Is glutamine Shit what do you think?

[pureplaya616]

I was browsing the web, when I came across aj article that totally blasted glutamine. But with this site always acts like they are on the cutting edge of everything and they were are like the best thin since sliced bread.
http://www.testosterone.net/nation_articles/230glut2.html

http://www.testosterone.net/nation_articles/231glut2.html

 

[pureplaya616]

damn, posted it in the wrong forum

 

[hardHITer001]

Its because Bio Test doesn???t sell glutamine.

 

[KataMaStEr]

Glutamine is one of the best if not the best supplement I have ever tried. I can feel the difference from when I???m taking in and when I???m not. Never when I have been taking glutamine I have gotten sick or anything, stop taking it my sister gets a could and next thing I know I have it.

 

[MONSTER4X4]

Ditto to hardHITTER...biotest doesn't have a glutamine product so of course they're gonna blast it.

 

[gopro]

Glutamine is on my top 3 best supplement list. It is one of the few things I use 365 days a year.

 

[Arnold]

I use Glutamine daily, but I cannot say that I "feel" anything from it.

 

[crackerjack414]

iam not as sore after using glutamine, definilty worth the price on my opinion

 

[pureplaya616]

I just saw the article and found myself shocked. I had never found an article saying glutamine was worthless. It also seemed like it scientifically backed but I am reluctant to listen to a supplement company on anything. I still use glutamine I just wanted to know hat you guys thought of it.

 

[Robboe]

For 97% of any situations, it is shite.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
For 97% of any situations, it is shite.

really?

how do you know?

 

[KataMaStEr]

Originally posted by Prince
really?

how do you know?

What do chickens know about glutamine?

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by KataMaStEr
What do chickens know about glutamine?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KataMaStEr]

Originally posted by gopro
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That???s what I though

 

[LILFLEX]

Glutamine is one supplement you better be taking daily,I take 6000mg a day

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by Prince
really?

how do you know?

Well i made that number up, but it's an unnecessary cost.

 

[Arnold]

yeah, I assumed that you made the number up....I was asking how can you be so sure that it's a waste of money?

 

[KataMaStEr]

Probably work for different people in different ways but as long as it works for me and I feel the it working I don???t care how many ???studies??? or people say is useless. I only spend $40 every two months on glutamine so that???s not so bad.

 

[gopro]

50 + g of peptides per day for this guy, and worth every penny!

 

[crackerjack414]

dame i thought i was taking alot with 20g ed lol

 

[Robboe]

Prince, everything i've ever read about glutamine indicates it's and expensive and unnecessary cost for a lot of most people's goals.

And i've used it myself and noticed absolutely no change. And this is the case with a lot of the guys in my gym.

If you're wanting to compete or in later stages of dieting down, and you have the money to spare then go for it.

For me, glutamine is 40 squids per 500g. That would last me about 10 days going off Gopro's recommendations.

That's 40 squids that i could spend on food, clothes, a night out with my close friends etc...

40 squids every ten days in one year would mean i spend £1460 on glutamine alone. That is just ridiculous.

I'm not bashing glutamine all the time to try and change the minds of the Gopros or the KataMaStErs. I mention it cause i don't like the idea of newer, more impressionable lifters believing glutamine is a necessary requirement.

 

[Arnold]

Well, what type of noticable change did you expect?

When you eat protein do you notice an immediate change from it?

 

[Robboe]

Not straight away, no.

But the gains i can make without using glutamine were the same as with glutamine, only 40 squids cheaper.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

There was a big discussion on the Supertraining list about this topic recently:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Supertraining/message/26832

>More importantly, there are several studies showing that glutamine
>supplementation doesn't alter exercise-induced suppression of the
>immune system! The bottom line is that blood glutamine levels,
>whether they drop or not following exercise, don't seem to affect
>immunity to any great extent, which precludes the use of glutamine
>for this reason.

The small reductions in plasma glutamine that follow prolonged endurance
exercise likely do not affect immune function. The reduction is small and
short-lived (approx. 2 hours or so), and plasma glutamine rarely drops below
normal concentrations during this time.



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Supertraining/message/26906

>>So, would there be any reason for someone who is on a regular
>>resistance training program to supliment glutamine. Or is that just
>>a waste of time and money?

Currently there's no good evidence that glutamine supplementation will offer
benefit to resistance trainers.


My thinking is that its placebo effect. Taking a single amino won't do any more than taking a lot at once (ie, a complete protein source). In fact taking more of one than any other can be detrimental. Whey protein is much, much cheaper than glutamine.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by pureplaya616 It also seemed like it scientifically backed but I am reluctant to listen to a supplement company on anything

Unfortunately for us, there will always be biased or ill conducted research. Someone sponsors a study, who often may already have an opinion on what they are going to find, and of course they find what they were looking for.

You will find research that says one thing, and someone else that "finds" something totally different. So, take scientific studies with a grain of salt, like most things in life, buyer beware.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Not straight away, no.

But the gains i can make without using glutamine were the same as with glutamine, only 40 squids cheaper.

well, you would have to take glutamine on a regular basis for around 12 months and monitor your progress, then stop taking it for 12 months and monitor your progress, then compare. And in that time make sure that everything else is the same, e.g. diet, training, etc.

 

[gopro]

Studies, studies, studies...wonderful aren't they! Too bad anyone can find a study or an expert to support their claims and/or opinions.

Well, look. If TCD took it and it did nothing for him, who can argue? If Snake Eyes thinks glutamine works only as a placebo, what can I say. I can only offer MY experience...which is...

The shit works! I notice a big difference when off of it and have grown more while on it. My clients have responded very well to it...especially the ones that train very hard and the ones that seem to have lousy immune systems.

I also should mention that my "recommendation" is not 50 g per day as I take. To most, I recommend about 15-20 g per day. I can get it cheaper than most, I weigh more than most, and I have found that this particular amount works especially well for me.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Again I ask.....why not just get more protein then?

Aminos work in groups, not alone.

 

[cornfed]

True, but there is always the argument over which amino's are the most essential


I say we all just take large doses of tryptophan ...or argue about protein needs (after a point, they both have the same effect)

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by gopro
Studies, studies, studies...wonderful aren't they! Too bad anyone can find a study or an expert to support their claims and/or opinions.

If that were really true, then you could find me a study showing that oral glutamine does aid all the things you claim it does.

Yes, a slight boost in hGH can be gained, but this is really a moot point since it's not a significant amount released.

I wish you good luck, now go forth and seek.