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Mudge said:
I think if someone is going to go HALF WAY then they would be better off not even knowing the substances existed. Stay legal, dont ever have to worry about health issues, getting busted, all that stuff. I dont see someone popping pills and nothing more generally speaking, having blood pressure meters at home, getting blood work done, etc etc

If you aren't looking for serious gains (eventually reaching a point where you stay on 9 months out of the year) then you can forget orals IMO. I believe in either all the way or not at all, I dont compromise well.

Why take all the risks when you wont have much of the gains to show for it, if you want to look like Brad Pitt then go find something else.
See, but this is wrong my friend. I already said, I know National Level competitors...that I have worked with...that won't do a needle and have been 245 and 3% bodyfat...shredded to the bone, winning major shows, etc. The fact that you MUST use injectables is a myth...gainswise anyway. With dbol, adrol, anavar, winstrol, primobolan, halotestin, etc, you can be an absolute freak. You may end up quite unhealthy, but you can reach close to the top of the totem pole. It may not be the smartest way to go, but injectables are not the only way.
 
I wouldn't say mudge is wrong about anything. He didn't really say gains couldn't be achieved with orals only. It can be done...but why?

I was absolutely terrified of needles before my first cycle, but when you want something badly enough, you will find a way.
 
I am not saying you can't do well, I dont believe its healthy. Moving from anadrol/dbol stacks and then cutting on mass amounts of halo/winny/var? Just not something I would personally do to myself, thats all :)

I'm no needle lover and my first stick took me 30 minutes, but I feel its the best route, orals are an addition to the injectables for me and I do take breaks from them (as right now).
 
gopro said:
The fact that you MUST use injectables is a myth...gainswise anyway. With dbol, adrol, anavar, winstrol, primobolan, halotestin, etc, you can be an absolute freak.
Ok, how 'bout we say, you MUST use injectables to run a relatively safe cycle. Geez Gopro, don't go giving newbs the impression it's ok to do long term oral only cycles. :)

I don't care what level someone is at, running 17aa oral only cycles for long periods of time is just plain stupid.
 
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gopro said:
With dbol, adrol, anavar, winstrol, primobolan, halotestin, etc, you can be an absolute freak.
Who would wanna be a freak with no liver? Worse yet...a freak with a limp rod? :eek:
 
Can any of you guys read???:rolleyes:

I mentioned again and again how much more unhealthy doing all orals is than doing a combo of injectables and orals. When I said that Mudge was wrong, it was because I thought he was implying that you cannot make the same kind of gains with orals as you can with a combo of the two. Maybe I misread what he wrote, and if I did I apologize.

Now, don't preach to me about preaching to anyone, newbies or vets, that its ok to run long term orals...or long term anything, because as you know, I am against the use of steroids for EVERYONE except those at the highest levels of competition. And even then, I wish they didn't exist at all.

So, "stay natural," is what I preach! :cool:
 
I dont doubt that, football players told of dbol sitting on tables in big bowls for anyone to grab a handfull, all kinds of stories like that with heavy oral use. Much easier to adminster, I can see the attraction there.

How long would someone live though? Someone would have to have a pretty stout liver to make it through heavy use like that I think. Some people have it, some dont.
 
Mudge, do you still have that pic of kids waiting in line to get a shot? This would be a good time to post that pic. ;)
 
Mudge said:
I dont doubt that, football players told of dbol sitting on tables in big bowls for anyone to grab a handfull, all kinds of stories like that with heavy oral use. Much easier to adminster, I can see the attraction there.

How long would someone live though? Someone would have to have a pretty stout liver to make it through heavy use like that I think. Some people have it, some dont.
No doubt...all oral cycles are gonna spank the liver...and while some might actually survive it, many others could get seriously hurt. My only point is, people ARE doing it.
 
easy answer.. DONT DO ORAL CYCLES ONLY.
 
The fact that you MUST use injectables is a myth...gainswise anyway.
he should rephrase that, instead of saying must he should say should. I got respect for your knowledge gopro, but I gotta majorly disagree with ya bro. There may be some exceptions to the rule, but if you are gonna seriously be juicing and you can't do the needle thing, you might as well forget it IMO. And not even specifically teh liver b/c the liver damages, while pertanent, and also exaggerated. Its just not as productive plain and simple. Orals have their place, but the pillar or staple of your cycle is foolish. You can't be on as long for starters and I could go on and on. everyone knows teh deal with it. You say people ARE doing it, well that may be but since what point in human history has it been a good idea to do domething just b/c others are doing it! if you want to get serious, you need to start injecting your AAS, ya feel me..
 
What up Mon! An all oral cycle huh? Well I've never personally danced like that before.Halo/ winnie/ D bol sounds like liver recipe for concrete, mortar,gravel.Dawg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quit play'n and bust out them 22's and 23's. Step on tha wild side and let your nuts hang homey ! Peace and Love PS to my Homeys I'm 47-0-0 , 2: 27 2nd round, KO,Friday, Japan, Hisoroma Dome, I'm still represent'n! Much Love
 
Mikhal said:
Dawg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quit play'n and bust out them 22's and 23's. Step on tha wild side and let your nuts hang homey !
Yo Mikhal! Good to see you bro. 22's? That's a harpoon to my candy white ass. Nothing but 25's here. :)
Peace and Love PS to my Homeys I'm 47-0-0 , 2: 27 2nd round, KO,Friday, Japan, Hisoroma Dome, I'm still represent'n! Much Love
Congratulations! 47 and 0. You ARE da man.
 
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