is mrmark harrassing anyone else?

[Little Wing]

if you want reliable information on suicide you can look at national statistics, get information from the american association of suicidology etc. instead of relying on some media kneejerk reaction to some music subculture.

yes some emo kids cut themselves but when we ran into a problem with a girl we know doing it a professional mental health specialist told us to ignore the girl's cutting. that she was doing it for attention and that the best thing was to not reward it with attention. she was trying to manipulate more time and attention from friends and people who were being caring and compassionate were feeling trapped in a relationship they really didn't want. the professional was absolutely convinced there was no risk of suicide and he was right. when this girl was deprived of the attention she got from cutting she stopped.

also in kids that do cut, cutting is seen by professionals as a method of avoiding suicide. it is a release valve for emotions a person can't handle. like letting some of the pressure out of a pressure cooker.

 

[Little Wing]

Ok, so I provide facts, news broadcasts, experts' opinions, statistics, anecdotal evidence and the creme de la creme statistics. You come up with some links saying all that anti-emo stuff is over the top and overrated. *attachment*

I feel kind of silly for even having to back this up with anything at all. It's like having to prove jocks are generally good at sports.

sorry but the agencies that do actual research and deal with suicide and the prevention of suicide do not support the media. i prefer to trust the experts. and what you provided was from utah where there are less emo and goth kids than there are in most places and the other thing actually said heavy metal fans draw more fans that are suicidal.

 

[Witchblade]

if you want reliable information on suicide you can look at national statistics, get information from the american association of suicidology etc. instead of relying on some media kneejerk reaction to some music subculture.

How on earth do you think you could get more than an educated guess on the subject of attempts of suicide? It's not like every emo that cuts himself is going to report it. Even more so, usually it's... ---->

yes some emo kids cut themselves but when we ran into a problem with a girl we know doing it a professional mental health specialist told us to ignore the girl's cutting. that she was doing it for attention and that the best thing was to not reward it with attention. she was trying to manipulate more time and attention from friends and people who were being caring and compassionate were feeling trapped in a relationship they really didn't want. the professional was absolutely convinced there was no risk of suicide and he was right. when this girl was deprived of the attention she got from cutting she stopped.

... just a crave for attention. Just like I said. Attempts of suicide, need for attention. Doesn't sound healthy to me.

also in kids that do cut, cutting is seen by professionals as a method of avoiding suicide. it is a release valve for emotions a person can't handle. like letting some of the pressure out of a pressure cooker.

Definitely. And that's not a good thing.

So you agree being emo is not a good thing then?

Added note: heavy metal fans/ goths / emos w/e. Same story.

 

[Plateau_Max]

Does either Tesla or mrmark realize there's a 6 page thread about them?

 

[Witchblade]

It's about emos now.

 

[Little Wing]

How on earth do you think you could get more than an educated guess on the subject of attempts of suicide? It's not like every emo that cuts himself is going to report it. Even more so, usually it's... ---->


... just a crave for attention. Just like I said. Attempts of suicide, need for attention. Doesn't sound healthy to me.


Definitely. And that's not a good thing.

So you agree being emo is not a good thing then?

no, i'm saying an emo kid is at no greater risk of suicide or doing stupid shit than any other kid. there are a lot of happy emo kids. being an abused child isn't healthy or the child of a drug addict or a drunk. being mentally ill isn't healthy. all kids that are drawn to emo or goth or rock or metal are not jumping on a trainride to death n destruction and i think it's just as stupid to assume they are as it was for the parents who thought rock n roll was the devil's music to vilify it.

 

[Witchblade]

I'd classify slicing one's wrists open with a razor to get some attention as unhealthy. No, in fact I'd call those kids f*cking mental.

Of course it's not all of them.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. It's 3AM here and neither of us is going to change his view on this.

 

[BoneCrusher]

it wasn't directed at you in any way. i've always considered you a friend and there was absolutely nothing in your post that i saw as less that friendly or took any offense to. there was nothing to rebutt except now your insistance that i was rebutting (you included my post in yours and addressed the only two points I made directly ... deny it all day long )

and this guy got on Tesla's ass over a month ago, if i was policing anyone's interaction with her here i'd have said something then. you are insulting her and i with the mommy to the rescue bullshit at this point (Nah I'm not insulting either one of you LW and you know it. I've never insulted you and wouldn't.). like i said she has what about 200 posts here n i've read a fraction of them. i wasn't about to privately pm everyone to see if Tesla was the only one he was being an ass to (when ever I sort out whether someone deserves to get the horns I just read their posts. Back when rich46yo was being a total ass it was how I decided to jump his case). n if she felt bad enough to say something to me about it she was plenty upset cuz she usually doesn't.

another female member here had problems with a male member here getting her home address and threatening to show up there. she still has no idea how he got it n she was scared shitless at the time. as far as i know dg806 is the only cop here and at 15 Tesla is still my responsibility. i'm not about to just step back n let a situation like this go unchecked cuz a bunch of people online i've never met assure me they will keep my kid safe. i taught Tesla, among other things, to trust her intuition. her intuition told her this guy needed to be brought to my attention, that what he was doing was creepy. sorry you disapprove of how i handled it.

