inclined Db curl:beginning,mid,end?

[shwaym]

should i do it in the beinning (after warmups)of my bi lifts to stretch it, middle, or the very last to strech at the end?
does it matter?

 

[Arnold]

I would not do them at all, they put your shoulders in a very precarious position.

 

[tjwes]

If you`re going to do them one day start with them, the next time go lighter,k and end with them.Don`t be afraid to experiment,this is how you learn.They can hurt the shoulders so make sure form is kept good.

 

[Yanick]

Originally posted by Prince
I would not do them at all, they put your shoulders in a very precarious position.

Agreed.

I gave them up a while ago because my shoulders are already pretty fucked up, i don't want to take any chances to fuck them up even more.

I also never did see any point to doing them (from a biomechanical point of view).

 

[Arnold]

Yanick, what's wrong with your shoulders?

I had some rotator cuff damage about a year ago, it sucked. I now do rotator cuff exercises and try to incorporate some dumbbell exercises into my work-outs to help keep the synergistic muscles strong.

 

[Yanick]

Prince,

I have tendonitis in my left shoulder, and I'm pretty sure that my right shoulder is developing tendonitis also. I always warm up my rotator cuff (internal/external L-Flyes, and weighted windmills) prior to any workouts that will place any stress on my shoulders. I also modified my technique on bench presses, military presses, pull ups and pull downs.

What kind of damage did you have? What kind of exercises do you use for your rotator cuff?

 

[Arnold]

You sure it's not bursitis? or maybe even both.

I injured the rotator cuff muscles in both shoulders to the point where I really could not work-out for about a month, and it took at least 6 months before I could lift moderate to heavy weight again.

I use these exercises, and another one that is not listed: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16535

 

[Yanick]

Well to tell you the truth, i have no idea what it is. It might be bursitis/impingement/tendonitis/subluxation. I seem to have symptoms of all of them, except the subluxation is a wierd one. I've never come across anyone else but me, but i can somewhat dislocate my shoulder voluntary. You can pretty clearly see the head of the humerus move away from the glenoid, and you can even feel the 'gap' that forms between the two. But that is all voluntary and causes me little-no pain.

My doctor officially diagnosed me with tendonitis via an MRI. He said i had minor inflammation and then said the single most idiotic statement that i have heard in my life, "You should probably stop working out." With that one statement, i lost all confidence in him.

I stopped working upper body for about a month, while i went to acupuncture/physical therapy (although the physical therapy was pretty half assed, but i didn't know as much back then as i do now).

I have been meaning to implement heavy Cuban Presses into my shoulder workouts, but i always forget to do them.

 

[Arnold]

Unfortunately there are still many doctors that are ignorant of the benefits that are obtained thru weight training. It will probably remain that way for at least another 20 years.

 

[Yanick]

Originally posted by Prince
Unfortunately there are still many doctors that are ignorant of the benefits that are obtained thru weight training. It will probably remain that way for at least another 20 years.

I agree with that, and i personally believe that doctors are good for nothing unless you need some kind of surgery or test that requires specific equipment.

 

[Arnold]

yeah, and Rx's.