is mrmark harrassing anyone else?

[tucker01]

not really. Teenagers do lots of things to express themselves. And 99% of the time, they change. It is nothing to do with stupidity. It is just a part of growing up.

 

[Little Wing]

SYN, you're not hard core. You're just different. More piercings won't get you that coveted hard core status either. More piercings will just make you more different. Honestly? Nobody really cares about tats or piercings as a flavor of being different anymore. It's been done so many times in so many ways that this flavor of different isn't even going to get you a 2 on the 10 point whoa shit look at that meter.

Yeah I know you do it to express yourself. I know you do it because you like it and it's all about you choosing to be you. Been there done that ... I get it. Still, it's not hard core.

You're creative. Do something artistic that stuns people ... that would be hard core. Channel your desire to stand out into standing UP for something somewhere. Not saying that you're not already doing something equal or greater than any of those things. If you are I'd like to hear about that. I would seriously get a buzz off of a young person like you swinging for the fences in some way.

But the hard core because you have a pierced face and dress differently thing? Meh ...

Let the beating begin ...

i think she meant hardcore emo which would be different than actual hardcore but i seriously have no clue.... Tesla does this



writes and plays guitar....


n addressing this whole thread

i remember seeing some things on a site someone posted a while ago here. guys with "modified genitalia" their penises split in half, flayed,or the head removed... my live n let live philosophy went right out the door on that one. and someone posted something called "hardcore" dancing that had a milder but still similar effect.


i might say here "omfg wtf?" or what have you at the pics or vids because i don't like it. but i'm not ever going to go up to them n say i think they're disgusting freaks. i might ask the modification group why they do it, what they like about it. what they do seems shocking and even revolting to me but they're still people. people that haven't done a damn thing to me so why would i want to hurt or belittle them? n if i seek to impose my will over theirs when it comes to their bodies or artistic expression that'd make me kinda

ish

 

[Little Wing]

actually the whole cut up penis thing shocked me so much at first i think i briefly thought those people should be shot.

 

[danny81]

holy shit. wtf is that thing.

 

[Little Wing]

holy shit. wtf is that thing.

um a drawing. an exercise in light and shadow obviously . maybe that kid trying to kick your ass is a friend of my daughter's.

 

[BoneCrusher]

um a drawing. an exercise in light and shadow obviously . maybe that kid trying to kick your ass is a friend of my daughter's.

That was worse than any thing MRMARK said to your daughter LW. WTF?

 

[Little Wing]

That was worse than any thing MRMARK said to your daughter LW. WTF?

it was a joke. i've been supporting him in the thread about the fight.

 

[BoneCrusher]

i think she meant hardcore emo which would be different than actual hardcore but i seriously have no clue.... Tesla does this



writes and plays guitar....


n addressing this whole thread

i remember seeing some things on a site someone posted a while ago here. guys with "modified genitalia" their penises split in half, flayed,or the head removed... my live n let live philosophy went right out the door on that one. and someone posted something called "hardcore" dancing that had a milder but still similar effect.


i might say here "omfg wtf?" or what have you at the pics or vids because i don't like it. but i'm not ever going to go up to them n say i think they're disgusting freaks. i might ask the modification group why they do it, what they like about it. what they do seems shocking and even revolting to me but they're still people. people that haven't done a damn thing to me so why would i want to hurt or belittle them? n if i seek to impose my will over theirs when it comes to their bodies or artistic expression that'd make me kinda

ish

it does come with the territory, and that's why most hardcore kids keep to themselves. which makes those who look down on us even more pathetic, because who the hell are we hurting by being ourselves? the only people we hurt are each other and that's all fun and games (see also slap stick tattooing). the hardcore scene is like a family for every kid that's never fit in anywhere else, and it's all beautifuly bassed around music. weather it's kids in bands or kids aspiring to be in bands or kids just supporting their friends bands and trying to get up in the industry. it's a network, a sense of belonging. it's a home. it's something people outside the so called 'fad' don't get it. but when your in it and you actually live it, it's beautiful. even if it ment being accepted by the general population i wouldn't change teams. i wouldn't be a prep or anything like that for any amount of friends or popularity.

