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If the Election were tomorrow?
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I love guns and hate the re-distribution of wealth......oh and anyone who uses the phrase "Won Life's Lottery" to describe someone who earns over 30K a year. The Dems love that one.
It's gotta be BUSH
It's gotta be BUSH
I think we know where I currently stand on this issue. So I voted...Once.
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Dale Mabry said:
Yeah, but that's only because you're a dumb ass who can't count any higher than that.
LMFAO ... them dumbass demo's tossin their votes to the third party is gonna kill 'em again. 
Why are so you against Bush, Robert?
As a small biz owner, I'd expect you to be riding the wave with him. Kerry is sure to try and kill your hard work. (He'll tell you something different to get your vote).
As a small biz owner, I'd expect you to be riding the wave with him. Kerry is sure to try and kill your hard work. (He'll tell you something different to get your vote).
I don't want to sound repetitive, but I've never actually disliked - or hated - someone like I hate Bush.
Obviously, we all have are own opinions. I think he is crazy, and his religious zealots that he surrounds himself with are possibley more nuts.
Bush is the most religious President, as far as using his religion to shape public policy of any President ever.
As Carl Bernstein recently said, Bush is the "most radical President of the last 100 years." Even moreso than FDR.
Bush has irrevocably changed this country with the legislation that has been passed in the Patriot Acts I and II, and the attempted passing of the Total Information Awareness Acts.
Obviously, we all have are own opinions. I think he is crazy, and his religious zealots that he surrounds himself with are possibley more nuts.
Bush is the most religious President, as far as using his religion to shape public policy of any President ever.
As Carl Bernstein recently said, Bush is the "most radical President of the last 100 years." Even moreso than FDR.
Bush has irrevocably changed this country with the legislation that has been passed in the Patriot Acts I and II, and the attempted passing of the Total Information Awareness Acts.
I think taxes should go across the board, everybody pay a certain percentage.
I heard Dennis Kucinich had a good education platform for our colleges. But like he had a chance of being elected! hahaha! Shit! Only the rich can get a good education anymore! tuition keeps going up and up and up. I'll never go at this rate!
I would never shop at Walmart! Not until I hear they treat their employees right.
Anyways I want to support the small business owner, even if it does cost more. We tree-huggers out here love being iconoclasts, so we go out of our way not to shop at chain businesses. In my neighborhood, the Burger King got shut down, and just recently, an unheard of thing....yes a McDonalds closed, right across the street!!
hehehe!
Heck, I get all my food from different places now, cause thats how it works out.
Bring back the Mom&Pop stores! wooo hooo! peace!
I heard Dennis Kucinich had a good education platform for our colleges. But like he had a chance of being elected! hahaha! Shit! Only the rich can get a good education anymore! tuition keeps going up and up and up. I'll never go at this rate!
I would never shop at Walmart! Not until I hear they treat their employees right.
Anyways I want to support the small business owner, even if it does cost more. We tree-huggers out here love being iconoclasts, so we go out of our way not to shop at chain businesses. In my neighborhood, the Burger King got shut down, and just recently, an unheard of thing....yes a McDonalds closed, right across the street!!
hehehe!
Heck, I get all my food from different places now, cause thats how it works out.
Bring back the Mom&Pop stores! wooo hooo! peace!
Mr_Snafu said:
When you think about it, FDR was pretty scary! Shit, I had to go to court today, and throw all my metal stuff in a tray. Ewwwwww! Man, i didnt want nobody lookin at all my contraband!
At least they gave my knife back to me when I left the building.
I agree with Robert, I hear from small business people all the time, they need more breaks. get rid of some of this red tape.
You think Kerry is going to give those breaks? First thing that guy does in office will be to raise taxes.
Let's look at Kerry's voting record on taxes, shall we?
1989-90: Votes against considering a capitol gains tax cut.
1993-94: Votes against spending reductions ??? an amendment to reduce budget spending by $94 billion. Votes for the largest tax increase in American history.
1995-96: Votes against balancing the budget ??? a bipartisan plan to balance the books in seven years.
1997-98: Votes against approving a GOP budget to cut spending and taxes. Votes against a balanced-budget constitutional amendment.
1999-2000: Votes against reducing federal taxes by $792 billion over 10 years.
2001: Votes against the Bush tax cut ??? a $1.35 trillion tax cut package to reduce income-tax rates, alleviate the ???marriage penalty??? and gradually repeal the estate tax. Votes to reduce Bush???s proposed tax cut ceiling by $448 billion over 10 years.
