JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

[NVRBDR]

JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL
You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose
Illegal".
Both families have two parents, two
children, and live in California .
Joe Legal works in construction, has a
Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per
hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has
NO Social Security Number, and gets paid
$15.00 cash "under the table".
Ready? Now pay attention...
Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours =
$1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year.
Now take 30% away for state and federal
taxes; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours =
$600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year.
Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now
has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance
with limited coverage for his family at
$600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year.
Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental
coverage through the state and local clinics
at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal
still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal makes too much money and is not
eligible for food stamps or welfare.. Joe
Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or
$6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has
$18,031.00.
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is
eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose
Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month,
or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has
$9,631.00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month
federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out
that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per
year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or
$2,400.00 for life insurance. Joe Legal now
has $7,231.00.
Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no
stinkin' insurance!" and still has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch
to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00
stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what
he sends out of the country every month.
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or
gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to
enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both
attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for
his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's
children get a government sponsored lunch.
Jose Illegal's children have an after school
ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the
same police and fire services, but Joe paid
for them and Jose did not pay.
Do you get it, now?
If you vote for or support any politician
that supports illegal aliens ...
You're part of the problem!

 

[Gissurjon]

If I only took the time to read another one of your bullshit posts... but hey, jersey shore is on re-run so..

 

[CG]

You may have just made a republican out of me friend

 

[NVRBDR]

If I only took the time to read another one of your bullshit posts... but hey, jersey shore is on re-run so..

you're not smart enough to understand them, don't waste your time. jersey shore rerun? lol. that makes perfect sense, lol.

 

[LAM]

you still haven't figured out that historically elites favor immigration. it helps to push wages down and revenue from consumption and goods & services up. all that money that gets sent back to Mexico ends up in the profits of US large firms since the Mexican economy is designed mainly for export. the majority of their consumable goods are being made in US company's and imported into Mexico for sale.

Export.gov - FTA - NAFTA

the states can not afford the cost of increased border security, etc. and the 1% on the Hill will never pass any legislation stopping it....LMAO

if not for the illegal immigration from Mexico into the US the population growth would be even less than it is now, which means that GDP is obviously going to contract even more as the US population growth continues to decline. US consumers are also burden by debt since wages in the service sector are insufficient for excess consumption and credit has been tightened along with the home equity that was lost which fueled much of the excess consumption in the 2000's.


there's as much chance of immigration reform being passed as there is big tobacco taking the carcinogens out of their products...

 

[ctr10]

It's true and its only the tip of the iceberg, if your a illegal immigrant get the fuck out of our country

 

[maxpro2]

you still haven't figured out that historically elites favor immigration. it helps to push wages down and revenue from consumption and goods & services up. all that money that gets sent back to Mexico ends up in the profits of US large firms since the Mexican economy is designed mainly for export. the majority of their consumable goods are being made in US company's and imported into Mexico for sale.

Export.gov - FTA - NAFTA

the states can not afford the cost of increased border security, etc. and the 1% on the Hill will never pass any legislation stopping it....LMAO

if not for the illegal immigration from Mexico into the US the population growth would be even less than it is now, which means that GDP is obviously going to contract even more as the US population growth continues to decline. US consumers are also burden by debt since wages in the service sector are insufficient for excess consumption and credit has been tightened along with the home equity that was lost which fueled much of the excess consumption in the 2000's.


there's as much chance of immigration reform being passed as there is big tobacco taking the carcinogens out of their products...

The first poster tells a propaganda story that does not use real statistics, typical of conservatives. LAM responds with actual facts and policy reasons why you should stop being so ridiculous because things will never change. Can't help but sit back and love LAM destroying everyone on this forum.

 

[maniclion]

Sounds like wages for legal residents needs to go up, cause ain't no one going to stop the mass migration problem. But if Americans had more income they could go on vacations to places like mexico and help stimulate their economy through tourist dollars. Joe Legal would have more time to mow his own yard...

 

[NVRBDR]

The first poster tells a propaganda story that does not use real statistics, typical of conservatives. LAM responds with actual facts and policy reasons why you should stop being so ridiculous because things will never change. Can't help but sit back and love LAM destroying everyone on this forum.

lol, I employ a variety of people, I have personally witnessed real life situations with real people in need, and be turned down because they earn too much. I also know "several wetbacks" that have construction crews that make well over 100K+ a year and don't pay a dime in taxes, but they sure send money to Mexico and many of them had their babies right here in the good ole' USA for free. when they vacation, it's for no less than a month, and it's ALWAYS in Mexico.

here's a stat for ya...
According to an AZDHS report, in 2009, Arizona taxpayers ponied up somewhere between $30,000,000-$70,000,000 to pay for thousands of illegal immigrants to give birth in Arizona hospitals.
and another one for ya... Obama Administration has provided the nation's 11 to 18 million illegal aliens with work permits and temporary legal status. All this with a 8+% unemployment rate and for many a very shitty economy

 

[hypo_glycemic]

 

[Canucklehead]

lol, I employ a variety of people, I have personally witnessed real life situations with real people in need, and be turned down because they earn too much. I also know "several wetbacks" that have construction crews that make well over 100K+ a year and don't pay a dime in taxes, but they sure send money to Mexico and many of them had their babies right here in the good ole' USA for free. when they vacation, it's for no less than a month, and it's ALWAYS in Mexico.

here's a stat for ya...
According to an AZDHS report, in 2009, Arizona taxpayers ponied up somewhere between $30,000,000-$70,000,000 to pay for thousands of illegal immigrants to give birth in Arizona hospitals.
and another one for ya... Obama Administration has provided the nation's 11 to 18 million illegal aliens with work permits and temporary legal status. All this with a 8+% unemployment rate and for many a very shitty economy

No you don't.

