I hope Sarah Palin gets raped by her father and has a retarded cyclops baby.

[SYN]

we should test AKIRA's wolf or man debate on her.

fuqin rite

 

[busyLivin]

YouTube Video

This woman just needs to die.

ok, this is pretty stupid. Amidst the filth you spew, your argument is revolving around the natural process of nature... abortion being necessary.. arborting handicapped babies... lion's eating their wounded cubs... all natural.

which you follow up with an argument that sarah palin should die because she's a hunter. In case you forgot, humans are historically carnivorous. we are NATURAL hunters. We kill innocent animals & consume them. It's not pretty, but it's natural.

pick a side.

Also, your mom's argument was population control is a benefit of abortion. Sarah palin instituted the wolves reward as population control. So if I understand it correctly, it's ok to kill humans to control population, but not animals....

pick a side.

 

[Little Wing]

ok, this is pretty stupid. Amidst the filth you spew, your argument is revolving around the natural process of nature... abortion being necessary.. arborting handicapped babies... lion's eating their wounded cubs... all natural.

which you follow up with an argument that sarah palin should die because she's a hunter. In case you forgot, humans are historically carnivorous. we are NATURAL hunters. We kill innocent animals & consume them. It's not pretty, but it's natural.

pick a side.

Also, your mom's argument was population control is a benefit of abortion. Sarah palin instituted the wolves reward as population control. So if I understand it correctly, it's ok to kill humans to control population, but not animals....

pick a side.

Tesla used the nature stuff because someone said we should let "nature" take it's course rather than abort. and we are all for animal population control to keep herds and animals healthy and in check. if a hunting season is called for to control numbers it should be done in a way that is a little more sporting than shooting fish in a barrel. the aerial slaughter is shameful as is the illegal slaughter of helpless pups pulled from their den.

btw Tesla hunts partridge herself but said she'd have to be pretty hungry to shoot a deer.

and my argument was not to population control but quality of life.

 

[DOMS]

Also, your mom's argument was population control is a benefit of abortion. Sarah palin instituted the wolves reward as population control. So if I understand it correctly, it's ok to kill humans to control population, but not animals....

Exactly.

 

[KelJu]

ok, this is pretty stupid. Amidst the filth you spew, your argument is revolving around the natural process of nature... abortion being necessary.. arborting handicapped babies... lion's eating their wounded cubs... all natural.

which you follow up with an argument that sarah palin should die because she's a hunter. In case you forgot, humans are historically carnivorous. we are NATURAL hunters. We kill innocent animals & consume them. It's not pretty, but it's natural.

pick a side.

Also, your mom's argument was population control is a benefit of abortion. Sarah palin instituted the wolves reward as population control. So if I understand it correctly, it's ok to kill humans to control population, but not animals....

pick a side.

Human's are not Carnivors. Humans are Omnivores.

 

[busyLivin]

and my argument was not to population control but quality of life.

Fine, quality of life. Then by your reasoning we should kill the wolves now so they can't mature & have more wolves that will just be slaughtered by the horrible humans.

Wolves are being shot.. I agree it's hard to see. But babies are being ripped out with a claw. Put it into perspective.

 

[KelJu]

Also, your mom's argument was population control is a benefit of abortion. Sarah palin instituted the wolves reward as population control. So if I understand it correctly, it's ok to kill humans to control population, but not animals....

pick a side.

This is horseshit and you know it. A full grown wolf is a sentient creature. A 3 week old fertilized human egg is a puddle of goo with no neurological functions whatsoever.

The two can't be compared.

 

[suprfast]

Fine, quality of life. Then by your reasoning we should kill the wolves now so they can't mature & have more wolves that will just be slaughtered by the horrible humans.

Wolves are being shot.. I agree it's hard to see. But babies are being ripped out with a claw. Put it into perspective.

Slippery slope.

Animals usually live better lives when hunted then being raised and slaughtered in a slaughter house. I say usually because being shot with an assault rifle from a helicopter could allow an animal to suffer for quite some time before finally being put down.