You really think Kerry is going to help small businesses? Not likely. He'll raise taxes and in the process kill alot of small businesses. Corporations will lay off more people to offset their increased taxes, etc. If Kerry wins, you better start saving those pennies.
You know folks, talk is cheap. The way to find out what kind of President Kerry will make is by looking at his voting record. Don't listen to what he says, look at what he's done. It doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Let's look at Kerry's voting record on taxes, shall we?
1989-90: Votes against considering a capitol gains tax cut.
1993-94: Votes against spending reductions ??? an amendment to reduce budget spending by $94 billion. Votes for the largest tax increase in American history.
1995-96: Votes against balancing the budget ??? a bipartisan plan to balance the books in seven years.
1997-98: Votes against approving a GOP budget to cut spending and taxes. Votes against a balanced-budget constitutional amendment.
1999-2000: Votes against reducing federal taxes by $792 billion over 10 years.
2001: Votes against the Bush tax cut ??? a $1.35 trillion tax cut package to reduce income-tax rates, alleviate the ???marriage penalty??? and gradually repeal the estate tax. Votes to reduce Bush???s proposed tax cut ceiling by $448 billion over 10 years.
You really think Kerry is going to help small businesses? Not likely. He'll raise taxes and in the process kill alot of small businesses. Corporations will lay off more people to offset their increased taxes, etc. If Kerry wins, you better start saving those pennies.
You know folks, talk is cheap. The way to find out what kind of President Kerry will make is by looking at his voting record. Don't listen to what he says, look at what he's done. It doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Since I have info here, here's more of his voting record:
Military defense:
Votes to Cut Defense Spending by 2% (S. Con. Res. 29, CQ Vote #49, Apr 25, 1991)
Votes to Slash Over $3 Billion from Defense (H.R. 2707, CQ Vote #182, Sep 10, 1991)
Votes to Cut $6 Billion from Defense (S. Con. Res. 106, CQ Vote #73, Apr 9, 1992)
Votes Against Military Pay Raise (S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #73, Mar 24, 1993)
Kerry Introduces Plan To Cut Numerous Defense Programs:
-Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews
-Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one
-Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force
-Terminate the Navy???s coastal mine-hunting ship program
-Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces
in one year.
(S.1163, Introduced Jun 24, 1993)
Voted YES to freeze defense spending for 7 Years, slashing over $34 Billion from defense. (S. Con. Res. 13, CQ Vote #181, May 24, 1995)
Voted NO on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. Conference Report on H.R. 927; Bill H.R. 927 ; vote number 1996-22 on Mar 5, 1996
Voted NO on considering deploying National Missile Defense, and amending ABM Treaty. Bill S 1635 ; vote number 1996-157 on Jun 4, 1996
Voted YES on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions. Motion to table the Lugar Amdt #3156.; Bill S. 2159 ; vote number 1998-201 on Jul 15, 1998
Voted NO on deploying missile defense as soon as possible. Bill S 1873 ; vote number 1998-262 on Sep 9, 1998
Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. Bill S.1059 ; vote number 1999-147 on May 26, 1999
Voted NO on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion. H.R. 2606 Conference Report; Bill H.R. 2606 ; vote number 1999-312 on Oct 6, 1999
Education:
Voted NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. Bill S.1513 ; vote number 1994-236 on Jul 27, 1994
Voted NO on $75M for abstinence education. Bill S 1956 ; vote number 1996-231 on Jul 23, 1996
Voted NO on school vouchers in DC. DC Appropriations Act; Bill S. 1156 ; vote number 1997-260 on Sep 30, 1997
Voted NO on education savings accounts. H.R. 2646 Conference Report; Bill H.R. 2646 ; vote number 1998-169 on Jun 24, 1998
Voted NO on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. Motion to Invoke cloture on Jeffords Amdt #31; Bill S. 280 ; vote number 1999-35 on Mar 9, 1999
Voted NO on Educational Savings Accounts. Bill S.1134 ; vote number 2000-33 on Mar 2, 2000
Government:
Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts. Murkowski Amdt to S. 1061; Bill S. 1061 ; vote number 1995-339 on Jul 28, 1995
Voted NO on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. Reference: S. J. Res. 1; Bill S. J. Res. 1 ; vote number 1997-24 on Mar 4, 1997
Voted YES on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. Campaign Finance Reform Bill; Bill S. 25 ; vote number 1997-267 on Oct 7, 1997
Voted NO, killing an amendment that would increase the amount of the budget that would be used to reduce the national debt by $75 billion over 5 years. Bill S Con Res 101 ; vote number 2000-55 on Apr 5, 2000
Immigration:
1996: Voted to continue chain migration which has been the primary reason for annual immigration levels snowballing from less than 300,000 in 1965 to around a million today. Sen. Kerry voted AGAINST both the Simpson Amendment and the Feinstein Amendment to S. 1664.