This is where I took the hard core concept from too btw ...


That post I made had two functions. One overt, with what you read in the body of the post. It was meant for SYN to react too. The other covert, aimed at you LW. I wanted to see if you were going to let her deal with her own issues or try and pull something like this.

Nothing in my post required you to step in and defend SYN. Nothing in MRMARK's posts needed you to step in either. MRMARK's comments were lame low level barely annoying statements from a troll with nothing to do. SYN could have totally dealt with that fool.

If you are going to pull her in here and get her active as a member then she needs to handle her business as a member, not have mommy following her around cleaning up after her. Furthermore when you get between her and the people she creates interactions with you diminish her potential to learn from the dialog.

NOTHING in my thread warranted a Hitler reference backed with convo about genital piercings as a rebuttal. That kind of crap would be well deserved if my post had been insulting or degrading. My post directed at SYN was supportive and engaging. It was blunt, but not rude.

Let SYN handle her own interaction at IM. She's a big girl now. She can deal with it.

 

[Little Wing]

This is where I took the hard core concept from too btw ...


That post I made had two functions. One overt, with what you read in the body of the post. It was meant for SYN to react too. The other covert, aimed at you LW. I wanted to see if you were going to let her deal with her own issues or try and pull something like this.

Nothing in my post required you to step in and defend SYN. Nothing in MRMARK's posts needed you to step in either. MRMARK's comments were lame low level barely annoying statements from a troll with nothing to do. SYN could have totally dealt with that fool.

If you are going to pull her in here and get her active as a member then she needs to handle her business as a member, not have mommy following her around cleaning up after her. Furthermore when you get between her and the people she creates interactions with you diminish her potential to learn from the dialog.

NOTHING in my thread warranted a Hitler reference backed with convo about genital piercings as a rebuttal. That kind of crap would be well deserved if my post had been insulting or degrading. My post directed at SYN was supportive and engaging. It was blunt, but not rude.

Let SYN handle her own interaction at IM. She's a big girl now. She can deal with it.

she is 15 and told me about mrmark for a reason. she didn't say anything to me at first n i didn't respond to his initial posts in her gallery. it creeped her out when he came back a month later and gave off bad vibes again and she pointed that out to me. if you want to let your 15 yr old daughter be exposed to a male that's making her uncomfortable online and not monitor it or step in when she is getting freaked out you are free to ignore what might be trouble but this is my child.

Also it's embarrassing to me to invite anyone to a place n then have my guest, as she is in a sense here, be treated badly or have to deal with trolls. nothing wrong with making a clear statement that i don't approve of members that are ignorant to one another here. she said it'd be like you were walking down the street n someone you didn't know came up to you and said "i hate your fucking guts" for no reason. that is how she felt about what he was saying so she was more than mildly annoyed.

the last part of my post wasn't a response to your post it was to the thread in general and i said so. just pointing out i'm not so accepting of other people when what they do is shocking to me. and it takes effort on my part to not cop a hitlerish attitude when something is as shocking to me as the genital mutilation.

and i responded to u cuz she just left to stay at her uncle's 'till the 26th. n where was i defending her? i just showed you a great drawing she did cuz i thought it was cool you advised her to do something creative n she does.

also of everything she's posted here i've read maybe 30 posts if that. so your mommy following her around comment is bs.

 

[danny81]

lol. its alright. atleast that was clever. little wing i actaully think it is a good drawing. i suck at drawing. if she is around 15 then she is the best drawer i have seen at that age. anyway. idk wtf it is tho. it kinda freaked me out at first.

BTW emos arent supposed to have feelings there always sad so someone maing fun of her shouldnt bother her

 

[Little Wing]

lol. its alright. atleast that was clever. little wing i actaully think it is a good drawing. i suck at drawing. if she is around 15 then she is the best drawer i have seen at that age. anyway. idk wtf it is tho. it kinda freaked me out at first.