BTW, check out a real abortion procedure. No doctor is "RIPPING OUT" any fetuses. Yes, they are removing them but you are attempting to sound biased(as am I) by giving support to your argument before you make a statement. If asked to a regular citizen about RIPPING OUT babies from a mother or terminating a fetus(both are the same) answers would differ greatly because of the original wording.

There is population control and killing of innocent animals. Then, there is lunch.

 

[busyLivin]

This is horseshit and you know it. A full grown wolf is a sentient creature. A 3 week old fertilized human egg is a puddle of goo with no neurological functions whatsoever.

The two can't be compared.

You said the abortion debate sucks and you just brought up one of the biggest points of contention. I'm not getting into that debate. I respect your opinion, respect mine by not calling it horseshit.

 

[SYN]

ok, this is pretty stupid. Amidst the filth you spew, your argument is revolving around the natural process of nature... abortion being necessary.. arborting handicapped babies... lion's eating their wounded cubs... all natural.

which you follow up with an argument that sarah palin should die because she's a hunter. In case you forgot, humans are historically carnivorous. we are NATURAL hunters. We kill innocent animals & consume them. It's not pretty, but it's natural.

pick a side.

Also, your mom's argument was population control is a benefit of abortion. Sarah palin instituted the wolves reward as population control. So if I understand it correctly, it's ok to kill humans to control population, but not animals....

pick a side.

That is not hunting. Hunting is when you get all dressed to match your surroundings, mask your sent, and then spend hours walking trough the woods, trying to track an animal in hopes of making a kill shot so that you can put some meat on your table. Climbing into a helicopter and shooting down a black animal in a sea of white is not hunting, it's mindless slaughter.

The reasoning behind the wolf killing program is to kill wolves and bears so that there are more game for people to shoot. They claim that the wolves are completely responsible for the declining numbers in game animals, and not their over hunting, poaching, or lack of hunting reinforcement. Another reason they've given for aerial wolf hunts is that wolves started venturing into neighborhoods in search of food because there isn't much left in the wild.
Instead of getting some chain link fence and gating their communities from unwanted intrusions of wildlife, or starting farms to breed more game animals so that there's plenty for the wolves and the humans to hunt, or even just having an open ended hunting season where local hunters have to buy a license and every hunter has a limit on how many animals they can shoot, until the numbers of the wolf population were brought back down to a manageable/healthy level they decided to just climb in a helicopter and gun them down because they were too lazy to come up with a better solution.

I am all for the conservation of wildlife, and if that means population control by means of respectful hunting so be it, but slaughtering hundreds of healthy and happy animals that have committed no other crime than eating the moose you wanted on your wall is not hunting. I didn't see any of the wolves in the videos I watched being dropped with one shot. They suffered before they died. A fetus being aborted dies instantly with no knowledge of what's happening. A child being beaten to death or drowned by a woman who got drunk or high on crack and mad because that baby is her fathers baby, doesn't.

Fine, quality of life. Then by your reasoning we should kill the wolves now so they can't mature & have more wolves that will just be slaughtered by the horrible humans.

Wolves are being shot.. I agree it's hard to see. But babies are being ripped out with a claw. Put it into perspective.

You have a screwed up perspective if that's what you think an abortion is.

There are 'medical abortions' that can only be done during the first nine weeks where they give the woman Mifepristone (Mifeprex), to block progesterone. Without progesterone the lining of the uterus will thin and the pregnancy will end.

Then there are 'Surgical abortions' Where the doctor removes the lining of the womb, by manual vacuum aspiration and can only be carried out during the first ten weeks of pregnancy. The doctor injects the cervix with a numbing agent, the cervix is then stretched open with a dilator and a tube is inserted. The uterus is emptied through this tube.

No big scary claws anywhere.

This is what a baby looks like at 10 weeks.