You twisted what I said into something else, then you objected to your version of what I said . What right would I have to critique or "approve of" your methods of maintaining a secure environment for your daughter? I don't and I didn't. For you to twist what I said around into that is just you trying to hold your ground on one of the issues some of us are talking about in this thread. Either you don't get my point LW, or you do get it and want to dispose of the concept. Which one is it?

Now about the stalker types.

I never said, implied, or in any remote way suggested that you should "step back n let a situation like this go unchecked cuz a bunch of people online i've never met assure me they will keep my kid safe". That was all you doing your twist and shout thing again.

 

[AKIRA]

no, i'm saying an emo kid is at no greater risk of suicide or doing stupid shit than any other kid. there are a lot of happy emo kids. being an abused child isn't healthy or the child of a drug addict or a drunk. being mentally ill isn't healthy. all kids that are drawn to emo or goth or rock or metal are not jumping on a trainride to death n destruction and i think it's just as stupid to assume they are as it was for the parents who thought rock n roll was the devil's music to vilify it.

That really is subjective, but being emo and having emotional problems go hand in hand. To argue against it shows extreme favoritism. Which I can understand coming from you.

 

[AKIRA]

danny was right that they all stop being emo when they grow up. I don't think it's necessarily stupid either, but I do think you're not giving the negative side of it enough credit. I used to think it was just a thing too, no different from skaters or jocks. I know a ton of emo's/goths/metal-heads and I've learned that 9 out of 10 are not into all that shit because they actually like it. Generally they're emo because they're unable to socialize properly, resulting in a serious lack of social attention. Most of them are very insecure. I know at least 15 people that are now giving up their goth crap, they even admit it now that they are more sure of themselves.

I mean, it's not just a coincidence that out of all kids emo's/goths try to commit suicide or do other dumb shit most.

I am prolly most impressed with Witch at this point from this single post.

What goths and such are proud of are the very same things they are frowned upon. Nobody understands it and its supposed to be that way. Not to make a blatant speculation, but if everyone understood why emo..s are they way they are, emo..s would evolve into something ELSE. Its the oddity that makes them who they are.

Ill also completly agree with Witch about most kids that are emo..s are that way cuz they have no friends. I mean, they are the only group that will accept ANYONE! Well, them and fat people. All you gotta do is look depressed, dress oddly, and BAM, youre one of them. Not really creative...

Ill also go out on a limb and say that if some emo..s had a chance to hang with the "cool" crowd and really be befriended, theyd drop all that makeup and pick up a cheerleading outfit or a football.

Anyone can be whatever they want..but to not even consider this being an unhealthy route, is like considering that its ok for a 30year old man to fuck a 17 year old girl. These 30yr olds really think what they are doing is fine and shouldnt be punishable. They BELIEVE it. They need help.

Yes, I made an odd comparison, but the point is clear.

 

[Little Wing]

That really is subjective, but being emo and having emotional problems go hand in hand. To argue against it shows extreme favoritism. Which I can understand coming from you.

i hear what you're saying but having been an emotional teen wayyyyy before emo was invented i think all kids can have these problems and many do. it's not exclusive to any particular scene it can be anywhere. being a teen and experiencing some sort of emotional problems go hand in hand pretty much. emo kids are not more depressed or less depressed than other kids from what i've seen in my own life and from what Tesla has shared of her experiences.

 

[Little Wing]

You twisted what I said into something else, then you objected to your version of what I said . What right would I have to critique or "approve of" your methods of maintaining a secure environment for your daughter? I don't and I didn't. For you to twist what I said around into that is just you trying to hold your ground on one of the issues some of us are talking about in this thread. Either you don't get my point LW, or you do get it and want to dispose of the concept. Which one is it?

Now about the stalker types.