BTW emos arent supposed to have feelings there always sad so someone maing fun of her shouldnt bother her

i think she did that one a yr or 2 ago. some days she will bring a drawing to show me and an hour later another. it amazes me. i tried just shading a small heart in high school and i sucked so bad. i encourage her to not set that talent aside and forget it like some people do when they get older.

i think it didn't bother her at first just when he came back later n i wanted to know if he was acting like that with others or had singled her out. 9 times out of ten or more like 19 out of 20 she will handle things on her own and i'm content to let her but if she is feeling uneasy about something n says so i think it'd take a shitty parent to ignore it at that point.

n i thought emo stood for emotional cuz they are all about feelings

 

[danny81]

emo- Genre of softcore punk music that integrates unenthusiastic melodramatic 17 year olds who dont smile, high pitched overwrought lyrics and inaudible guitar rifts with tight wool sweaters, tighter jeans, itchy scarfs (even in the summer), ripped chucks with favorite bands signature, black square rimmed glasses, and ebony greasy unwashed hair that is required to cover at least 3/5 ths of the face at an angle.

 

[Little Wing]

who knew

we joked that she wouldn't fit in at the mcr concert cuz she'd be wearing a huge smile.

 

[maniclion]

emo- Genre of softcore punk music that integrates unenthusiastic melodramatic 17 year olds who dont smile, high pitched overwrought lyrics and inaudible guitar rifts with tight wool sweaters, tighter jeans, itchy scarfs (even in the summer), ripped chucks with favorite bands signature, black square rimmed glasses, and ebony greasy unwashed hair that is required to cover at least 3/5 ths of the face at an angle.

Thats Pop-Emo, the generic version.....Emo actually started from a group of musicians who refused to go pop(Fugazi), and they didn't plan on starting a new genre or anything they just wanted to do what they do and express themselves....we had emo like kids when I was in school in the mid 1990's, in fact my friend Pyro was an emo...the thing is it didn't have a tag back then and most of the kids were just misfits who felt like they didn't fit in with any other group.....the problem is that now MTV and some wannabe misfit musicians have ruined it for those who really are misfits, now if you are into poetry and being artistic and being a loner you're going to get lumped into being "emo", even if you really don't identify with anything...

 

[Little Wing]

i think the most interesting people are multi faceted. i got called a granola in college cuz i sometimes wore flowery dresses with combat boots. it amused me. i didn't even know what a granola was at the time, but yea i guess i have some of that in me... vanity is kinda goth, rocker, nerd, literary, etc etc OR just a guy with a lot of nice qualities.

just cuz we identify with a certain genre more doesn't mean we are or should be defined by that alone. even in defining ourselves things end up with so many definitions we are likely to be misinterpreted.

 

[Little Wing]

i just got a flash of the pink panther cartoon music n manic as a beatnik.

 

[Witchblade]

not really. Teenagers do lots of things to express themselves. And 99% of the time, they change. It is nothing to do with stupidity. It is just a part of growing up.

danny was right that they all stop being emo when they grow up. I don't think it's necessarily stupid either, but I do think you're not giving the negative side of it enough credit. I used to think it was just a thing too, no different from skaters or jocks. I know a ton of emo's/goths/metal-heads and I've learned that 9 out of 10 are not into all that shit because they actually like it. Generally they're emo because they're unable to socialize properly, resulting in a serious lack of social attention. Most of them are very insecure. I know at least 15 people that are now giving up their goth crap, they even admit it now that they are more sure of themselves.

I mean, it's not just a coincidence that out of all kids emo's/goths try to commit suicide or do other dumb shit most.

 

[KentDog]

This is amazing.

 

[goob]

danny was right that they all stop being emo when they grow up. I don't think it's necessarily stupid either, but I do think you're not giving the negative side of it enough credit. I used to think it was just a thing too, no different from skaters or jocks. I know a ton of emo's/goths/metal-heads and I've learned that 9 out of 10 are not into all that shit because they actually like it. Generally they're emo because they're unable to socialize properly, resulting in a serious lack of social attention. Most of them are very insecure. I know at least 15 people that are now giving up their goth crap, they even admit it now that they are more sure of themselves.

I mean, it's not just a coincidence that out of all kids emo's/goths try to commit suicide or do other dumb shit most.

Always the voice of reason.

Well said. Witch, you're beyond you're age. Far you will go padwan, far you will go.

