Latest on andro ban

[1Fast400]

I'm tired of seeing people throwing things around. I will give you the most up to date info that is known.

1: Nobody knows exactly when the ban will be. All that can be done are good guesses.

2: The best information right now says that June 1st will be a big day. It is possible the bill will be set into motion. If this were the case it would take 3 weeks roughly to pass. As it stands now there is no grace period. Meaning when Bush signs it, it would be effective right then.

3: Senator Kennedy is trying to add DHEA to the list. Hopefully this will be met with opposition and slow down the bill. This information will hopefully be found out next week, the week of the 1st. If it is not met with opposition or if it is dropped by Kennedy, #2 will likely happen

4: These hormones will NOT be saved, they can only be delayed. The best hope is for a long grace period. As it stands now, there is no such grace period put in. This is what you should hope for.

5: You can't get into trouble for having purchased these items for the ban. They can't come and seize online records of retailers and go hunt down you for buying a bottle of 1AD or M4OHN or whatever.

6: The rules in which the DEA works with will be cut down. This will allow them to add new compounds in a speedy fashion. Just because a compound isn't listed on the list, don't think it can't be added almost instantly. If anyone tells you they know their compound will survive is probably not aware of this.

7: Best case, these things last till the Olympics, but will almost 100% be banned before then.


These is the best and more accurate information out there right now. Anyone saying otherwise is probably trying to blow smoke. I will update as I have more information.

 

[brodus]

This really clears things up-->thanks for your help!

Once again, 1Fast rocks!

 

[PreMier]

Great information.

 

[Arnold]

http://www.usfa.biz/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=94&sid=84e6101d0889ed5522abbe525d499c10

...if the Senate bill were to go through "unscathed" and was not "marked up" in committee, it would go to a vote in the Senate, then the House and then would go to the President's desk for a vote. We are closely monitoring the "issue" that is currently stalling the bill's approval, and we are continually lobbying to slow its passing.

Unfortunately, best case scenario, this legislation will almost certainly go into effect by August for the upcoming Olympic games... maybe sooner. I'm sure that at this point, Congress will do whatever is necessary to ensure that this bill is in effect by Olympics.

 

[tucker01]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1815134

Almost over

 

[nikegurl]

I never did like baseball.

 

[Arnold]

We can all thank Mark McGuire when he said that he was using Andro (to cover up for his steroid use), that is what sparked all of this, and of course thank MLB too!

 

[Arnold]

Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- The House overwhelmingly voted Thursday to limit sales of steroid precursors such as androstenedione following congressional and public pressure to stamp out performance-enhancing drug use among baseball players.

The bill, passed 408-3, would ban over-the-counter sales of precursors, which act like steroids in the human body.

"We are here to say enough is enough by making it harder to traffic in steroids and making sure there are tough penalties for those who do," said House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis.

The bill also would double the penalties for manufacturing or distributing anabolic steroids at or near a sports facility.

"The bill will go a long way to ensure that our nation's athletes and children will not be exposed to these dangerous products," said Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas.

While protecting pro sports is important, stopping children from using those chemicals is even more important, House members said.

"Young athletes are using these drugs in the belief that they can become great in their sports and gain a lot of money," said Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va. "However, in addition to risking disqualification in their sport, they also risk stunted growth, infertility and other long-term health problems and even death."

Similar legislation, sponsored by Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., is pending in the Senate.

The House debated the bill on Wednesday but delayed the vote until Thursday.

Congress has taken an increased interest in the issue this year in the wake of reports of steroid use among athletes. A federal grand jury in San Francisco has indicted four men on charges of illegally distributing steroids, including the personal trainer of Barry Bonds.

Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig has asked the union to renegotiate its contract to include a tough steroids policy, and union chief Donald Fehr has left open the possibility of doing that before the players' collective bargaining agreement expires in December 2006.

 

[nikegurl]

and i never even got to decide if i wanted to try 19Nor or not.

 

[Arnold]

and i never even got to decide if i wanted to try 19Nor or not.

you can still get it.

 

[redspy]

Here's another release on this topic

STATEMENT BY TOMMY G. THOMPSON
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Regarding House Action on Steroid Precursors Legislation

Members of the House of Representatives today passed the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004, an important piece of legislation that builds on our actions earlier this year to address the potential dangers posed by
androstenedione, or andro. It represents a significant step forward as we
work to protect our athletes, adolescents and children from the risks posed
by anabolic steroids.

The bill would make a list of steroid precursors, including androstenedione,
controlled substances under the Controlled Substances Act. When metabolized in the body, a steroid precursor produces testosterone. Such legislation would enable the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) to regulate these types of products as anabolic steroids under the Controlled Substances Act.