80% of abortions occur at week 10 or sooner, when your baby is just a little squishy glob of meat. Before it's organs are complete and working, and before it even has any neurological connection between it's brain and the rest of it's body.

http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/index.htm

The images you see on sites like this are often fake or something else entirely that some guy with a white collar claims is a a photo of an aborted fetus. I've seen these so called aborted fetuses, in art galleries, stories about miscarriage, and premature birth. Some of them are sculptures, some of them are babies who just died inside their mother and had to be removed, and some of them are just babies that were born way sooner than they were supposed to. But some religious nut decided to say "If I show these horrible images and tell people it's an aborted baby, they will become sympathetic to my cause" and everybody cries.

This is what a real aborted fetus looks like.

It's not as gruesome as father jakov wants you to believe.

With every anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-contraceptive celibacy movements I see founded by various religious groups not to mention those people that have 19 kids and counting, the more I think it is just their big ploy to outnumber the rest of us who don't want to take part in their psycho-babel and take over the world.

 

[Little Wing]

DOMS, try reading the post preceding yours.

we are all for animal population control to keep herds and animals healthy and in check. if a hunting season is called for to control numbers it should be done in a way that is a little more sporting than shooting fish in a barrel. the aerial slaughter is shameful as is the illegal slaughter of helpless pups pulled from their den.

and busyLivin, "Fine, quality of life. Then by your reasoning we should kill the wolves now so they can't mature & have more wolves that will just be slaughtered by the horrible humans."

wtf was that? you're getting wayyy out on a limb. that was just ridiculous.

 

[KelJu]

You said the abortion debate sucks and you just brought up one of the biggest points of contention. I'm not getting into that debate. I respect your opinion, respect mine by not calling it horseshit.

Your not arguing an opinion. You are twisting the points little wing made into absurdity.

And like a sore tooth you can't stop rubbing your tongue against, I keep looking at this thread.

 

[suprfast]

Speaking of the whore. She is speaking at our CSU today and the school was shut down and blocked all the way around to prevent anyone on campus. I know this is off topic, but there is zero admittance to the campus that I spend thousands of dollars on a year as a student. I cannot use any of the resources that I paid for.

 

[busyLivin]

Your not arguing an opinion. You are twisting the points little wing made into absurdity.

One of us isn't keeping up. The opinion I asked respect for was that life began at conception. You called it bullshit.

I have nothing against little wing. My feelings on abortion aren't a secret, and her argument is inconsistent.

 

[busyLivin]

and busyLivin, "Fine, quality of life. Then by your reasoning we should kill the wolves now so they can't mature & have more wolves that will just be slaughtered by the horrible humans."

wtf was that? you're getting wayyy out on a limb. that was just ridiculous.

How's that? I'm using your logic.

You just said that abortion is acceptable because the quality of life for the 40 million killed would be so bad, that many would rather be dead.

I just said the wolves are going to grow up to be hunted, be in agonizing pain... basically having a terrible quality of life.. we might as well put them down early, too.

How's that a stretch, or even a deviation?

 

[busyLivin]

Speaking of the whore. She is speaking at our CSU today and the school was shut down and blocked all the way around to prevent anyone on campus. I know this is off topic, but there is zero admittance to the campus that I spend thousands of dollars on a year as a student. I cannot use any of the resources that I paid for.

Wah.. She's bringing in a shit-ton of money for your school (the whole idea of having her speak). Deal with it for one day.

You really don't have any allowance for the security around her? She's polarizing, and whether you agree with her or not, she needs extra security.

Besides Obama, I can't think of anyone else who would need more.

 

[Little Wing]

Federal Judge Blocks Alaska's Wolf-Kill Plan - CBS News


Caribou are an important subsistence food for people living on the island in the Aleutian chain in southwest Alaska, but herd numbers have dwindled from more than 1,200 in 2002 to about 400 now.

clearly something needs to be done but it seems killing wolves has not helped. maybbeeee men are eating too many caribou? they want to kill 7 wolves. how many friggin caribou can 7 wolves eat in a year? usually when a man hunts he takes a whole animal for himself 7 hunters of the human variety 7 dead prey. a wolf pack shares 1.

maybe we need a bounty on men.

 

[busyLivin]

For the record, I'm not a Palin fan anymore. She doesn't seem to have an original thought in her head. She's a conservative PR person, nothing more. She holds no office, yet so many people are so threatened by her. It would be funny if it wasn't pathetic.

