning thyroid gland.

 

[tinyshrek]

2-3 days to recover? Where did that come from, did you get blood work done?

Yup. Felt tired for a few days and back to normal. Of course that could also have been getting off tren and ECA too. But my thyroid lebvels were normal a few days after my diet ended and I was up to 100mcg. I think tapering isn't needed

 

[XYZ]

Yup. Felt tired for a few days and back to normal. Of course that could also have been getting off tren and ECA too. But my thyroid lebvels were normal a few days after my diet ended and I was up to 100mcg. I think tapering isn't needed

I think tapering is user dependent. I know if I just stop at 50mcgs, it take 4-6 weeks to recover and that's with running it for 10-12 weeks. Tapering down, it only takes 2-3 weeks.

ECA will fry your adrenals faster than anything, ECA will leave you feeling lethargic as hell if you abuse it enough.

You're lucky if you recovered that fast, it doesn't take long for some (you) but others it can take up to 8 weeks.

 

[tinyshrek]

Geez.. Never knew that. Good info xyz

 

[MattPorter]

My current cycle is 500 Test/Wk (gradually increased from 250), 875 Tren Ace/week (gradually increased from 350), 500 Deca/week (gradually increased from 250). I'm 8 Weeks in and have run T3 at 50mcg throughout.

Is it time to stop the T3? Taper off, or fine to stop at 50?

Caber, Letro and Torem, amongst a host of supports.

I'm leaning out even at 5500-6k calories a day. I do notice though that i'm not packing on nearly as much as if I hadn't run T3.

With your doses --- the word catabolism is not an issue.

I would personally ride 25 mcg out for 5 days then 12.5 mcg --- then be off. Hell, what kind of shape were you in to merit T3 + 800 mgs of tren? Tren alone would shred people up rather easily.....

Or if you simply wanted to stay leaner while eating more freely than once again tren could have done well with that. I personally dislike messing with thyroid as I have a super fast RMR.

-Matt

 

[heartofalion]

With your doses --- the word catabolism is not an issue.

I would personally ride 25 mcg out for 5 days then 12.5 mcg --- then be off. Hell, what kind of shape were you in to merit T3 + 800 mgs of tren? Tren alone would shred people up rather easily.....

Or if you simply wanted to stay leaner while eating more freely than once again tren could have done well with that. I personally dislike messing with thyroid as I have a super fast RMR.

-Matt

I began at about 13%bf and wanted to get as close to single digits as possible, while still adding noticeable lean mass. I've run T3 once before in a strict cutting cycle, and loved the quick, consistent results. This is more of a recomp, but my calories are in the 5k range to try to take advantage of Tren's magic. I have some chest and belly fat that I would love to shed, which is the main reason for T3 here. In hindsight, sure T3 probably wasn't the way to go at this point, but it served its fatloss purpose. Of course, at the expense of the substantial gains Tren at 875 would produce, but I enjoy experiencing what various compounds do to my body, with ample research of course.

That being said, I started tapering at 25mcg that day and will then taper down to 12.5mcg, then off. I don't feel much of a need to use it next time.

 

[BP2000]

I think tapering is user dependent. I know if I just stop at 50mcgs, it take 4-6 weeks to recover and that's with running it for 10-12 weeks. Tapering down, it only takes 2-3 weeks.

ECA will fry your adrenals faster than anything, ECA will leave you feeling lethargic as hell if you abuse it enough.

You're lucky if you recovered that fast, it doesn't take long for some (you) but others it can take up to 8 weeks.

I found out the hard way! I was feeling sluggish and tired and couldn't figure out what was wrong. I was on cal deficit and using ECA and not using salt (iodine). It took me a few months to recover and had to take adrenal support tabs w/ Pregenlone

 

[blergs.]

dont go any higher and stop soon i think your fine. i woudl say 6-8wks cycles of T3 seem the norm

 

[stfuandliftbtch]

With tren being so strong you could go up to 100mcgs ED without issue. The more you take the bigger the increase in appetite.

T3 will make some guys look "flat", sounds like it is happening to you. Once you taper off, and increase your carbs you'll fill out, or just add some anadrol.

is this from experience? because it's hard for people to take advice from someone who doesn't even have any pics up...all this gear info your giving is from reading shit on the internet, right? if you have all this info to give out, make sure you've actually experienced it yourself. Stop hiding behind the computer...take some pics, post them(should be impressive with all this info you're giving right?), or stfu.

Don't talk the talk if you dont walk the walk son.

 

[tinyshrek]

is this from experience? because it's hard for people to take advice from someone who doesn't even have any pics up...all this gear info your giving is from reading shit on the internet, right? if you have all this info to give out, make sure you've actually experienced it yourself. Stop hiding behind the computer...take some pics, post them(should be impressive with all this info you're giving right?), or stfu.

Don't talk the talk if you dont walk the walk son.

bro XYZ has been around a while and knows his shit. And pics dont mean shit! plenty of big and shredded dudes that are dumb as shit and dont know a damn thing so a avatar dont mean anything. Think ya need to do some research yourself before you post some stupid shit like this

 

[XYZ]

is this from experience? because it's hard for people to take advice from someone who doesn't even have any pics up...all this gear info your giving is from reading shit on the internet, right? if you have all this info to give out, make sure you've actually experienced it yourself. Stop hiding behind the computer...take some pics, post them(should be impressive with all this info you're giving right?), or stfu.

Don't talk the talk if you dont walk the walk son.

Son? Boy, I've got years on you so check your ego at the door.

My experience is what it is, don't like it? Don't try and stir the pot.

Anyone with half a brain who has asked for help has received sound advice. If they didn't, I pointed them in the right direction.

I don't see what good posting up pictures of myself on a message board about illegal substances can do.

It does make me wonder why I am on your mind all the time, you homo?

 

[SloppyJ]

Homo for sure.


Xyz gave me some advice on T3 and it has been working perfectly for me. I trust him more than anyone on the board.

Pics don't prove shit, and your decisions speak for themselves. Doing Self prescribed TRT in your 20's. Scamming Stores out of $40. The list keeps going. You continue to make horrible decisions and give advice that no one should follow.

 

[rage racing]

I have recieved sound advice from XYZ and respect his opinions. He has helped me out with my upcoming cycle and appreciate his input.