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Incline Bench Press

Originally posted by The Rose:
What is the most effective angle for the incline bench press? Currently I do it at a 30º angle. I think 45º gets the shoulders involved too much.


<FONT COLOR="Blue">I agree, 30* is best for Incline press/flies</FONT c>

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Just another day in the gutter
 
I concur.

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matt toupalik
 
Originally posted by Maki Riddington:
I figured I would get someone who is light years ahead of me in knowledge to take a look at the post since it was generating alot of replies.

And what kind of arrogant ass would I be were I to disregard his comments? As much as I see some problems with the things he said, I'll choose to keep my mouth shut until I do more research. God forbid I say something ill-advised and back myself into a corner.

*feels challenged.*


-out
 
Are you offended that I posted it elsewhere?

I see no reason why you can't formulate a rebuttle or speak your mind if you feel you are correct.

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Exercise, my drug of choice
 
Ok, this is getting stupid.

*stares down Maki*

LOL.

The bottom line is that the EMG tests have not proven anything, they measure electric activity in muscle, not muscle fiber stimulation, fatigue, or tension. There has never been a single case in which someone has changed the shape of their muscles through training, the people who believe in this approach seem to never step back and take a look at the results. Is the incline press really working your upper chest, or does it just feel like it?

When theory and practice both show the same thing you usually have a fact on your hands.

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Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by TheSupremeBeing on 06-12-2001 at 09:17 PM]</font>
 
Originally posted by Maki Riddington:
Are you offended that I posted it elsewhere?

I see no reason why you can't formulate a rebuttle or speak your mind if you feel you are correct.


Not in the slightest!

I'm serious about that post. (Still a bit miffed that you brought a .50 caliber sniper rifle to a paintball match, but whatever) I pride myself on being humble and open to the facts. Therefore, if I'm wrong, i'm wrong, and if you're right, you're right.

However, given what supremebeing said, I do say that I'm reserving judgement. Unless the following can be proven, namely that:

A) EMG analysis accurately measures muscle stress and work over a full range of contraction.
B) This stimulation is under a condition of maximal effort of the muscle fibers (i.e., not simply a function of low-effort, fine control actions, consistent with the Size Principle SupremeBeing mentioned)
C) This "selective stimulation" that has been observed produces selective adaptive response/hypertrophy. (i.e., non-stimulated regions of the muscle do not show any signs of hypertrophy) This would also require B to be true.

---and---

D) Nerve fibres in the muscle can discreetly activate certain muscle fibers voluntarily. (i.e., true biofeedback.


Remember, I'm not a scientist. I'm a political science major who is seeking to educate himself and dispense his limited, (but hopefully exapanding) knowledge in the best way possible. That post was originally meant to explain to newbies not to worry about doing crossovers to "widen" their chest or work their "inner pecs".

It is not meant to be a scientific treatise, nor is it meant to hold up under severe scientific scrutiny, since many of the assumptions in it (along with many other aspect of physiology) are theory. I'm, of course, perfectly willing to debate the issues, but i feel that my knowledge on the recent EMG craze (i.e., that stupid article on CNN about ab workouts) isn't up to scratch enough for me to debate intelligently.

.....

And that's all I gotta say about that....


btw, you spelled "rebuttal" wrong.
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<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by Belial on 06-13-2001 at 08:18 AM]</font>
 
MY upper chest needs alot of work so I'll experiment and only do incline bench press for the next 3 months and let everyone know the results.

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Thoughts are more powerful then Matter
 
"Conversely when performing an incline fly there is greater shortening in the fibers towards the upper portion of the muscle than in the lower."
this from the article cak posted does elude to their being more of a recruitment of the upper fibers of the pec during incline flyes. No one ever said they were trying to completely isolate one part of the muscle over another. I have never seen anyone with a large upper chest that did not so incline bench. Take that as you may. I have also found for myself that if benching incline properly, with my shoulder blades retracted, that my front delts DO NOT fatigue faster than my pecs. Cak's supremebeing ego is getting in the way, starting pissing contests and dismissing anything disagreeing with his opinion as crap, trying to convey himself as a genius quoting anatomy texts and using buzzwords.
 
I accused Maki of bringing in a .50 caliber to our paintball fight.

You, sir, can take your spitball shooter and go elsewhere.
 
I want to appologize to cak. I just get pissed off when people are so closed minded about different things and try to come off as more intelligent than they may be. Cak has posted some really good comments, I am sure I have learned something from him. Sorry
(note to self: keep temper in check)
 
Belial,
I am not here to argue and try to gain the upper hand in arguements.
I was merely pointing out certain things.
I am undecided on this topic so I can't say were I stand in regards to this controversial subject.
Thank you for replying in a mature fashoin.



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Exercise, my drug of choice
 
"I am not here to argue and try to gain the upper hand in arguements."

Yeah, that's my job.

BTW Maki, i still need help with that periodization stuff
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Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.
 
Originally posted by Maki Riddington:
Belial,
I am not here to argue and try to gain the upper hand in arguements.
I was merely pointing out certain things.
I am undecided on this topic so I can't say were I stand in regards to this controversial subject.
Thank you for replying in a mature fashoin.


lol. I completely understand. It was definitely a joke on my part; i just thought it was a good analogy. If bringing in the big guns takes a debate to a new level, then i don't see how it can do anything other than benefit everyone.

I don't think any of us here are so obstinate that we'd resist learning and bettering ourselves just to save face.

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