1997: Voted to grant legal status to Nicaraguans and Cubans who had lived in the United States illegally since 1995, along with their spouses and minor unmarried children. The overall ten year impact of this legislation will be the addition of some 967,000 people to U.S. population. There was no separate vote on the amnesty, as it was included in the DC Appropriations bill.
2000: Voted to include an amnesty for illegal aliens from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Haiti in the Senate H-1B bill (S.2045). The move to include the amnesty with the H-1B legislation failed 43-55 in a procedural vote on the Senate floor
Taxes: (again)
Voted YES To Keep 1993 Gas Tax Increase. (H. R. 8, CQ Vote #183: Motion Rejected 40-59: R 40-15; D 0-44, 7/13/00)
Voted YES To Increase Gas Tax By 6 Cents Per Gallon. (S. 3209, CQ Vote #280: Rejected 45-55: R 8-37; D 37-18, 10/18/90)
Voted NO on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. Bill HR.4810 ; vote number 2000-215 on Jul 18, 2000
Voted NO on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. Bill HR 1836 ; vote number 2001-165 on May 23, 2001
Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. Bill HR.2 ; vote number 2003-196 on May 23, 2003
Voted Against A Balanced Budget Amendment At Least Five Times. Several times in the mid-nineties the Senate took up the Balanced Budget Amendment. Kerry voted five times against the amendment. (S. J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #24: Rejected 66-34: R 55-0; D 11-34, 3/4/97, Kerry Voted Nay; H.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #158: Rejected 64-35: R 52-1; D 12-34, 6/6/96, Kerry Voted Nay; H.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #98: Rejected 65-35: R 51-2; D 14-33, 3/2/95, Kerry Voted Nay; S. J. Res. 41, Roll Call Vote #48: Rejected 63-37: R 41-3; D 22-34, 3/1/94, Kerry Voted Nay; S. J. Res. 225, Roll Call Vote #45: Rejected 66-34: R 43-10; D 23-24, 3/25/86, Kerry Voted Nay)
The enviroment:
Voted YES on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. Bill HR.2107 ; vote number 1997-242 on Sep 17, 1997
Voted NO on more funding for forest roads and fish habitat. Motion to table Bryan Amdt. #1588; Bill H.R. 2466 ; vote number 1999-272 on Sep 14, 1999
Other:
Voted NO on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. Flag Desecration Bill; Bill S. J. Res. 31 ; vote number 1995-600 on Dec 12, 1995
Voted NO on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. Bill S Con Res 57 ; vote number 1996-140 on May 22, 1996
Voted NO on banning human cloning. Motion to invoke cloture on motion to proceed to S. 1601; Bill S. 1601 ; vote number 1998-10 on Feb 11, 1998
Voted NO on allowing personal retirement accounts. Bill S.Con.Res.86 ; vote number 1998-56 on Apr 1, 1998
Voted NO on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. Roth Amdt #2339; Bill H.R. 2676 ; vote number 1998-120 on May 6, 1998
Military defense:
Votes to Cut Defense Spending by 2% (S. Con. Res. 29, CQ Vote #49, Apr 25, 1991)
Votes to Slash Over $3 Billion from Defense (H.R. 2707, CQ Vote #182, Sep 10, 1991)
Votes to Cut $6 Billion from Defense (S. Con. Res. 106, CQ Vote #73, Apr 9, 1992)
Votes Against Military Pay Raise (S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #73, Mar 24, 1993)
Kerry Introduces Plan To Cut Numerous Defense Programs:
-Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews
-Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one
-Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force
-Terminate the Navy???s coastal mine-hunting ship program
-Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces
in one year.
