Infant Mortality

[DOMS]

According to this article, the US ranks second worst in developed countries for infant mortality.

We have Mexicans throwing babies in dumpster so often it doesn't make the news anymore, and somehow it's American's problem.

 

[MyK]

is this the feel good thread of the day?

 

[clemson357]

According to this article, the US ranks second worst in developed countries for infant mortality.

We have Mexicans throwing babies in dumpster so often it doesn't make the news anymore, and somehow it's American's problem.

racist!!!

just kidding

 

[Big Smoothy]

The U.S. medical system is pretty bad folks.....The care is there....it's just getting access to it.

And this means everybody....I am not just talking about the poor and the uninsured (although they are a not getting it) but I'm talking about the middle and working classes.

 

[GFR]

According to this article, the US ranks second worst in developed countries for infant mortality.

We have Mexicans throwing babies in dumpster so often it doesn't make the news anymore, and somehow it's American's problem.

I posted this info in my "Greatest country in the world" thread, just one of many reasons that America is not even close to #1.

 

[BigDyl]

 

[DOMS]

I posted this info in my "Greatest country in the world" thread, just one of many reasons that America is not even close to #1.

The majority of infant deaths in this country are in the minorities. Hell, you live in Arizona, you must know about the Mexican dumpster babies.

 

[GFR]

The majority of infant deaths in this country are in the minorities. Hell, you live in Arizona, you must know about the Mexican dumpster babies.

 

[DOMS]

For those reading along who do not know: In the states that border Mexico, it's common for Mexicans to throw unwanted babies into dumpsters. The temperature in Arizona can reach up to 120F. The temperature in dumpsters can reach up to 200F or more. So the baby gets cooked to death.

Isn't that just peachy?

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

For those reading along who do not know: In the states that border Mexico, it's common for Mexicans to throw unwanted babies into dumpsters. The temperature in Arizona can reach up to 120F. The temperature in dumpsters can reach up to 200F or more. So the baby gets cooked to death.

Isn't that just peachy?

Refried.

 

[Big Smoothy]

I posted this info in my "Greatest country in the world" thread, just one of many reasons that America is not even close to #1.

I agree.

And this is not meant to be negative, either.

If you look at quality of life, commuting, disposable income, access to medical care, chances of retirement, time off for holiday, other developed nations score above.

Of course there are a lot of trade-offs also.

 

[GFR]

For those reading along who do not know: In the states that border Mexico, it's common for Mexicans to throw unwanted babies into dumpsters. The temperature in Arizona can reach up to 120F. The temperature in dumpsters can reach up to 200F or more. So the baby gets cooked to death.

Isn't that just peachy?

I would love to see some facts or a link that shows what % of infant mortality is due to Mexican babys in dumpsters...

 

[DOMS]

I would love to see some facts or a link that shows what % of infant mortality is due to Mexican babys in dumpsters...

It's easy. Just look up infant mortality by race. Granted, the high death rate among Hispanics may not be due to dumpster babies, but when I lived in Arizona, I heard about them all the time.

 

[Decker]

It's easy. Just look up infant mortality by race. Granted, the high death rate among Hispanics may not be due to dumpster babies, but when I lived in Arizona, I heard about them all the time.

The Statistical Abstract of the US should have those #s. You've used that as a resource before. I'd look it up but I have to do some work this morning. I hate work in the morning.

 

[Dale Mabry]

For those reading along who do not know: In the states that border Mexico, it's common for Mexicans to throw unwanted babies into dumpsters. The temperature in Arizona can reach up to 120F. The temperature in dumpsters can reach up to 200F or more. So the baby gets cooked to death.

Are they seasoned at all? I assume at 200F that they are slow cooked, is there any basting involved?

BTW, this story wreaks of BS.

 

[DOMS]

Are they seasoned at all? I assume at 200F that they are slow cooked, is there any basting involved?

BTW, this story wreaks of BS.

My post or the article?

 

[Dale Mabry]

My post or the article?

That babies are cooked in that manner, personally I would use an oven, but i am feng shui.

 

[DOMS]

That babies are cooked in that manner, personally I would use an oven, but i am feng shui.

You must not have lived in a state that borders Mexico. There was one case where a babie was found, wrapped in plastic, in a dumpster next to a hospital that accepts babies, no questions asked.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Who's going to eat a raw baby?