 

[Little Wing]

One of us isn't keeping up. The opinion I asked respect for was that life began at conception. You called it bullshit.

I have nothing against little wing. My feelings on abortion aren't a secret, and her argument is inconsistent.

my argument is not inconsistent and you are twisting things into absurdity. there is a difference between a living breathing wolf and a gelatinous mass of nothing.

do you know most fertilized human eggs are naturally aborted by God's design. they do not even implant. eggs are fertilized when they are free floating and only implant under perfect uterine conditions. so i guess God really doesn't give a shit if this LIFE gets expelled as waste material. in the 6 to 8 days after fertilization before this LIFE actually becomes attached to the mother MOST are flushed out of the body with female secretions or menstrual flow, unceremoniously and unnoticed BY NATURE not man. by your logic God is an abortionist.

http://reason.com/archives/2004/12/22/is-heaven-populated-chiefly-by

What are we to think about the fact that Nature (and for believers, Nature's God) profligately creates and destroys human embryos? John Opitz, a professor of pediatrics, human genetics, and obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Utah, testified before the President's Council on Bioethics that between 60 and 80 percent of all naturally conceived embryos are simply flushed out in women's normal menstrual flows unnoticed. This is not miscarriage we're talking about. The women and their husbands or partners never even know that conception has taken place; the embryos disappear from their wombs in their menstrual flows. In fact, according to Opitz, embryologists estimate that the rate of natural loss for embryos that have developed for seven days or more is 60 percent. The total rate of natural loss of human embryos increases to at least 80 percent if one counts from the moment of conception. About half of the embryos lost are abnormal, but half are not, and had they implanted they would probably have developed into healthy babies.

 

[suprfast]

Wah.. She's bringing in a shit-ton of money for your school (the whole idea of having her speak). Deal with it for one day.

You really don't have any allowance for the security around her? She's polarizing, and whether you agree with her or not, she needs extra security.

Besides Obama, I can't think of anyone else who would need more.

Yes being in Chicago makes you an expert in my school.

Your first statement has been found FALSE. Eve Hightower is the PR for CSU Stanislaus and documentation she released said money for this event will not be used towards scholarships. This is the exact opposite of what the foundation of the school said she was coming for.

Second, it is not ONE DAY. This is the 50th anniversary celebration of education at our school. Not exactly the speaker you want since she doesn't support higher education.

Lastly, no one says she cannot speak at CSU Stan. We have however said she is the wrong speaker for the event. She is more than welcome to speak tomorrow, the day after, the month after, the year after. She should not be speaking at an event the doesn't coincide with her own values.

Your quick google skills left you with yet another argument filled with misinformation.

I guess I am not done. I can think of a lot of people that would need more security than palin. She is a "movie star" now. I never have seen a campus locked up or an event caged for Brad Pitt or Tom Hanks. I have seen less security measures at former presidents book signings.

 

[busyLivin]

Yes being in Chicago makes you an expert in my school.

Your first statement has been found FALSE. Eve Hightower is the PR for CSU Stanislaus and documentation she released said money for this event will not be used towards scholarships. This is the exact opposite of what the foundation of the school said she was coming for.

Second, it is not ONE DAY. This is the 50th anniversary celebration of education at our school. Not exactly the speaker you want since she doesn't support higher education.

Lastly, no one says she cannot speak at CSU Stan. We have however said she is the wrong speaker for the event. She is more than welcome to speak tomorrow, the day after, the month after, the year after. She should not be speaking at an event the doesn't coincide with her own values.

Your quick google skills left you with yet another argument filled with misinformation.

I guess I am not done. I can think of a lot of people that would need more security than palin. She is a "movie star" now. I never have seen a campus locked up or an event caged for Brad Pitt or Tom Hanks. I have seen less security measures at former presidents book signings.

I don't even know where to begin, so I think I'll just pass

 

[suprfast]

I don't even know where to begin, so I think I'll just pass

Was this too simple yet over your head. Seems to be very common with your arguments on this thread.

 

[busyLivin]

Yes being in Chicago makes you an expert in my school.

