Originally posted by cornfed
I say we all just take large doses of tryptophan...or argue about protein needs (after a point, they both have the same effect)
That would be funny. There's nothing quite like a comatoze arguement.
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Is glutamine Shit what do you think?
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That would be funny. There's nothing quite like a comatoze arguement.
KaTaMaStEr Ultimate Anti-Chiken Lab found glutamine supplementation to have steroid like effect, 8 out of 10 subjects gained 35lbs of LBM in one week. King B.S. 2002; 69:507-32
J/K
Based on?
I think its cute how everyone resorts to childishness when they can't provide a straight answer.
Oh please Snake...do you have any experience with supplementation at all. Based on what? Go ahead and take 2000 mg of tyrosine before your next workout and see what happens.
If it work for you GR8, if it doesn???t work and you and think it???s all BS then too bad so sad. Gopro and many other people feel they benefit from taking it including me. If that???s not a straight answer then I don???t know what is. I don???t know about you but the experience from other people using it is worth more for me than any ???study??? some guy does on it.
Originally posted by Prince
I think it's cute how TCD and Snake Eyes both try and gang up on gopro!
-Tom and Jerry
-Abbott and Costello
-Beavis and Butthead
-Snake and Chicken
We have had this argument before..it is really old. TCD will not accept our opinion on glutamine unless it is "backed up" by science. He needs as study "proving" its effectiveness. And Snake, well, he has other issues. We'll see...maybe I'll actually look at some journals and find some "proof" of what I and many others already know to be true...GLUATMINE is a very valuable and effective supplement when taken at the right times and in the right amounts.
My beef isn't that athletes need more protein in general.
My argument is about the supposed necessity of spending LARGE amounts of money on a single amino, when its never been shown to be efficient or even remotely useful. And yes, I have tried it myself. Recommending this to newbies, and ranking it as one of the most effective supplements is irresponsible.
As for "feeling" it works, I'd bet money that for every single person here who "feels" a difference with glutamine, I could substitute a simple sugar and tell you it was glutamine, and you'd see the exact same result.
The bottom line is that you can "feel" all you want, but when it can't be reproduced in a controlled environment, by trained athletes no less, that should tell you that maybe what you "feel" is possibly being caused by something else.
My argument is about the supposed necessity of spending LARGE amounts of money on a single amino, when its never been shown to be efficient or even remotely useful. And yes, I have tried it myself. Recommending this to newbies, and ranking it as one of the most effective supplements is irresponsible.
As for "feeling" it works, I'd bet money that for every single person here who "feels" a difference with glutamine, I could substitute a simple sugar and tell you it was glutamine, and you'd see the exact same result.
The bottom line is that you can "feel" all you want, but when it can't be reproduced in a controlled environment, by trained athletes no less, that should tell you that maybe what you "feel" is possibly being caused by something else.
Ok I'm tired of copy and paste. But from what I have found, I see a lot more "studies" about the good benefits of glutamine than what I have seen saying glutamine is BS
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea1.htm
The Essential "Non-
Essential" Amino Acid
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea4.htm
Glutamine And
Human Enhancement
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea5.htm
Glutamine And Human Performance
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea6.htm
Glutamine, exercise and immune function. Links and possible mechanisms.
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea7.htm
Glutamine and cancer
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea8.htm
Is Glutamine a Conditionally Essential Amino Acid?
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea9.htm
GLUTAMINE SYNTHETASE MAY BE IMPORTANT ENZYME IN EPITHELIAL CELL DIFFERENTIATION.
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea1.htm
The Essential "Non-
Essential" Amino Acid
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea4.htm
Glutamine And
Human Enhancement
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea5.htm
Glutamine And Human Performance
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea6.htm
Glutamine, exercise and immune function. Links and possible mechanisms.
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea7.htm
Glutamine and cancer
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea8.htm
Is Glutamine a Conditionally Essential Amino Acid?
http://www.mvpnutrition.com/highrea9.htm
GLUTAMINE SYNTHETASE MAY BE IMPORTANT ENZYME IN EPITHELIAL CELL DIFFERENTIATION.
Keep it coming!!! Whatever it is, I like it
In response--
1. Show me where any of those related to resistance training. I didn't even look because there's only been two studies done with glutamine's effect on resistance training. Everything in those is based on endurance athletes and/or trauma victims, and has been "extrapolated" to lifters.
2. As for the immune system response-- even endurance training doesn't lower plasma glutamine *that* much, and its a very brief drop. Resistance training-- you guessed it. Little if any measurable effects on plasma glutamine levels.
3. Glutamine is synthesized by the body. Adequate protein will result in adequate amounts of glutamine. I don't know of any reason why, unless one was in a caloric deficit, the body would require more glutamine to fulfill any of its functions.
1. Show me where any of those related to resistance training. I didn't even look because there's only been two studies done with glutamine's effect on resistance training. Everything in those is based on endurance athletes and/or trauma victims, and has been "extrapolated" to lifters.
2. As for the immune system response-- even endurance training doesn't lower plasma glutamine *that* much, and its a very brief drop. Resistance training-- you guessed it. Little if any measurable effects on plasma glutamine levels.
3. Glutamine is synthesized by the body. Adequate protein will result in adequate amounts of glutamine. I don't know of any reason why, unless one was in a caloric deficit, the body would require more glutamine to fulfill any of its functions.
1. I???m an ???endurance athletes???, Do you need endurance to finish that last set when you give yourself 20sec of rest. I don???t know about you but there are days in weight lifting that I start breathing harder than if I had just finished running 2 miles.
2. I guess I???m special because when I take it I don???t get sick, when I don???t I get sick. Short and sweet.
3. WOW I wish it worked for me like that. I consume about 6lbs of protein every month. When I take protein and not glutamine I still sick.
It???s not just about getting sick, I just feel better.
You need ???prove??? go find it, looks like I or anybody here other than TCD have it. I Don???t have the answer that???s convenient for you. As for me I already know all I need to know about it.
Ahh this is nice to take my posts up cuz we???ll never agree
You need ???prove??? go find it, looks like I or anybody here other than TCD have it. I Don???t have the answer that???s convenient for you. As for me I already know all I need to know about it.
Ahh this is nice to take my posts up cuz we???ll never agree
I don't go by feeling. I make sure there is measurable results on top of "perceived" results. When testing a supplement I will do strength tests, bodyfat/lean body mass measurements, and bodypart measurements. Glutamine has proven itself to me time and time again.
Hey newbies...IF you choose to take supplements, and every other part of your program is in order, than make glutamine one of your first choices!
That's very well written. My sentiments exactly.
And we're talking oral here, not intravenous (where it seems to be very effective).
I've never denied glutamine raises hGH, which during the latter stages of dieting can be useful (albeit a very negible response), but to push the stuff for all causes is just ridiculous.
They uses studies for that, look at the bottom of the page, they have the sources.
Curtis Koch, he also wrote the 2 part article on Creatine:
http://www.ironmagazine.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=35
http://www.ironmagazine.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=37