 

[shiznit2169]

Who's going to eat a raw baby?

 

[GFR]

It's easy. Just look up infant mortality by race. Granted, the high death rate among Hispanics may not be due to dumpster babies, but when I lived in Arizona, I heard about them all the time.

United States
Non-Hispanic White
5.8
Black or African American
13.8
American Indian
8.6
Asian and Pacific Islander
4.8
Hispanic or Latino
5.6
Total age 15 to 19
7.0

Blacks, whites and American Indians have a higher rate......I still could not find any dumpster facts.

 

[tucker01]

Who's going to eat a raw baby?

 

[maniclion]

Who's going to eat a raw baby?

 

[bandaidwoman]

Not to diminsh the accomplishment of other countries
on low infant mortality or the very real problem we
have here......but let me tell you how statistics can
be skewed to make the US infant mortality look bad:



The United States easily has the most intensive system
of emergency intervention to keep low birth weight and
premature infants alive in the world.

The US is only one of a handful countries that keeps
detailed statistics on early fetal mortality -- the
survival rate of infants who are born as early as the
20th week of gestation.

Thus, in the United States if an infant is born
weighing only 400 grams and not breathing, a doctor
will likely spend lot of time and money trying to
revive that infant. If the infant does not survive --
and the mortality rate for such infants is in excess
of 50 percent -- that sequence of events will be
recorded as a live birth and then a death. In many
countries (including many European countries) such
severe medical intervention would not be attempted
this would recorded as a fetal death rather than a
live birth.

(the above paraphrased from a medical forum.)

That unfortunate infant would never show up in infant
mortality statistics!!!

Take Cuba (which has a better infant mortality).....
they do not register births under 1000g. The World Health Organization itself
recommends that for official record keeping purposes,
only live births of greater than 1,000g should be
included. But guess what, we do! ( and most of them
will die!)

The result is that the statistics make it appear as if
Cuba's infant mortality rate is significantly better
than the United States', but in fact what is really
being measured in this difference is that the United
States takes far more serious (and expensive)
interventions among extremely low birth weight and
extremely premature infants than Cuba (or much of the
rest of the world for that matter) does.

I am not saying the above confounding factors are the only culprits, I do believe a real dichotomy exists among the classes in this country in terms of health care access which also accounts for the differences.

 

[BigDyl]

U.S. Scores Poorly on Infant Mortality
Shortcomings in basic health care, obesity cited for low rank among modern nations

by Lindsey Tanner

Among 33 industrialized nations, the United States is tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with a death rate of nearly 5 per 1,000 babies, according to a new report. Latvia's rate is 6 per 1,000.

"We are the wealthiest country in the world, but there are still pockets of our population who are not getting the health care they need," said Mary Beth Powers, a reproductive health adviser for the U.S.-based Save the Children, which compiled the rankings based on health data from countries and agencies worldwide.



Our health care system focuses on providing high-tech services for complicated cases. We do this very well...What we do not do is provide basic primary and preventive health care services.

Kenneth Thorpe, Emory University health policy expert
The U.S. ranking is driven partly by racial and income disparities. Among U.S. blacks, there are 9 deaths per 1,000 live births, closer to rates in developing nations than to those in the industrialized world.

"Every time I see these kinds of statistics, I'm always amazed to see where the United States is because we are a country that prides itself on having such advanced medical care and developing new technology ... and new approaches to treating illness. But at the same time not everybody has access to those new technologies," said Dr. Mark Schuster, a Rand Co. researcher and pediatrician with the University of California, Los Angeles.

The Save the Children report, released Monday, comes just a week after publication of another report humbling to the U.S. health care system. That study showed that white, middle-aged Americans are far less healthy than their peers in England, despite U.S. health care spending that is double that in England.

In the United States, researchers noted that the population is more racially and economically diverse than many other industrialized countries, making it more challenging to provide culturally appropriate health care.

About half a million U.S. babies are born prematurely each year, data show. Black infants are twice as likely as white babies to be premature, to have a low birth weight and to die at birth, according to Save the Children.

The researchers also said lack of national health insurance and short maternity leaves likely contribute to the poor U.S. rankings.

