Humans are viruses with shoes

[Crono1000]

My point was that I've seen more rabid vegetarians than those who eat meat. Which is counter to what Crono said.

ah, I'm guilty of something. I've devoted so much time in previous debates straying from being accusing but I let it slip this time. I've spent my time in pro/con vegetarian arguments enough and I choose to avoid them now, I find myself typing or saying the same thing over and over. And while I've actually had good results from my take on it, it's such a tiring and exhausting procedure just to get someone to respect that I've decided something for myself and I respect them for accepting it.

Basically what we have here is a very serious case of labeling and absolutism. As soon as one person says they're a vegetarian someone else must argue against it,not because of their choice but because what they expect from that person and what it stands for. A "vegetarian" is not someone who doesn't eat meat in a non vegetarian's head, it's a person who is overly defensive, wrongfully self rightious, PETA loving hippy. A "non vegetarian" to vegetarians is someone who is uneducated, heartless, and an ignorant extremist. No one cares what I do or don't eat. That's where labeling comes in. And then as the friction begins to heat up people begin to polarize one way or the other until both sides are farther and farther from one another to the point that they don't even know why they hate each other, and absolutism takes in.

So there, I just saved you 50 pages of how vegetarians have sex with animals and non vegetarians would eat their own young if it were legal.

 

[DOMS]

ah, I'm guilty of something. I've devoted so much time in previous debates straying from being accusing but I let it slip this time. I've spent my time in pro/con vegetarian arguments enough and I choose to avoid them now, I find myself typing or saying the same thing over and over. And while I've actually had good results from my take on it, it's such a tiring and exhausting procedure just to get someone to respect that I've decided something for myself and I respect them for accepting it.

Basically what we have here is a very serious case of labeling and absolutism. As soon as one person says they're a vegetarian someone else must argue against it,not because of their choice but because what they expect from that person and what it stands for. A "vegetarian" is not someone who doesn't eat meat in a non vegetarian's head, it's a person who is overly defensive, wrongfully self rightious, PETA loving hippy. A "non vegetarian" to vegetarians is someone who is uneducated, heartless, and an ignorant extremist. No one cares what I do or don't eat. That's where labeling comes in. And then as the friction begins to heat up people begin to polarize one way or the other until both sides are farther and farther from one another to the point that they don't even know why they hate each other, and absolutism takes in.

So there, I just saved you 50 pages of how vegetarians have sex with animals and non vegetarians would eat their own young if it were legal.

Fair enough.

I don't mind, or really care, if people decide to be vegetarians. Like I said, my concern was that KelJu was falling prey to propaganda.

Besides, the more vegetarians there are, the more meat there is for me.

And don't worry about having an accusatory tone with me. I go way fucking past that in my arguments.

 

[Witchblade]

I'm with DOMS. It's a stupid propaganda movie.

Speciecism is fucking bullshit. If all 'earthlings' were equal, you shouldn't kill plants or insects either. Hell, you'd have to include micro-organisms too.

Secondly, this movie is so biased it just hurts watching it. As DOMS mentioned, the average animal is definitely not raised this way. The conditions shown in this documentary aren't even remotely close to how animals or cattle are normally treated. They even said so in the video, those conditions aren't legal.
As for the consumers, by buying meat, you can only assume it was processed in a legal manner. If it wasn't, the fault lies with the producer, not with the consumer.

Finally, Man eats meat. That's life. Lions kill buffalos. Dogs kill birds. Fish eat fish. Life is about balance and that balance is obtained by the combination of a struggle for life and survival of the fittest. In this life it just so happens to be Man is the fittest and Cow is not. Tough luck (pun intended).

Now don't get me wrong. I do not agree with the way the animals in this video are treated. Legal actions should be taken against the producers and all animals raised for food should be able to live decent lives. As Nature meant things to be.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Could you eat meat after your first day? I couldn't eat beef for over a week.. the smell made me gag after working there.. then I was desensitized of course, and started eating it again.

The smells are something you don't ever forget, but the sounds were worse. Some memories i wash i didn't have.

 

[maniclion]

If all we ate were veggies/fruits then we would be in direct competition with all of the herbivores we eat now, that would require us to block of more land and try to keep the numbers of herbivores down to save our soul source of food. Lands would become over farmed, more pesticides/herbicides would be scattered and animals would die useless deaths in the wild probably more slow and agonizing than at a slaughterhouse, and of course the more prey for predators the more predators there would be and a predatory animal isn't going to kill mercilessly nor would it wait for the prey to come to a mature age.


As I said I prefer fish and poultry as my main source of protein. I have on occasion eaten beef, but I try to steer clear of it because of my families history of heart disease(my father ate a lot of red meat. As far as pork goes I quit eating it when I read that it is the most likely to be what human flesh tastes like rather than the usual tastes like chicken belief...I gagged the last time I tried to eat pork thinking of human flesh....

 

[maniclion]

My favorite thing to tell new vegetarians is that most cheeses are made with Rennet, an coagulant enzyme from calf bellies which is obtained after slaughtering calves for veal.....that usually kills most of their meal plans and they have to spend more time trying to find other protein sources or checking their cheeses to find out if it uses real rennet or a substitute...

 

[danzik17]

My favorite thing to tell new vegetarians is that most cheeses are made with Rennet, an coagulant enzyme from calf bellies which is obtained after slaughtering calves for veal.....that usually kills most of their meal plans and they have to spend more time trying to find other protein sources or checking their cheeses to find out if it uses real rennet or a substitute...

That ball of mozzarella I had a couple of hours ago was SO damn worth it.

 

[SYN]

good documentary. i tried going vegan a few times. never worked. i love meat. i think vegans and animal rights activists should stop trying to get other people to not eat meat and spend more time trying to establish more humane ways of harvesting that meat.

Guiltless grill? Is there another kind?