I need to be an expert on your school to know speakers bring in money?

Your first statement has been found FALSE. Eve Hightower is the PR for CSU Stanislaus and documentation she released said money for this event will not be used towards scholarships. This is the exact opposite of what the foundation of the school said she was coming for.

Maybe it's not going for scholarships, but the school is making a ton of money, which is why Palin can charge so much to speak.

Your quick google skills left you with yet another argument filled with misinformation.

What would I have needed to google?

I guess I am not done. I can think of a lot of people that would need more security than palin. She is a "movie star" now. I never have seen a campus locked up or an event caged for Brad Pitt or Tom Hanks. I have seen less security measures at former presidents book signings.

Not really seeing what you're saying here, but Palin needs a lot of security, much more that the likes of Brad Pitt or Tom Hanks.

 

[busyLivin]

Was this too simple yet over your head. Seems to be very common with your arguments on this thread.

I definitely wasn't connecting with what you said, so maybe it was over my head, but I gave it a shot anyway.

 

[Little Wing]

http://reason.com/archives/2004/12/2...ted-chiefly-by

What are we to think about the fact that Nature (and for believers, Nature's God) profligately creates and destroys human embryos? John Opitz, a professor of pediatrics, human genetics, and obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Utah, testified before the President's Council on Bioethics that between 60 and 80 percent of all naturally conceived embryos are simply flushed out in women's normal menstrual flows unnoticed. This is not miscarriage we're talking about. The women and their husbands or partners never even know that conception has taken place; the embryos disappear from their wombs in their menstrual flows. In fact, according to Opitz, embryologists estimate that the rate of natural loss for embryos that have developed for seven days or more is 60 percent. The total rate of natural loss of human embryos increases to at least 80 percent if one counts from the moment of conception. About half of the embryos lost are abnormal, but half are not, and had they implanted they would probably have developed into healthy babies.



most fertilized human eggs are naturally aborted by God's design. they do not even implant. eggs are fertilized when they are free floating and only implant under perfect uterine conditions. so i guess God really doesn't give a shit if this LIFE gets expelled as waste material. in the 6 to 8 days after fertilization before this LIFE actually becomes attached to the mother MOST are flushed out of the body with female secretions or menstrual flow, unceremoniously and unnoticed BY NATURE not man. by your logic God is an abortionist.

cricket... cricket....

 

[Little Wing]

This is what a real aborted fetus looks like.

It's not as gruesome as father jakov wants you to believe.

it's still sad. if i were god i would give you a perfect world. every child would be wanted and be born into a loving home.

 

[busyLivin]

http://reason.com/archives/2004/12/2...ted-chiefly-by

What are we to think about the fact that Nature (and for believers, Nature's God) profligately creates and destroys human embryos? John Opitz, a professor of pediatrics, human genetics, and obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Utah, testified before the President's Council on Bioethics that between 60 and 80 percent of all naturally conceived embryos are simply flushed out in women's normal menstrual flows unnoticed. This is not miscarriage we're talking about. The women and their husbands or partners never even know that conception has taken place; the embryos disappear from their wombs in their menstrual flows. In fact, according to Opitz, embryologists estimate that the rate of natural loss for embryos that have developed for seven days or more is 60 percent. The total rate of natural loss of human embryos increases to at least 80 percent if one counts from the moment of conception. About half of the embryos lost are abnormal, but half are not, and had they implanted they would probably have developed into healthy babies.



most fertilized human eggs are naturally aborted by God's design. they do not even implant. eggs are fertilized when they are free floating and only implant under perfect uterine conditions. so i guess God really doesn't give a shit if this LIFE gets expelled as waste material. in the 6 to 8 days after fertilization before this LIFE actually becomes attached to the mother MOST are flushed out of the body with female secretions or menstrual flow, unceremoniously and unnoticed BY NATURE not man. by your logic God is an abortionist.

cricket... cricket....

Is this somehow supposed to justify abortion? People die of natural causes everyday, but one person killing another is still murder.

btw...I hope you don't feel I'm attacking you.. I'm attacking your arguments.