Other possible factors in the U.S. include teen pregnancies and obesity rates, which both disproportionately affect black women and increase risk for premature births and low birth weights.

In past reports by Save the Children ??? released ahead of Mother's Day ??? U.S. mothers' well-being has consistently ranked far ahead of those in developing countries but poorly among industrialized nations. This year, the United States tied for last place with the United Kingdom on indicators including mortality risks and contraception use.

While the gaps for infants and mothers contrast sharply with the nation's image as a world leader, Emory University health policy expert Kenneth Thorpe said the numbers are not surprising.

"Our health care system focuses on providing high-tech services for complicated cases. We do this very well," Thorpe said.

"What we do not do is provide basic primary and preventive health care services."

 

[bandaidwoman]

totally agree

Other possible factors in the U.S. include teen pregnancies and obesity rates, which both disproportionately affect black women and increase risk for premature births and low birth weights.

We entered the obesity epidemic 15 years before our industrialized counterparts (although Britain is catching up) and thus it affects our overall health index adversly as well as the infant mortality.

 

[GFR]

U.S. Scores Poorly on Infant Mortality
Shortcomings in basic health care, obesity cited for low rank among modern nations

by Lindsey Tanner

Among 33 industrialized nations, the United States is tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with a death rate of nearly 5 per 1,000 babies, according to a new report. Latvia's rate is 6 per 1,000.

"We are the wealthiest country in the world, but there are still pockets of our population who are not getting the health care they need," said Mary Beth Powers, a reproductive health adviser for the U.S.-based Save the Children, which compiled the rankings based on health data from countries and agencies worldwide.



Our health care system focuses on providing high-tech services for complicated cases. We do this very well...What we do not do is provide basic primary and preventive health care services.

Kenneth Thorpe, Emory University health policy expert
The U.S. ranking is driven partly by racial and income disparities. Among U.S. blacks, there are 9 deaths per 1,000 live births, closer to rates in developing nations than to those in the industrialized world.

"Every time I see these kinds of statistics, I'm always amazed to see where the United States is because we are a country that prides itself on having such advanced medical care and developing new technology ... and new approaches to treating illness. But at the same time not everybody has access to those new technologies," said Dr. Mark Schuster, a Rand Co. researcher and pediatrician with the University of California, Los Angeles.

The Save the Children report, released Monday, comes just a week after publication of another report humbling to the U.S. health care system. That study showed that white, middle-aged Americans are far less healthy than their peers in England, despite U.S. health care spending that is double that in England.

In the United States, researchers noted that the population is more racially and economically diverse than many other industrialized countries, making it more challenging to provide culturally appropriate health care.

About half a million U.S. babies are born prematurely each year, data show. Black infants are twice as likely as white babies to be premature, to have a low birth weight and to die at birth, according to Save the Children.

The researchers also said lack of national health insurance and short maternity leaves likely contribute to the poor U.S. rankings.

Other possible factors in the U.S. include teen pregnancies and obesity rates, which both disproportionately affect black women and increase risk for premature births and low birth weights.

In past reports by Save the Children ??? released ahead of Mother's Day ??? U.S. mothers' well-being has consistently ranked far ahead of those in developing countries but poorly among industrialized nations. This year, the United States tied for last place with the United Kingdom on indicators including mortality risks and contraception use.

While the gaps for infants and mothers contrast sharply with the nation's image as a world leader, Emory University health policy expert Kenneth Thorpe said the numbers are not surprising.

"Our health care system focuses on providing high-tech services for complicated cases. We do this very well," Thorpe said.

"What we do not do is provide basic primary and preventive health care services."

 

[DOMS]

"We are the wealthiest country in the world, but there are still pockets of our population who are not getting the health care they need,"

...

Among U.S. blacks, there are 9 deaths per 1,000 live births, closer to rates in developing nations than to those in the industrialized world.

...

In the United States, researchers noted that the population is more racially and economically diverse than many other industrialized countries
...

Black infants are twice as likely as white babies to be premature, to have a low birth weight and to die at birth, according to Save the Children.

There's a large part of the problem.

 

[DOMS]

We entered the obesity epidemic 15 years before our industrialized counterparts (although Britain is catching up) and thus it affects our overall health index adversly as well as the infant mortality.

That's the curse of too much food, too much sedentary entertainment, and too many white collar jobs.