Is igf-1 DES much better then igf1-LR3?

[aminoman74]

I do it this way as pitts does but i wait 10 minutes to after shooting mgf shince mgf life is 10 minutes then shoot ipam/cjc wait 20 minutes then shoot lr3 then eat.I also do slin pre workout.Do not do lr3 pre as it will blunt mgf release as pitt put it.lr3 life is 20-30 hours.

 

[heckler7]

Lr3 may be better bang for buck but do you really want igf floating around for 30hrs attaching to ur intestines and pre cancer cells? Id rather des im if anything

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So this wont happen with DES? or is it just faster acting?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

So this wont happen with DES? or is it just faster acting?

It's half life is about 10 minutes.. so it remains localized in it's effects. It's also much stronger than LR3 as well.

 

[heckler7]

Des is cheaper and stronger, that seems like the way to go.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Des is cheaper and stronger, that seems like the way to go.

The draw back is you have to use more of it.. so it's not really cheaper. You have to split the doses bilaterally and inject in to each muscle that you worked that day.

 

[heckler7]

The draw back is you have to use more of it.. so it's not really cheaper. You have to split the doses bilaterally and inject in to each muscle that you worked that day.

ouch, and lr3 is subq right?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

ouch, and lr3 is subq right?

IM has a slightly higher bioavailability and absorbtion rate.. but subq is perfectly fine. I inject it subq.

 

[heckler7]

ok, I think I just confused myself, MGF is a type of IGF and is stronger than IGF?

 

[heckler7]

Dr. McDougall and Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 - YouTube

 

[Pittsburgh63]

ok, I think I just confused myself, MGF is a type of IGF and is stronger than IGF?

MGF is a variant of IGF that is produced locally in stressed muscles rather than in the liver. It works a little differently from IGF though. MGF is a proliferator (make new cells) and IGF is a differentiator (essentially assigns the cells as Muscle cells). They work together to create growth.. and each process has to be timed properly to get maximum results.

 

[blergs.]

It's half life is about 10 minutes.. so it remains localized in it's effects. It's also much stronger than LR3 as well.

Thats very intrue.
lr3 or des both go systemic. local growth would be the same for des or lr3. the only diffrence is once it goes systemic (5-15min for both) the Des is cleaned out very fast where as lr3 is not.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Thats very intrue.
lr3 or des both go systemic. local growth would be the same for des or lr3. the only diffrence is once it goes systemic (5-15min for both) the Des is cleaned out very fast where as lr3 is not.

In 10 minutes it's not going to become very "systemic" sure it will travel a bit, but the mass majority of the cell differentiating is going to be contained to the injection site.

 

[wiseone]

I've got a question.
Whats the best way to take IGF-1LR3 and PEG MGF on off days.
Do u take one first and then wait 20 minutes or does it not matter.
I had heard to take IGF-1LR3 in the morning before breakfast but then when would one take the PEG MGF?

Thanks for any help,

 

[Pittsburgh63]

I've got a question.
Whats the best way to take IGF-1LR3 and PEG MGF on off days.
Do u take one first and then wait 20 minutes or does it not matter.
I had heard to take IGF-1LR3 in the morning before breakfast but then when would one take the PEG MGF?

Thanks for any help,

I would stick to using the Peg mgf alone on off days and lr3 post workout. These two peps are not compatable to use at the same time. The presence the other will disrupt their function.

 

[wiseone]

Thanks Pittsburgh, I'll give that a try.

 

[PumpSkunk]

So in short DES is 1000% more anabolic than LR3. The first reply should have been "how do you plan to run it?"

LR3 is a good starter pep and you should us it and a glucose meter together. The igf family of hormones are very different from the sex hormones. I am sure everyone here knows that the 'I' in igf = insulin. LR3 has a 28 to 30 hour half life if you are a diabetic and you run LR3 your body will require less exo-insulin as LR3 will make you more sensitive to insulin.

The LR3 part of the pep was man made to extend the life of igf1 in the lab. That being said DES is not modified and therefore quickly broken down in the body hence the 10 to 20 min half life. Now if you are a hard core iFBB bodybuilding bad ass or a VERY careful experienced bodybuilder you know the ins and outs of slin use and how not to kill your self or possibly. You would stack slin with DES on a site specific bases or LR3 and less slin for over all growth or PCT maintenance.

Peps are an investment over time AAS will provide quite results, AAS stack with slin and igf is life changing.

Be safe out there and read read read!