Insulin on cycle!!!

[strength is pain]

so i have started my first cycle of insulin.
Ive chosen novorapid whic is faster acting and last about 4-5hours.

My cycle will be 12 weeks in total.

wk1-12 175mg testosterone sustanon E2D.
Wk1-4 insulin pre-workout tapering up2 10iu training days with 10g of dextrose/maltodextrin blend per iu.
wk7-12 50mg ED Tren Ace
wk8-12 10iu insulin/10g dextrose maltodextrin.

Im not using creatine or BCAAS or glutamine while on slin but read it was good to mix with, my question is would it really make much of a difference to mix these or not.

What else can i do to gain the most of out my Insulin.

BTW its fucking amazing to train on.

Nathan

 

[parsifal09]

ah man, ive never taken insulin, scsared of getting really fat

i dont know, seems like u should only take insulin if ur going pro or already massive

others here know a lot mofre than me on this

 

[parsifal09]

maybe hypo glycemic withh comment

hes a big guy that competes

even if he doesnt use insulin, hed know how to use it,etc

 

[hypo_glycemic]

I know a lot of guys that use insulin being non diabetic..

I wouldn't recommend it to anybody that doesn't have diabetes.

There's a number of reasons, but if you haven't done a copious style of research, you're playing with death, or a severe diabetic coma..

Like I said, some people/ competitors use but I've heard some crazy shit when things go wrong, but I don't use it.

I've used it in the past, but since good GH, I don't see the risk?

 

[parsifal09]

hypo, did gh give u real gains???

and how did insulin treat u?

 

[hypo_glycemic]

hypo, did gh give u real gains???

and how did insulin treat u?

I think food, rest, and lots of volume give you gains you can keep.

GH keeps me full and grainy w/ a good diet. Recovery, sleep, feeling good at 42 is the best thing about it.

If you run everything in conjunction w/ GH- the proper way- yes you can keep size and also skeletal mass as well.

IMO you shouldn't touch it unless you've had your bloods done and also find out if the pedigree in your family bloodlines don't possess any bad gene like cancer or leukemia - ala Dennis Newman!

 

[parsifal09]

mmmmmmmmmmm


im itching to try it

insulin too, but im much more wary of insulin. im pretty sure ill take hgh, butnot insulin

 

[World-Pharma.org]

yes add that bcaa and glutamine+ creatin in that mixx you take after slin inject..

also add cca 40-60g proteins isolate
i suggest also 20g glutamin+10 g bcaa and 10 g creatin...

 

[hypo_glycemic]

yes add that bcaa and glutamine+ creatin in that mixx you take after slin inject..

also add cca 40-60g proteins isolate
i suggest also 20g glutamin+10 g bcaa and 10 g creatin...

What does that have to do w/ slin?

It's carbs you need to worry about (after) pinning insulin?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

What does that have to do w/ slin?

It's carbs you need to worry about (after) pinning insulin?

x2.. haha.. Must be a translation issue.

 

[~RaZr~]

What does that have to do w/ slin?

It's carbs you need to worry about (after) pinning insulin?

No shit right? Especially you boys who like to mess with rapid acting insulin.

Without proper knowledge, your ass would be passed out on the floor before you knew what hit you

 

[Pittsburgh63]

No shit right? Especially you boys who like to mess with rapid acting insulin.

Without proper knowledge, your ass would be passed out on the floor before you knew what hit you

Yeah... but you'll have a bunch of Amino acid, glutamine and protein in you.. so I'm sure you'll be fine.. right? lol.

 

[~RaZr~]

Yeah... but you'll have a bunch of Amino acid, glutamine and protein in you.. so I'm sure you'll be fine.. right? lol.

Of course lol.

 

[parsifal09]

who here has taken insulin and gotten good gains

 

[tinyshrek]

Yeah... but you'll have a bunch of Amino acid, glutamine and protein in you.. so I'm sure you'll be fine.. right? lol.

What he is talking about is an intra workout protocol that quite a few nutritionists follow. Using HUMALOG that has a short half life around two hours, taken pre workout it will shuttle nutrients at an incredible rate. So an EXAMPLE would be:

1 hour prior to workout 10iu HUMALOG
Along with 100 simple carbs and 50g protein(from whatever sources you choose, some like shakes, some like food)

Intra workout shake:
50-75g karbolyn
30g hydrowhey
20g aminos
10g creatine, glutamine
Reason being you have an anabolic window of around two hours so all these nutrients are getting shuttled straight to the muscles.

Post workout meal to include 100-150g carbs and 50-75g protein from whichever sources you choose.