 

[BoneCrusher]

she is 15 and told me about mrmark for a reason. she didn't say anything to me at first n i didn't respond to his initial posts in her gallery. it creeped her out when he came back a month later and gave off bad vibes again and she pointed that out to me. if you want to let your 15 yr old daughter be exposed to a male that's making her uncomfortable online and not monitor it or step in when she is getting freaked out you are free to ignore what might be trouble but this is my child.

the last part of my post wasn't a response to your post it was to the thread in general and i said so (saying so doesn't make it so). just pointing out i'm not so accepting of other people when what they do is shocking to me. and it takes effort on my part to not cop a hitlerish attitude when something is as shocking to me as the genital mutilation.

This is a response to me. It is, come on you know it is. My artistic request to SYN = you putting SYN's artwork on display. Comments about her piercings as not being hard care = you posting Hitler imagery and ranting about some dork mangling his cock and artistic oppression.

Like you say how you deal with the MRMARK's of the cyber-world is your call, she is your child; however, I'm not a threat. That Hitler thing was a direct response and rebuttal to what I posted. You even included my post in yours as you tossed up a Hitler image and referenced it to an attempt to oppress SYN's tattoos and body piercings ... denied or not. So I'll say it again, SYN can handle her interactions here without mommy kicking everyone's ass or cleaning up her messes. She's shown that she can kick ass on her own. If not, than maybe she's not ready for something as risky as IM. We are a kind of way out there crowd ... . Well, ReproBro is anyway. And brother K ... he's just downright scary. Freaky frightening people to be sure ...

Also it's embarrassing to me to invite anyone to a place n then have my guest, as she is in a sense here, be treated badly or have to deal with trolls. nothing wrong with making a clear statement that i don't approve of members that are ignorant to one another here. she said it'd be like you were walking down the street n someone you didn't know came up to you and said "i hate your fucking guts" (totally not = to MRMARK's lame assed comments) for no reason. that is how she felt about what he was saying so she was more than mildly annoyed.

I don't see a guest membership status under SYN's AVI. She's a member here same as me. She's wants to be bold and edgy. She will by her own actions invite criticisms in her attempts to be bold and edgy. Goes with being who she has chosen to be. You cannot endorse her desire to be like she is, invite her here, than jump everyone that has something to say about it. You may want too, you may try to justify doing it, but ya gotta control that jump reflex cuz like every other thing in life ya just can't have it both ways. Being out there on the edge and having mommy hold her hand as she moves would make her a fraud. Who wants to be a phony? Time to burp the baby and let her walk on her own.

LW we all know that there are several law enforcement types around here. Some we know about, while some are unrevealing about what they do. It's well known that most all of these guys take men acting predacious with teen-age girls real personal when they see it. I'm certain one of them would bury this dweeb down a deep dark hole if the dweeb had stepped over the line and shown a pattern of behavior that looked suspicious. If an issue like that pops up ... pm one of these people and let the wheels of justice roll over the dweeb. Think more tank treads than wheels.

He would not get near SYN ... true story.

 

[goob]

Good post.

 

[Little Wing]

I mean, it's not just a coincidence that out of all kids emo's/goths try to commit suicide or do other dumb shit most.

it is important when your child is into anything that even remotely glorifies angst or the darker emotions in life to listen closely. if you look at even some of the artwork you will see a lot of things that are disturbing, especially the cutting trend.

but can you site a source for this

I mean, it's not just a coincidence that out of all kids emo's/goths try to commit suicide or do other dumb shit most.

because everything i've read says it's not true.

 

[MCx2]

This is a response to me. It is, come on you know it is. My artistic request to SYN = you putting SYN's artwork on display. Comments about her piercings as not being hard care = you posting Hitler imagery and ranting about some dork mangling his cock and artistic oppression.