I never said, implied, or in any remote way suggested that you should "step back n let a situation like this go unchecked cuz a bunch of people online i've never met assure me they will keep my kid safe". That was all you doing your twist and shout thing again.

after the point of "and to address this whole thread" i wasn't speaking to you at all i only aimed the i have no clue what the emo hardcore thing is n the art thing at you

delude yourself all you want.

and you said she's a big girl she can handle stuff by herself, mommy shouldn't hold her hand here... that i'm following her around "cleaning up her messes" how does that not imply that i shouldn't have stepped in with mrmark?

n furthermore mr i know you were rebutting me when she joined here you were one of the guys on the these people are really nice n will never give you a hard time list.

 

[Gazhole]

Added note: heavy metal fans...Same story.

I move this is stricken from the list.

Im a heavy metal fan, and most of my friends are, and i guarantee you we're some of the most socially well adjusted, happy, laid back people ever shot out of a vagina.

We just like a bit of heavy guitars, yo'.

 

[Little Wing]

not even consider this being an unhealthy route...

anything can be an unhealthy route. it doesn't mean it is with every child or every emo or goth. some of them are potential suicides and serial killers some atheist are some christians are. dieting can become anorexia, bodybuilding can become body dysmorphic disorder.

you just need to pay attention. you also need to let your children be who they are tho once you see they are healthy and you can trust their judgement. some emo kids are a mess but some aren't some have no friends and some have great friends. i think it's a mistake to say this kid is emo so they are obviously deeply troubled, prone to suicide and have no friends. it's ridiculous.

 

[Little Wing]

Goth Youths Prone to Suicide Attempts and Self-Mutilation - CME Teaching Brief® - MedPage Today

vanity found this article on a study of suicide in the goth culture. hopefully no parent thinks they don't need to take a look at what their kids gravitate toward n find out why. sometimes where there is smoke there is fire but there might just be a healthy kid that likes something different too. get involved, find out. don't assume.

 

[AKIRA]

Check the horse...I think its dead.

I am putting down my bat.

 

[BoneCrusher]

after the point of "and to address this whole thread" i wasn't speaking to you at all i only aimed the i have no clue what the emo hardcore thing is n the art thing at you

delude yourself all you want. ...

and you said she's a big girl she can handle stuff by herself, mommy shouldn't hold her hand here... that i'm following her around "cleaning up her messes" how does that not imply that i shouldn't have stepped in with mrmark?

n furthermore mr i know you were rebutting me when she joined here you were one of the guys on the these people are really nice n will never give you a hard time list.

Lol ... I'm giving you a hard time not SYN

 

[AKIRA]

This is one of the oddest threads on IM. Something so clear is yet so blurry.

 

[largepkg]

LW, you seemingly allow/encourage your daughter to verbalize herself and act out as an adult and yet you feel the need to revert to the overly protective momma role when a few very minor comments are made.

You say your daughter can handle herself and then imply guys like "whatever his name is" is a possible danger because he came back and made another comment a month later. I'm sorry but again, I certainly don't see anything threatening by what he said.

For you to over react to this minor incident tells me that you're a protective mother and your daughter isn't as hardcore as she/you portray her to be. All of which is fine but stop acting that way.

 

[Little Wing]

Lol ... I'm giving you a hard time not SYN

the fact is if i try to fight her battles i'm in for an ass kicking myself. from her. so by the time she does tell me she has an issue i know she feels pretty bad. n i swear on both my kid's lives i wasn't addressing you with the mutilation or hitler stuff. hitler came to mind cuz someone recently posted a emo hitler pic. n c'mon i'm a mom. if there's a chance to show off her art i'm going to

 

[Little Wing]

LW, you seemingly allow/encourage your daughter to verbalize herself and act out as an adult and yet you feel the need to revert to the overly protective momma role when a few very minor comments are made.

You say your daughter can handle herself and then imply guys like "whatever his name is" is a possible danger because he came back and made another comment a month later. I'm sorry but again, I certainly don't see anything threatening by what he said.

For you to over react to this minor incident tells me that you're a protective mother and your daughter isn't as hardcore as she/you portray her to be. All of which is fine but stop acting that way.

if he said that shit to anyone here i'd be pissed but more so tess, myself, shae, jodi... in other words females. a guy being ignorant to females seems creepy.

n read the whole thread. he said ignorant shit to her over a month ago n i never said a word till now.

 

[largepkg]

if he said that shit to anyone here i'd be pissed but more so tess, myself, shae, jodi... in other words females. a guy being ignorant to females seems creepy.

n read the whole thread. he said ignorant shit to her over a month ago n i never said a word till now.

I read the thread and you said that you only said something because Tess came to you in what I assume was an emotional situation???

Again, this to me would be the protective momma coming out but probably not warranted.

