huge first cycle?

[willus72]

while roaming around i came across this as a first timers cycle. it seems really long for a first timer but i figured id ask because it seems like it may be ok. what do you all think? :

weeks 1-4 500 mg test ent 25 mg dbol
weeks 4-8 500 mg test ent 25 mg dbol 10 mg nolva 25mg prov
weeks 9-10 5000 hcg 10 mg nolva 25 mg prov
weeks 11-16 200 mg primo 100 mg winny
weeks 17-18 5000 hcg
weeks 18-22 100 mg clen

i dont know seemed a little long let me know what you all think.

 

[Mudge]

I would start from square one, and yes its pretty darn long. I just "finished" a cycle about that long.

Virtually the whole cycle I disagree with, including the HCG useage.

 

[willus72]

yeah it seemed a little wicked to me at least for a first timer anyways. but i did like the idea of finishing off the test and dbol then moving right into primo then clen. wouldnt this help keep the gains. i dont know much about how to use the hcg or any of that. but the way the different shit was stacked was kind of interesting. do you think that the same results could be had by just adding the primo or eq in during the test/dbol? that seems like alot of shit to me but it also seems like there would be good quality involved. or do you just think a nice little test/ eq would give the same results?
hey mudge how do you like all the different threads i have going, lol? im a little everywhere tonight, sorry if i get obnoxious, lol.

oh what do you think about adding the clen at the end? i dont know anything about the stuff.

 

[Mudge]

Keep gains = diet, PCT. If you have shrunken nads and only a traditional PCT you may have trouble holding those gains because your test factory is under capacity for awhile. 250-500iu twice a week is the current "standard" and it seems to work great for everyone keeping them normalized through the whole cycle, instead of waiting till the bearings (balls) are burned out and then rebuilding.

Primo? Too widely faked, too expensive

First cycle? Just run test, of course I wanted to try more stuff but my source was moderately pricey and I was broke, and really I did great with just test. More drugs usually IMO does NOT = more gains, diet diet diet.

Nobody needs to have a 5x or 10x higher than normal test level to make gains only 20-30 pounds above your natural limit, and really I dont think a lot of people know their natural limit anyway because most people dont know how to diet.

I'm not saying I'm a diet guru but I will never shut up about it, because I know first hand how important it is, now more than ever.

Never used clen probably never will, I've tried T3 and still have some left, its kind of nice to help but since I am not on gear assitance there is only so much weight I can lose per week before I lose LBM, and so far I have NOT lost even a 1/16th inch off any muscle group, nor have I lost strength. Hopefully it stays that way.

If you dont know about it, then know what you need to before you start anything. This is yet another reason, to keep it simple. Dont confuse yourself with 6 different compounds and trying to figure out your diet at the same time. You are likely to either push yourself into being broke, having health problems that you have no idea what is causing it because you've never tried those different compounds before or ran them alone, blah blah blah. The list goes on, test first, figure the diet and PCT - and worry about getting exotic and going broke later on.

If I were to break the test only rule I would love to go with dbol, but it may induce gyno and if you find out your sensative to it then test + dbol could be a real trouble maker. Anadrol or anavar if I felt like spending more, anadrol could be a gyno problem as well and could cause you BP issues. There are many things to consider here. Its almost like being a new doctor and trying to do 5 operations on a patient at the same time.

 

[Power Rabbit]

My favorite rule is KISS

(Keep It Simple Stupid)

i think clen at the end really isnt going to do much...its anti catabolic tendencies arent great...save it for a cutting cycle

 

[willus72]

okay, yeah i hadnt planned on this cycle, like i said i found it and wanted to know what people thought of it. i personally would never part with the cash for a cycle like that. i could probably only afford test anyways, lol. just learning. right on thanks

 

[juicedbeachbum]

huge first cycle = huge waste of $$$. Not only do you not need that much, but running cycles for that duration will only increase side effects.

I like everything Mudge said. To add to that, I like clen post-cycle. It's a good anti-catabolic and will help you maintain low bf when the test drops off. Like Mudge said, HCG is good to run sometime during the cycle, but good PCT usually includes Nolva or clomid afterwards.