This is just an EXAMPLE that I have had broken down to me several times. This way you get 3 different meals in during the 2-3 hour window HUMALOG is most beneficial. Some will use Humulin R in the morning and LOG preworkout at night but that is a whole other protocol. Future Freak has some good threads and info on this topic

 

[parsifal09]

tiny,sweet

u ever done this?

 

[tinyshrek]

I personally have never used slin. Got about another year of just gear, then about two more of GH and Gear before I max out wit slin. It's not as crazy deadly as people make it out to be IF you are serious about your diet and training. If ur not serious and ur an idiot then never touch it cuz u could die lol

 

[hypo_glycemic]

^^ it's very dangerous for diabetics let a lone BB's..

There's a lot of ways to spike your insulin levels other than slin , and if you're going to use it, be careful of what your blood sugar levels are before pinning and have a ready-to-go carb solution incase your sugar levels go out of whack after!!!!

 

[littlekev]

Hope op is testing and monitoring his blood glucose......

 

[World-Pharma.org]

what he is talking about is an intra workout protocol that quite a few nutritionists follow. Using humalog that has a short half life around two hours, taken pre workout it will shuttle nutrients at an incredible rate. So an example would be:

1 hour prior to workout 10iu humalog
along with 100 simple carbs and 50g protein(from whatever sources you choose, some like shakes, some like food)

intra workout shake:
50-75g karbolyn
30g hydrowhey
20g aminos
10g creatine, glutamine
reason being you have an anabolic window of around two hours so all these nutrients are getting shuttled straight to the muscles.

Post workout meal to include 100-150g carbs and 50-75g protein from whichever sources you choose.

This is just an example that i have had broken down to me several times. This way you get 3 different meals in during the 2-3 hour window humalog is most beneficial. Some will use humulin r in the morning and log preworkout at night but that is a whole other protocol. Future freak has some good threads and info on this topic

big big bump!!! This man know what he talk!

 

[Goldenera]

What he is talking about is an intra workout protocol that quite a few nutritionists follow. Using HUMALOG that has a short half life around two hours, taken pre workout it will shuttle nutrients at an incredible rate. So an EXAMPLE would be:

1 hour prior to workout 10iu HUMALOG
Along with 100 simple carbs and 50g protein(from whatever sources you choose, some like shakes, some like food)

Intra workout shake:
50-75g karbolyn
30g hydrowhey
20g aminos
10g creatine, glutamine
Reason being you have an anabolic window of around two hours so all these nutrients are getting shuttled straight to the muscles.

Post workout meal to include 100-150g carbs and 50-75g protein from whichever sources you choose.

This is just an EXAMPLE that I have had broken down to me several times. This way you get 3 different meals in during the 2-3 hour window HUMALOG is most beneficial. Some will use Humulin R in the morning and LOG preworkout at night but that is a whole other protocol. Future Freak has some good threads and info on this topic

Solid post!! That's the point of using the slin guys. Nutrient shuttling during the Anabolic window.

 

[Name's Dalton]

I personally have never used slin. Got about another year of just gear, then about two more of GH and Gear before I max out wit slin. It's not as crazy deadly as people make it out to be IF you are serious about your diet and training. If ur not serious and ur an idiot then never touch it cuz u could die lol

THANK YOU!!! It seems every post about Insulin should come with a skull & crossbones image. You know what else can kill ya? Driving a car - if you're an idiot. Etc. I've used insulin for two separate cycles now (am on my second one, in fact) and aside from low-blood sugar incident (always nice to keep OJ or a regular root beer on hand), I'd had no issues. Just gains.

And as far as taking only sugar while on insulin, the point of taking slin for me is to shuttle greater amounts of aminos/protein and other nutrients into my cells, using the carbs and insulin as the catalyst.

Where I'd like to hear feedback on the timing is from guys who prefer to take it pre-workout versus those who take it post-workout. I inject 10 IU of Humulin-R (it's cheap and I don't need a prescription to buy it OTC from Wal-Mart) before my first meal of the day (90 grams of grits plus 30 grams of raisins as carb source, and either a fast-acting whey or 15 egg whites as protein source) and then eat pretty much the same thing for my next meal.

Lately, I've been injecting 10 IU of slin post-workout along with 5 IU of HGH, using 100 grams of Karbolyn and two scoops of Cell-Kem.

I am going to switch to a pre-workout in a couple of weeks to see if I get better results that way.

 

[XYZ]

No shit right? Especially you boys who like to mess with rapid acting insulin.