 

[oufinny]

Naturally its all our fault, fuck those 1% and god forbid that guy not paying taxes has to leave. Liberals love taxes and paying them, this should infuriate you but since conservatives promote the change, you'll never support it.

 

[maniclion]

Naturally its all our fault, fuck those 1% and god forbid that guy not paying taxes has to leave. Liberals love taxes and paying them, this should infuriate you but since conservatives promote the change, you'll never support it.

If employers a)paid better wages to Joe Legal and b) stopped being so fucking cheap that he hires Jose Illegal and even Jack Legal-Underthetable this wouldn't be an issue. Too many employers are just too fucking greedy that they make this nation ripe for illegals. If they couldn't get jobs they'd stop coming...

 

[troubador]

If employers a)paid better wages to Joe Legal and b) stopped being so fucking cheap that he hires Jose Illegal and even Jack Legal-Underthetable this wouldn't be an issue. Too many employers are just too fucking greedy that they make this nation ripe for illegals. If they couldn't get jobs they'd stop coming...

That should be a function of the federal government. Saying the love of money is the root of evil isn't very progressive.

 

[oufinny]

If employers a)paid better wages to Joe Legal and b) stopped being so fucking cheap that he hires Jose Illegal and even Jack Legal-Underthetable this wouldn't be an issue. Too many employers are just too fucking greedy that they make this nation ripe for illegals. If they couldn't get jobs they'd stop coming...

Nice observation, now you come up with the solution and present it. The American dream that so many love to refer to makes this practice acceptable, it is at its core to make money and be successful. Minimum wage law should be much higher no question but allowing illegals to collect what a citizen that pays taxes can't, that is FUCKED UP! There is no argument to justify this, no matter how many studies LAM or you refer to, it is flat out wrong. I could give a shit about legal immigrants, many do shitty jobs no one wants (good for them taking them on), but they need to pay for the privilege to work in this country like everybody else. The only way I can see to stop illegals is to have HUGE fines for hiring them.

 

[hypo_glycemic]

No you don't.

 

[bigdtrain]

well you see these illegals do not have free clinics and heath services. if they get very sick or need medical attention. yes they will get help, but then they will also be deported. being illegal in this country also has many downsides as oposed to up. live free or die baby.

 

[NVRBDR]

No you don't.

you need a job? bring your green card, I'll find some landscape work for you to do around one of my houses.

 

[Zaphod]

That should be a function of the federal government. Saying the love of money is the root of evil isn't very progressive.

Perhaps. But it's true.

 

[Zaphod]

you need a job? bring your green card, I'll find some landscape work for you to do around one of my houses.

Sure.

 

[NVRBDR]

If employers a)paid better wages to Joe Legal and b) stopped being so fucking cheap that he hires Jose Illegal and even Jack Legal-Underthetable this wouldn't be an issue. Too many employers are just too fucking greedy that they make this nation ripe for illegals. If they couldn't get jobs they'd stop coming...

greedy? really? here's an idea for the man who isn't greedy. instead of blaming employers that are actually contributing to the economy and making a real difference by employing those that want to work, get up right now, get your check book and write your first of many monthly checks to the beloved government. Instead of giving to charity, assuming you do, start cutting that monthly check to the government, be proactive in paying for the subsidized living you so vehemently believe everyone should have. Then cut your own grass.

 

[NVRBDR]

Sure.

I have 5 acres that needs to be mowed, lol, you want in?

 

[Zaphod]

greedy? really? here's an idea for the man who isn't greedy. instead of blaming employers that are actually contributing to the economy and making a real difference by employing those that want to work, get up right now, get your check book and write your first of many monthly checks to the beloved government. Instead of giving to charity, assuming you do, start cutting that monthly check to the government, be proactive in paying for the subsidized living you so vehemently believe everyone should have. Then cut your own grass.

Are you saying those that are unemployed don't want to work?

 

[Zaphod]

I have 5 acres that needs to be mowed, lol, you want in?

That's it?

 

[hypo_glycemic]

If employers a)paid better wages to Joe Legal and b) stopped being so fucking cheap that he hires Jose Illegal and even Jack Legal-Underthetable this wouldn't be an issue. Too many employers are just too fucking greedy that they make this nation ripe for illegals. If they couldn't get jobs they'd stop coming...

This^

Especially in California!

 

[NVRBDR]

That's it?

haha... nope, it's not, I have a contract on the rest of my land, that is just what is fenced around my ranch house.

 

[NVRBDR]

Are you saying those that are unemployed don't want to work?

no. I wrote what I meant. Focus.

 

[Zaphod]

That's a nice story.

 

[NVRBDR]

This^

Especially in California!

giving indefinite "work visas" to ALL of them didn't help the cause hypo. we have no clue as to what degree of change we are about to get from his most recent atrocity.

 

[Zaphod]

no. I wrote what I meant. Focus.

It's hard to tell what you mean and what you don't. You believe so much fantasy and regurgitate it trying to pass it off as fact it's hard to tell when you're being serious and when you're telling another fantasy.