Like you say how you deal with the MRMARK's of the cyber-world is your call, she is your child; however, I'm not a threat. That Hitler thing was a direct response and rebuttal to what I posted. You even included my post in yours as you tossed up a Hitler image and referenced it to an attempt to oppress SYN's tattoos and body piercings ... denied or not. So I'll say it again, SYN can handle her interactions here without mommy kicking everyone's ass or cleaning up her messes. She's shown that she can kick ass on her own. If not, than maybe she's not ready for something as risky as IM. We are a kind of way out there crowd ... . Well, ReproBro is anyway. And brother K ... he's just downright scary. Freaky frightening people to be sure ...

I don't see a guest membership status under SYN's AVI. She's a member here same as me. She's wants to be bold and edgy. She will by her own actions invite criticisms in her attempts to be bold and edgy. Goes with being who she has chosen to be. You cannot endorse her desire to be like she is, invite her here, than jump everyone that has something to say about it. You may want too, you may try to justify doing it, but ya gotta control that jump reflex cuz like every other thing in life ya just can't have it both ways. Being out there on the edge and having mommy hold her hand as she moves would make her a fraud. Who wants to be a phony? Time to burp the baby and let her walk on her own.

LW we all know that there are several law enforcement types around here. Some we know about, while some are unrevealing about what they do. It's well known that most all of these guys take men acting predacious with teen-age girls real personal when they see it. I'm certain one of them would bury this dweeb down a deep dark hole if the dweeb had stepped over the line and shown a pattern of behavior that looked suspicious. If an issue like that pops up ... pm one of these people and let the wheels of justice roll over the dweeb. Think more tank treads than wheels.

He would not get near SYN ... true story.

We are a kind of way out there crowd ... . Well, ReproBro is anyway. And brother K ... he's just downright scary. Freaky frightening people to be sure ...

If I didn't have it tattooed on my arm, I would take this personally.

 

[Little Wing]

This is a response to me. It is, come on you know it is. My artistic request to SYN = you putting SYN's artwork on display. Comments about her piercings as not being hard care = you posting Hitler imagery and ranting about some dork mangling his cock and artistic oppression.

Like you say how you deal with the MRMARK's of the cyber-world is your call, she is your child; however, I'm not a threat. That Hitler thing was a direct response and rebuttal to what I posted. You even included my post in yours as you tossed up a Hitler image and referenced it to an attempt to oppress SYN's tattoos and body piercings ... denied or not. So I'll say it again, SYN can handle her interactions here without mommy kicking everyone's ass or cleaning up her messes. She's shown that she can kick ass on her own. If not, than maybe she's not ready for something as risky as IM. We are a kind of way out there crowd ... . Well, ReproBro is anyway. And brother K ... he's just downright scary. Freaky frightening people to be sure ...

I don't see a guest membership status under SYN's AVI. She's a member here same as me. She's wants to be bold and edgy. She will by her own actions invite criticisms in her attempts to be bold and edgy. Goes with being who she has chosen to be. You cannot endorse her desire to be like she is, invite her here, than jump everyone that has something to say about it. You may want too, you may try to justify doing it, but ya gotta control that jump reflex cuz like every other thing in life ya just can't have it both ways. Being out there on the edge and having mommy hold her hand as she moves would make her a fraud. Who wants to be a phony? Time to burp the baby and let her walk on her own.

LW we all know that there are several law enforcement types around here. Some we know about, while some are unrevealing about what they do. It's well known that most all of these guys take men acting predacious with teen-age girls real personal when they see it. I'm certain one of them would bury this dweeb down a deep dark hole if the dweeb had stepped over the line and shown a pattern of behavior that looked suspicious. If an issue like that pops up ... pm one of these people and let the wheels of justice roll over the dweeb. Think more tank treads than wheels.

He would not get near SYN ... true story.

it wasn't directed at you in any way. i've always considered you a friend and there was absolutely nothing in your post that i saw as less that friendly or took any offense to. there was nothing to rebutt except now your insistance that i was rebutting

and this guy got on Tesla's ass over a month ago, if i was policing anyone's interaction with her here i'd have said something then. you are insulting her and i with the mommy to the rescue bullshit at this point. like i said she has what about 200 posts here n i've read a fraction of them. i wasn't about to privately pm everyone to see if Tesla was the only one he was being an ass to. n if she felt bad enough to say something to me about it she was plenty upset cuz she usually doesn't.

another female member here had problems with a male member here getting her home address and threatening to show up there. she still has no idea how he got it n she was scared shitless at the time. as far as i know dg806 is the only cop here and at 15 Tesla is still my responsibility. i'm not about to just step back n let a situation like this go unchecked cuz a bunch of people online i've never met assure me they will keep my kid safe. i taught Tesla, among other things, to trust her intuition. her intuition told her this guy needed to be brought to my attention, that what he was doing was creepy. sorry you disapprove of how i handled it.