Without proper knowledge, your ass would be passed out on the floor before you knew what hit you

Again, what does that have to do with using insulin?

If you don't know how to use it you shouldn't, PERIOD.

 

[XYZ]

What he is talking about is an intra workout protocol that quite a few nutritionists follow. Using HUMALOG that has a short half life around two hours, taken pre workout it will shuttle nutrients at an incredible rate. So an EXAMPLE would be:

1 hour prior to workout 10iu HUMALOG
Along with 100 simple carbs and 50g protein(from whatever sources you choose, some like shakes, some like food)

Intra workout shake:
50-75g karbolyn
30g hydrowhey
20g aminos
10g creatine, glutamine
Reason being you have an anabolic window of around two hours so all these nutrients are getting shuttled straight to the muscles.

Post workout meal to include 100-150g carbs and 50-75g protein from whichever sources you choose.

This is just an EXAMPLE that I have had broken down to me several times. This way you get 3 different meals in during the 2-3 hour window HUMALOG is most beneficial. Some will use Humulin R in the morning and LOG preworkout at night but that is a whole other protocol. Future Freak has some good threads and info on this topic

There is some serious misinformation in that post.

Seeing that insulin can kill you I would like for the safest possble information to be avaliable, this is not.

Sorry Bro, you know I respect you and your knowledge but this is just bad information.

 

[XYZ]

so i have started my first cycle of insulin.
Ive chosen novorapid whic is faster acting and last about 4-5hours.

My cycle will be 12 weeks in total.

wk1-12 175mg testosterone sustanon E2D.
Wk1-4 insulin pre-workout tapering up2 10iu training days with 10g of dextrose/maltodextrin blend per iu.
wk7-12 50mg ED Tren Ace
wk8-12 10iu insulin/10g dextrose maltodextrin.

Im not using creatine or BCAAS or glutamine while on slin but read it was good to mix with, my question is would it really make much of a difference to mix these or not.

What else can i do to gain the most of out my Insulin.

BTW its fucking amazing to train on.

Nathan

Sorry bro, with all due respect training after injecting insulin is just too dangerous for most. The pumps are terrible and the overall feeling on slin is bad.

I've personally done it a number of ways and this way is by far the most dangerous by far.

 

[heavyiron]

What does that have to do w/ slin?

It's carbs you need to worry about (after) pinning insulin?

He's posting in addition to the dextrose. Adding the BCAA's, Glutamine and Creatine. It's very common to shuttle these nutrients and then later use a whey isolate shake.

I use Gatorade with my BCAA's, Glutamine and Creatine.

This is all Post training.

 

[tinyshrek]

There is some serious misinformation in that post.

Seeing that insulin can kill you I would like for the safest possble information to be avaliable, this is not.

Sorry Bro, you know I respect you and your knowledge but this is just bad information.

Explain this to me XYZ, as SEVERAL competitive BBERS have used very similar protocols?? Milos Sarcev preaches this protocol. Future freak has posted similar info in his threads. So what is the bad information?

 

[~RaZr~]

Again, what does that have to do with using insulin?

If you don't know how to use it you shouldn't, PERIOD.

Exactly and that's what my post meant. If you don't know how to use the stuff, don't fuck with it.

All it takes is a few too many "units" and you could be royally screwed.

 

[withoutrulers]

Isn't one of the dangers of pinning slin preworkout going hypo? Can't you potentially get hypoglycemic from workouts alone?

 

[XYZ]

Explain this to me XYZ, as SEVERAL competitive BBERS have used very similar protocols?? Milos Sarcev preaches this protocol. Future freak has posted similar info in his threads. So what is the bad information?

First, injecting insulin pre-workout is dangerous, hypo issues along with pumps so bad you can't move doesn't make much sense to me. Can it be done and effective? Sure. Stupid but sure. It's just not very safe in my opinion, even with the right supplies right next to you. Insulin cause many to become lethargic as well, not a good combination when lifting.

Second, if the humalog starts working within 5 minutes of injection, why are you pinning it 60 mins BEFORE training? Makes no sense, even if the half life is 2 hours. Everyone will react different to different doses so a blanket statement is not the best answer. Maybe I'm missing something or you just made a summary of a larger post?

Last, the 30g hydro is overkill. 20g of BCAA'S is more than enough to get the job done. I guess it doesn't hurt, but whatever.

The main problem or issue I have with giving out insulin advice is that too many "n00bs" will come on here and read something, go full on with it and get sloppy. That leads to one thing. I personally am not very comfortable with that and I know everyone has to do their homework, but as you know that is hardly the case.