(S.1163, Introduced Jun 24, 1993)
Voted YES to freeze defense spending for 7 Years, slashing over $34 Billion from defense. (S. Con. Res. 13, CQ Vote #181, May 24, 1995)
Voted NO on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. Conference Report on H.R. 927; Bill H.R. 927 ; vote number 1996-22 on Mar 5, 1996
Voted NO on considering deploying National Missile Defense, and amending ABM Treaty. Bill S 1635 ; vote number 1996-157 on Jun 4, 1996
Voted YES on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions. Motion to table the Lugar Amdt #3156.; Bill S. 2159 ; vote number 1998-201 on Jul 15, 1998
Voted NO on deploying missile defense as soon as possible. Bill S 1873 ; vote number 1998-262 on Sep 9, 1998
Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. Bill S.1059 ; vote number 1999-147 on May 26, 1999
Voted NO on cap foreign aid at only $12.7 billion. H.R. 2606 Conference Report; Bill H.R. 2606 ; vote number 1999-312 on Oct 6, 1999
Education:
Voted NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. Bill S.1513 ; vote number 1994-236 on Jul 27, 1994
Voted NO on $75M for abstinence education. Bill S 1956 ; vote number 1996-231 on Jul 23, 1996
Voted NO on school vouchers in DC. DC Appropriations Act; Bill S. 1156 ; vote number 1997-260 on Sep 30, 1997
Voted NO on education savings accounts. H.R. 2646 Conference Report; Bill H.R. 2646 ; vote number 1998-169 on Jun 24, 1998
Voted NO on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. Motion to Invoke cloture on Jeffords Amdt #31; Bill S. 280 ; vote number 1999-35 on Mar 9, 1999
Voted NO on Educational Savings Accounts. Bill S.1134 ; vote number 2000-33 on Mar 2, 2000
Government:
Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts. Murkowski Amdt to S. 1061; Bill S. 1061 ; vote number 1995-339 on Jul 28, 1995
Voted NO on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. Reference: S. J. Res. 1; Bill S. J. Res. 1 ; vote number 1997-24 on Mar 4, 1997
Voted YES on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. Campaign Finance Reform Bill; Bill S. 25 ; vote number 1997-267 on Oct 7, 1997
Voted NO, killing an amendment that would increase the amount of the budget that would be used to reduce the national debt by $75 billion over 5 years. Bill S Con Res 101 ; vote number 2000-55 on Apr 5, 2000
Immigration:
1996: Voted to continue chain migration which has been the primary reason for annual immigration levels snowballing from less than 300,000 in 1965 to around a million today. Sen. Kerry voted AGAINST both the Simpson Amendment and the Feinstein Amendment to S. 1664.
1997: Voted to grant legal status to Nicaraguans and Cubans who had lived in the United States illegally since 1995, along with their spouses and minor unmarried children. The overall ten year impact of this legislation will be the addition of some 967,000 people to U.S. population. There was no separate vote on the amnesty, as it was included in the DC Appropriations bill.
2000: Voted to include an amnesty for illegal aliens from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Haiti in the Senate H-1B bill (S.2045). The move to include the amnesty with the H-1B legislation failed 43-55 in a procedural vote on the Senate floor
Taxes: (again)
Voted YES To Keep 1993 Gas Tax Increase. (H. R. 8, CQ Vote #183: Motion Rejected 40-59: R 40-15; D 0-44, 7/13/00)
Voted YES To Increase Gas Tax By 6 Cents Per Gallon. (S. 3209, CQ Vote #280: Rejected 45-55: R 8-37; D 37-18, 10/18/90)
Voted NO on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. Bill HR.4810 ; vote number 2000-215 on Jul 18, 2000
Voted NO on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. Bill HR 1836 ; vote number 2001-165 on May 23, 2001
Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. Bill HR.2 ; vote number 2003-196 on May 23, 2003
Voted Against A Balanced Budget Amendment At Least Five Times. Several times in the mid-nineties the Senate took up the Balanced Budget Amendment. Kerry voted five times against the amendment. (S. J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #24: Rejected 66-34: R 55-0; D 11-34, 3/4/97, Kerry Voted Nay; H.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #158: Rejected 64-35: R 52-1; D 12-34, 6/6/96, Kerry Voted Nay; H.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #98: Rejected 65-35: R 51-2; D 14-33, 3/2/95, Kerry Voted Nay; S. J. Res. 41, Roll Call Vote #48: Rejected 63-37: R 41-3; D 22-34, 3/1/94, Kerry Voted Nay; S. J. Res. 225, Roll Call Vote #45: Rejected 66-34: R 43-10; D 23-24, 3/25/86, Kerry Voted Nay)
The enviroment:
Voted YES on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. Bill HR.2107 ; vote number 1997-242 on Sep 17, 1997
Voted NO on more funding for forest roads and fish habitat. Motion to table Bryan Amdt. #1588; Bill H.R. 2466 ; vote number 1999-272 on Sep 14, 1999
Other:
Voted NO on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. Flag Desecration Bill; Bill S. J. Res. 31 ; vote number 1995-600 on Dec 12, 1995
Voted NO on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. Bill S Con Res 57 ; vote number 1996-140 on May 22, 1996
Voted NO on banning human cloning. Motion to invoke cloture on motion to proceed to S. 1601; Bill S. 1601 ; vote number 1998-10 on Feb 11, 1998
Voted NO on allowing personal retirement accounts. Bill S.Con.Res.86 ; vote number 1998-56 on Apr 1, 1998
Voted NO on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. Roth Amdt #2339; Bill H.R. 2676 ; vote number 1998-120 on May 6, 1998
maybe no one will win and it will go to the house...lol i don't really care all politicans are liars nowadays
I suppose you've read every one of those Bills and resolutions and can assure us that none of them were geared towards giving some large corporation an upperhand, that their wording was fully intentional on the summary of the Bill.Stickboy said:
I've learned over the past few years that these bills and resolutions have to be scrutinized letter by letter because the corporate lobbyists like to sneak their own little tricks into them. How do we know that as a senator he wasn't going on the majority of what the people he represents wanted.
maniclion said:
I agree with that.
Also keep in mind that Kerry is a product of his times. There was widespread beleif that we did not need a huge military pre-9-11. I am sure that will be changing.
However, I just cannot with good conscience support a president who has sent our troops to war based on misleading accusations. Why didn't he just come out and say to people, "I'm gonna take out Saddam cause he tried to kill my daddy?"
BTW, good work. Wheres your source?
"Kerry's plan hits upper-incomers hard. The top two tax rates would be raised."
Isn't this a good thing? Who wouldn't agree with this besides rich people?
Isn't this a good thing? Who wouldn't agree with this besides rich people?
If you want to see valid polls in all 50 states, regarding how Bush and Kerry are stacking up, you can go to google.com. Type in election polls and you'll find a couple sites from Gallup and the other major polling firms. If polling is done correctly it is a science. Polls can predict an outcome. Hopefully these firms are doing it correctly.
In so many states either Bush or Kerry is ahead by a small margin of say, 2-3%. But the margin of error is day, 3-3.5%. And the undecided are at say, 6%
It's going to be tight. Might not know until the early morning hours of election say.
In so many states either Bush or Kerry is ahead by a small margin of say, 2-3%. But the margin of error is day, 3-3.5%. And the undecided are at say, 6%
It's going to be tight. Might not know until the early morning hours of election say.
Pierzin said:When you think about it, FDR was pretty scary! Shit, I had to go to court today, and throw all my metal stuff in a tray. Ewwwwww! Man, i didnt want nobody lookin at all my contraband!
At least they gave my knife back to me when I left the building.
Pierzin, the reason for the metal detectors in Seattle courtrooms is because of an incident about 7-8 years ago. I guy was getting a divorce, and he was in the halls before or after going into court. He pulled out a .38 revolver and shot and killed 4 people. His wife he was divorcing, her mom, and some friends or family members of their. After that, they put in the metal detectors. People can go "psycho" in courtooms.
Definately!! Some of my friends started their own small businesses. The were good at what they were doing. They worked very hard, and worked very long hours. Quarterly B & O taxes, regulations, and even paying to entire Social Security amount was hard on them. One of my friends quit, and becamse an employee again because of it.
oaktownboy said:
This is the way I look at it: EVERYONE is paying too many taxes. Everyone.
Sales taxes, state income taxes, federal taxes, car registration, and more.
The federal and state government keep spending more and more. Above the rate of inflation.
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Hell no it is not good. Who do you think provides the capital to get the economy rolling? You should never be exicited to see ANYONE's taxes going up. It hurts the economy and you might be next.oaktownboy said:
Besides, even if you aren't "upper income" don't you want to be? Wouldn't you like fair tax rates when you get there?
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Mr Snafu, don't pass out, but you are exactly right...Mr_Snafu said:
Don't forget payroll taxes (FICA and it ugly twin sister Medicare - a regressive tax that takes 15.2% out of the pocket of all workers,) estate taxes, gasoline taxes, transfer taxes, "sin" taxes, Property taxes...the list goes on and on.....