 

[Little Wing]

Being out there on the edge and having mommy hold her hand as she moves would make her a fraud. Who wants to be a phony?

so next time some guy gives her the creeps online n she feels he might be some nutjob she shouldn't tell me cuz it'd be better to be an edgy dead girl than a fraud? n the time some 30 something year old guy started posting on her forum that was for young teen girls she probably shouldn't have told me that either? nevermind that it was all underage girls discussing their sexuality, she should have handled it herself i guess.

we encourage our kids to come to us when something doesn't feel quite right then either ignore them or humiliate them when they do?

 

[Witchblade]

but can you site a source for this (wb: higher suicide attempts rates among emos)

On the news incl. experts' views, anecdotal evidence and an investigation

Pages full of statistics incl. tons of references

Took me about 10 seconds to find those links on Google. First results. It's blatantly obvious. Depression, emo, suicide attempts, lack of attention, group behaviour... find the link.

Being emo ain't frigging healthy.

 

[Little Wing]

This is a response to me. It is, come on you know it is.

and yes that is but it wasn't in the post with the hitler pic where i said i get shocked at things n think wtf too. if you were trying to offend me in the original post you sucked at it cuz i still see nothing wrong with what you said. in the post with hitler i put what i was responding to that you said in bold which was simply

You're creative. Do something artistic that stuns people ...

that you can't accept that i wasn't giving you shit doesn't mean i was. i responded with more after you insisted i was rebutting what you said n added the other bs.

now i'm giving you shit but it's more playful than ill willed. just so you know.

 

[Little Wing]

On the news incl. experts' views, anecdotal evidence and an investigation

Pages full of statistics incl. tons of references

Took me about 10 seconds to find those links on Google. First results. It's blatantly obvious. Depression, emo, suicide attempts, lack of attention, group behaviour... find the link.

Being emo ain't frigging healthy.

'Emo' culture exposed!

 

[Little Wing]

The opposition to rock 'n' roll has a long history, probably started with the

first hit. But it took THE BEATLES, especially John Lennon's ill-advised

Jesus comparison, to really crystallize the opposition. And leading the

charge was David Noebel. The crusty old professor of the anti-rock

school, Noebel was one of the few to inject something other than

extensive knowledge of the Old Testament into his attacks on rock 'n' roll.

Starting in 1966 with his first book, RHYTHM RIOTS, AND REVOLUTION,

he utilized scholarly footnotes, Aristotle quotes, and elaborate

pseudo-science in his battle against the backbeat. Virtually every

anti-rock writer since owes him a heavy debt, directly or indirectly.

Noebel sees rock music as a subversive Communist plot. He accuses

the Soviets of using "an elaborate calculated scientific technique aimed

at rendering a generation of American youth neurotic through

nerve-jamming, mental deterioration, and retardation". The method is the

widespread broadcasting of music with a steady, primitive beat

synchronized with the body's natural rhythms literally hypnotizes the

unsuspecting listener. Rock 'n' roll, with a voodoo inspired "jungle beat",

fits the bill. He writes "THE BEATLES, or THE MINDBENDERS, for

example, need only mass hypnotize thousands of American youth,

condition their emotions through the beat of the 'music' and then have

someone give the word for riot and revolt...If the following scientific

program is not exposed, degenerated Americans will indeed raise the

Communist flag over their own nation".
​

 

[Witchblade]

Ok, so I provide facts, news broadcasts, experts' opinions, statistics, anecdotal evidence and the creme de la creme statistics. You come up with some links saying all that anti-emo stuff is over the top and overrated. *attachment*

I feel kind of silly for even having to back this up with anything at all. It's like having to prove jocks are generally good at sports.