 

[Little Wing]

I read the thread and you said that you only said something because Tess came to you in what I assume was an emotional situation???

Again, this to me would be the protective momma coming out but probably not warranted.

well i guess i must be jodi's momma too cuz i attempted to rip foreman a new asshole for what he did to her.

 

[largepkg]

You're changing the issue at hand. I'm not even criticizing you for being protective, I actually applaud it.

Foreman was/is a douche bag and Jodi doesn't need anyone to protect her either.

 

[Hialeahchico]

Originally Posted by largepkg
I read the thread and you said that you only said something because Tess came to you in what I assume was an emotional situation???

Again, this to me would be the protective momma coming out but probably not warranted

a hot protective momma.

 

[MCx2]

***Newsflash***

Being emo IS all about being an outcast, having a hard time dealing with social situations, being depressed, etc.....

What the fuck is even being argued here!!?!?


READ: Wikipedia - Emo

Personality

When referring to a person's personality and attitude, most definitions of emo hold that an emo person is emotionally candid, sensitive, shy, introverted, glum, and quiet.[7] Emo personality is also often connected with writing poetry that addresses confusion, depression, loneliness, and anger, all resulting from the world's inability to understand the author. Emo poetry uses a combination of any of: a highly emotional tone; stream of consciousness writing; a simple (ABAB) or nonexistent rhyme scheme; references to the flesh, especially the heart; heavy use of dark or depressing adjectives; and concern over the mutability of time, love, or both. Themes such as life is pain are common.[10]

Criticism

In the years since emo music's rise in popularity, it has attracted criticism, often severe.[11] The term emo itself is sometimes used pejoratively, to suggest that the target is overly emotional.[7] Emo has been characterized as a fad that will be discarded and forgotten in the near future.[12] Recent trends in music has also been compared to the teen pop of 1990s boy bands.[12][13] Critics cast the music as lacking any artistic merit, the fashion as "embarrassing," and the people as imagining or pretending that they lead harsh, painful lives when they actually live in comfortable, middle- to upper-class homes.[12] Members of the emo subculture are portrayed by critics as melodramatic, self-pitying teenagers who pour their efforts into writing bad poetry and spending a great amount of time on MySpace.[11][12][14] The current emo subculture has been called a "sad caricature" of what it once was.[11] Some have accused emo of celebrating self-harm.[15] Some assert that within some emo circles it is cool to pretend to be suicidal and self-harm.[12] Critics have gone so far as to contend that the emo's influence is likely to cause youth to commit suicide.[15][12]
The backlash against emo has become so prevalent that it may itself have become a cliché: one commentator notes that "hating emo kids these days is as hackneyed as emo itself."[11]

Biggest crock of shit I have ever seen in my life.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_(slang)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_(slang)

 

[Little Wing]

LW, you seemingly allow/encourage your daughter to verbalize herself and act out as an adult and yet you feel the need to revert to the overly protective momma role when a few very minor comments are made.

You say your daughter can handle herself and then imply guys like "whatever his name is" is a possible danger because he came back and made another comment a month later. I'm sorry but again, I certainly don't see anything threatening by what he said.

For you to over react to this minor incident tells me that you're a protective mother and your daughter isn't as hardcore as she/you portray her to be. All of which is fine but stop acting that way.

You're changing the issue at hand. I'm not even criticizing you for being protective, I actually applaud it.

Foreman was/is a douche bag and Jodi doesn't need anyone to protect her either.

i never said he threatened her i said he was giving her the creeps. n i never said Tesla was hardcore she said that n i said maybe she meant hardcore emo but i had no clue.

n no jodi certainly doesn't need my help defending herself but she did appreciate someone that got along with foreman giving him shit for his behavior at the time.

 

[Little Wing]

***Newsflash***

Being emo IS all about being an outcast, having a hard time dealing with social situations, being depressed, etc.....

What the fuck is even being argued here!!?!?


READ: Wikipedia - Emo





Biggest crock of shit I have ever seen in my life.

did you even read that?

The backlash against emo has become so prevalent that it may itself have become a cliché: one commentator notes that "hating emo kids these days is as hackneyed as emo itself."

do the same thing with rock, metal etc n see if one totally defines who you are. that's the argument. people cannot be that easily defined. you need to take the individual into account not just the tag.

 

[MCx2]

did you even read that?



do the same thing with rock, metal etc n see if one totally defines who you are. that's the argument. people cannot be that easily defined. you need to take the individual into account not just the tag.

The crock of shit is that we are all PEOPLE!!!! FUCK LABELS!!!

 

[Little Wing]

yayyyyyy!!!!!