 

[Little Wing]

Is this somehow supposed to justify abortion? People die of natural causes everyday, but one person killing another is still murder.

btw...I hope you don't feel I'm attacking you.. I'm attacking your arguments.

i know and i think you have a really good heart. too much of the world doesn't and i think it's a softer death to be returned to God before you suffer at the hands of a parent who didn't want you or a society with no place for you but a hellish existence where many kids just want to die or go from a loveless childhood to the streets then prison.

i'm not trying to justify abortion i'm justifying it being legal. i see it as the lesser of two evils. i do not believe an aborted baby suffers, i believe a child existing in a life with no love suffers greatly and that to add millions of kids to the foster care system would make it a colder more damaging place than it is now.

 

[maniclion]

Every time you anti-abortionists spill your seed into nothingness your wasting the potential for life....stop masturbating, only time you can orgasm is while trying to conceive otherwise you're killing a baby that could have been....

 

[SYN]

How's that? I'm using your logic.

You just said that abortion is acceptable because the quality of life for the 40 million killed would be so bad, that many would rather be dead.

I just said the wolves are going to grow up to be hunted, be in agonizing pain... basically having a terrible quality of life.. we might as well put them down early, too.

How's that a stretch, or even a deviation?

When an animal is killed by a hunter it usually dies instantly. It is a little harder to make an accurate kill shot when you are bobbing around in the air.

It is a complete stretch of what both I and LW said because both of us clearly stated that we support the control of animal populations by means of hunting and fishing. What's going on in Alaska is NOT hunting. It's people cheating at what is supposed to be a fair challenge.

Speaking of the whore. She is speaking at our CSU today and the school was shut down and blocked all the way around to prevent anyone on campus. I know this is off topic, but there is zero admittance to the campus that I spend thousands of dollars on a year as a student. I cannot use any of the resources that I paid for.

Sue her for impeding your education. I'm not surprised that they had it blocked off like that though, I imagine there are a lot of people that would like to have her severed forearm on a platter.

Was this too simple yet over your head. Seems to be very common with your arguments on this thread.

TryingHard did the same thing before walking out with his tail between his legs. All it shows is that they have no proof, no scientific data, and no real rebuttal other than 'gods will'. And when that gets turned back in their face they really don't have much else left to say.

btw...I hope you don't feel I'm attacking you.. I'm attacking your arguments.

No harm no foul. This is a debate not a gun fight. All arguments are open to harassment.

Every time you anti-abortionists spill your seed into nothingness your wasting the potential for life....stop masturbating, only time you can orgasm is while trying to conceive otherwise you're killing a baby that could have been....

I'm going to start reping posts I don't give a shit about so I'll stop getting that stupid message every time I try to give you points.

YouTube Video

Sorry for the shit quality, but...All the complications? Her mothers body was trying to kill it off NATURALLY, because it was deformed and unhealthy. And a bunch of doctors helped keep her alive because hey, all the surgeries that kid will probably need will put their kids through collage, and her mother decided she would rather birth a child that is going to grow up being miserably alienated from society, than deal with the pain of losing a child.

YouTube Video

Sounds like she's really enjoying that meal...Would this girls life be so much worse if she'd been aborted?
I think it is much more noble for a woman to put her emotions of grief aside and spare an innocent child from a world where people shun others for their deformities or limited mental capabilities. I also think it is more noble for a woman to bear her rapists child; to look at her situation and say "It was horrific and brutal, and the worst day of my life, but it blessed me with this beautiful child"
But I can understand not wanting to do either.

For the record, I don't know how well aware the general population is of it (it has been banned and rightfully so) but there used to be a type of abortion called a 'partial birth abortion' that could be done up to the 9 month mark, where they actually induce labor, and partially deliver the baby. While it's head is still inside they would take surgical scissors and basically jam them up into the base of the babies skull, then use the scissors to open the hole and use a vacuum to suck out the babies brains. This is disgusting and fucking inhumane, and I'm glad that it has been outlawed. If it's most of the way out there is no point in killing it.

Unless it comes out looking like one of these freak babies: