Is juice the right answer? Please help...

[firestorm]

hahahaha thats a good one. I'll have to remember that one. Or this: You want to know how to do this? Well what time is your mom or wife cooking dinner I'll be glad to answer your questions over dinner at your house.

 

[crackerjack414]

LOL yeah I can normaly sqeeze the 90s out for about 12-15 clean reps. Its just the huge change that my body has undergone in the last year or so I held a model look at 135-140 for a couple of years now that iam over 195 at 5'5. Its funny the looks u get from people who knew me before. Damn that is such a good idea getting a free meal out of the deal I might just have to try that

 

[Mudge]

Them is some strong shoulders Cracker, I could probably flat press that but my shoulder movements are not as snazzy.

 

[Mudge]

If your blood pressure goes through the roof, or you abuse it - then steroid users get the SAME problem marathoners do. Left ventricle pumping problems. The heart becomes muscular in a bad way, and has problems evacuating blood, and thusly you are only moving the blood through your body about half capacity or so. I have heard of as bad as 25% delivery compared to normal (girlfriends 72 year old diabetic father).

Old people, marathoners, and abusers. Normal use does not do this, alot of doctors are known for not knowing "dick" about proper diet, and steroids. In fact it was a doctor that said they are not taught anything about proper diet. This from a woman who had breast cancer and treated it via food.

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by Pumping Iron
I'm kinda new to this forum thing, i've poster a few times, and i thank everyone for their input.

Onto the point..I'm a 6'1", 205lb, 22 year old bodybuilder. I eat 6-8 meals per day, including 2 protien shakes. I have pretty good size and muscularity, but I am trying to put on more mass, and I can't possibly consumer more, my metabolism is just too fast.

My question is..are steroids the answer? I spoke with an about 55 year old bodybuilder from my old gym who still had decent muscularity and some size. He told me he used to lift in the golden years of gold's gym in cali with arnold, franco etc. and was even robby robinson's training partner. i asked him about roids, and he said he never touched them...

BUT, he said he has been lifting his entire life, and he said guys he's lifted with have put on more mass from one 2-3 month cycle than from 15 years of consistent training, eating and sleeping!

Please help! I need your input! Thanks...

What supplements are you taking other than protein? If your not taking anything else you might want to try things like creatine and glutamine. It might also be good to do a cycle or two or prohormones before you do a steroid cycle. How long have you been lifting also, you want to wait a few years at least and get to your maximum genetic potential naturally before you add steroids.

 

[ZECH]

You will never reach genetic potential......as long as you lift hard and have a good diet, you can always get bigger.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by dg806
You will never reach genetic potential......as long as you lift hard and have a good diet, you can always get bigger.

I disagree.

 

[ZECH]

I thought that you thought along that line too
Ok........so how do you know when you reach max?
I might would agree that when you hit 70+, you might quit growing?? But I see guys in my gym almost 60 that are huge and natural. Still lifting more than me.

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by dg806
You will never reach genetic potential......as long as you lift hard and have a good diet, you can always get bigger.

All im saying is that obviously not everyone has the genetic potential to be a drug free champion bodybuilder, most champion bodybuilders don't even have that! But I think he should see that most people can get reasonably big and strong, at least more than average, if they try hard for a long time. And If he does lift for years and makes very significant gains and then wants to take steroids then thats fine because his body will probably respond better to them then and he will hopefully have the training experience and knowledge to not be stupid with them.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by dg806
I thought that you thought along that line too
Ok........so how do you know when you reach max?
I might would agree that when you hit 70+, you might quit growing?? But I see guys in my gym almost 60 that are huge and natural. Still lifting more than me.

I think you can hit your genetic potential (as a natural lifter) with around 15 years of solid lifting. No long term layoffs, dedicated training, and proper diet.

How many people do you know that have gone 15 years 100% dedicated to bodybuilding? Probably none, cause so many other things happen in our lives and we get side-tracked. I have been lifting since I was around 15 years old, but between the military, college, starting a career, and my family, there have been many interuptions in my training and dedication.

anyway, it's just my opinion, I do not think there is a black and white answer to this.

 

[ZECH]

Here's a good example..............
In general, improvements in arm measurement are related to gains in lean body mass. A good rule of thumb is that for every inch you want to gain on your arms, you need to gain roughly 15 pounds of equally distributed body mass. In other words, to make significant improvements in your arms, you have to gain mass all over your entire body. The human body is a finely-tuned machine that will only allow for a certain amount of asymmetry. Therefore, if you devote your training energies solely to building big arms, you'd eventually reach a point of total stagnation because you weren't training your legs. In other words, no wheels, no wings! Furthermore, if arms grew without some sort of concurrent development in the legs, most bodybuilders would have to walk on their hands.

Your arm size should reflect your ponderal index (how much muscle mass you have for your height - height/weight). In my opinion, this is the best approach, as it takes into account that arm size is a byproduct of overall mass gains.

 

[Mudge]

IMO, reaching "good" levels of muscularity and continuing to gain muscle over the years as a natural lifter is going to require you to know exactly WTF you are doing. Dietary and in the gym. This is why its so stinking hard for most of us, and why many people you see in the gym that have been going there for years, dont change much if any.

10-15 pounds per inch on the arms is about right, depending on height etc Big arms and no chest, looks stupid BTW. Upper body also relies alot on delts, traps and back for the full effect.

 

[crackerjack414]

great genetics are every where u can walk down the street and spot those naturely gifted people. But id say 8 times out of 10 they lack the mental attiude to be a bodybuilder. Its the attitude that realy makes the bodybuilder. Has any one seen the pics of Marcus Rauhl when he was 20? most pros have gifted genetics but there is a certain mental freakyness that can make up for less then perfect genetics.

 

[Mudge]

Yep, Markus Ruhl and look at Manfred Hoerberl. I agree, determination and being a "winner" in general. Arnold knew where he wanted to be, so he got himself there.

You can start with your strength and endurance, alot of the people start to sputter off at the end of a set when you can do more, especially with deads/squats. This is your first challenge IMO is overcoming yourself.

 

[aceman]

steroids

If I didn't know any better the way you guys are talking it sounds as if none of you has used steroids. Yet I have seen some of your pics and it sure looks as if that is a possible. I am 44 and go through a doctor for my steroids and originally I started on them because my normal levels were dropping to the point it caused some health problems. Since going on them I have felt better than I have in a long time. I have continual blood tests and have shown no complications. I have been working out continuous for over 5 years now and have slowly moved up in dosages. I still show no signs of problems. I did not start using until 3 years into my training though. I think its what you use and not just dosage that makes a difference. Orals really can screw you up. When you get up in age levels naturally drop making it hard if not impossible to make gains past a certain point. Adding steroids to bring your levels up to your years as a young person has its benefits physically and mentally. Well anyway im starting to ramble so I will get off my soap box.

 

[Mudge]

Not everyone in this forum has used. Frankly though, I'd rather not advertise openly how many times I masturbate, fantasize about hot nekkid womens dancing in my apartment, or things that I stick in my body that would make me a felon. People know more than they need to know about me in general, and frankly its not hard to find out who someone is, especially for those who have power to do things legally, or get people to hand over information without even trying.

An example would be eBay, they will hand over data no questions asked, they are more than happy too. AOL, same thing. You may remember that one of thier employees was searching through the member database, and happened upon someone who was gay and in the NAVY, none if his business you might think - instead he reported it to the NAVY and said person was released.

Your on HRT, thats great for you, but how about everyone else who would rather keep thier trap shut. Security is paranoia in the truest sense.

So I'm just here for the role-playing. Now I just have to find where I put my cape and Batman underoos.

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by Mudge
Frankly though, I'd rather not advertise openly how many times I masturbate, fantasize about hot nekkid womens dancing in my apartment, or things that I stick in my body that would make me a felon.

Now I just have to find where I put my cape and Batman underoos.

 

[Mudge]

Are you laughing at me occifer?

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by Mudge
Are you laughing at me occifer?

lol, just the way you said that reminded me of some people here. I suppose you won't be participating in pitboss' little contest in the open chat will you?

 

[Mudge]

I try to avoid the huge huge threads in Open Chat because they are impossible to keep up with. I think Kuso gets credit for Occifer's first useage