Earlier this year, our Food and Drug Administration announced a crackdown on companies that manufacture, market and distribute products containing
steroid precursors, such as andro, which act like steroids once they are
metabolized by the body and therefore can pose similar kinds of health risks
as steroids. These products are generally advertised as dietary supplements that enhance athletic performance based on their claimed anabolic and androgenic properties to stimulate muscle growth and increase production of testosterone. Under the leadership of Acting Commissioner Dr. Lester M. Crawford, FDA has made a high priority of protecting Americans from such powerful substances whose risks are not disclosed.

I want to specifically thank Judiciary Committee Chairman James
Sensenbrenner, Energy and Commerce Chairman Joe Barton and Reps. John
Sweeney and Tom Osborne for the integral role they played in getting this
legislation passed in the House. I urge the Senate to take up legislation
on this issue soon, so we can put these important public health protections
in place.

 

[PreMier]

Goddamn.. Now I need to decide on wether to stock up

 

[brodus]

I just started with a huge DS order...I'm trying to decide how much to spend going forward...basically M1,4ADD is cheaper and more powerful than 1,4 andro, but the boldenone precursor (1,4 andro) has some intrinsic properties I like and want to try--but it's damn expensive.

Oh--and as we've seen and said for months, you can thank baseball for this whole fiasco.

 

[Arnold]

Oh--and as we've seen and said for months, you can thank baseball for this whole fiasco.

yup.

 

[I'm Trying]

So I guess we are ultimatly fucked huh?? Is there anything that can come out in the future that wouldn't be under this ban or will the FDA have instant banning power?? I mean like companies like VPX etc can come up with different compounds that wouldn't be under the ban? Also does anyone have the list or link to what is getting banned??
Thanks!!

 

[Arnold]

So I guess we are ultimatly fucked huh?? Is there anything that can come out in the future that wouldn't be under this ban or will the FDA have instant banning power?? I mean like companies like VPX etc can come up with different compounds that wouldn't be under the ban? Also does anyone have the list or link to what is getting banned??
Thanks!!

yeah, that about sums it up.

It does not matter if anyone comes up with a "different" compound, by my understanding it will be written so that any new compounds can be added immediately as needed.

 

[I'm Trying]

Shit!! Hey Robert do you have a link or list for the proposed banned supps??
Thanks!!

 

[PreMier]

Shit!! Hey Robert do you have a link or list for the proposed banned supps??
Thanks!!

Its EVERYTHING bro.

 

[Arnold]

Shit!! Hey Robert do you have a link or list for the proposed banned supps??
Thanks!!

does not really matter, the only thing not being banned is DHEA, yet anyway.

you can get all the info you need here: http://www.usfa.biz/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewforum&f=1

 

[I'm Trying]

thanks for the link Robert!! Is DHEA worth a crap?? I'm looking for some info right now but has anyone had any experience with DHEA??
Thanks

 

[rrgg]

I actually saw the ban mentioned on CNN last night (!)

 

[Arnold]

thanks for the link Robert!! Is DHEA worth a crap?? I'm looking for some info right now but has anyone had any experience with DHEA??
Thanks

sure.

I have heard good things baout the 7-Keto-DHEA.

but you have plenty of time to stock up, why bother with DHEA now?

 

[topolo]

once again I feel like the government has just driven it in the back door!!!!!!!!!

 

[brodus]

7-keto/oxo DHEA will survive the ban, and yes, it is very effective at inhibiting some of the cortisol-induced fat storage effects we all could do without. Much better transdermal, but oral isn't usless.

Also, 6-oxo will survive the ban.

And as others have stated, I did not see 1,4 andro on the list...so if it is made available as a fresh-breath spray for me research animal, I thik I wil buy it!

 

[Arnold]

7-keto/oxo DHEA will survive the ban, and yes, it is very effective at inhibiting some of the cortisol-induced fat storage effects we all could do without. Much better transdermal, but oral isn't usless.

Also, 6-oxo will survive the ban.

And as others have stated, I did not see 1,4 andro on the list...so if it is made available as a fresh-breath spray for me research animal, I thik I wil buy it!

initially, yes, but eventually they will be on there.

 

[Arnold]

7-keto/oxo DHEA will survive the ban...

http://www.usfa.biz/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=101

 

[Arnold]

`(i) androstanediol--

`(I) 3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and

`(II) 3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;

`(ii) androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);

`(iii) androstenediol--

`(I) 1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

`(II) 1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

`(III) 4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene); and

`(IV) 5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-ene);

`(iv) androstenedione --

`(I) 1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-dione);

`(II) 4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione); and

`(III) 5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);

`(v) bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(vi) boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);

`(vii) calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(viii) clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(ix) dehydrochlormethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);

`(x) 4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);

`(xi) drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one);

`(xii) ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);

`(xiii) fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(xiv) formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

`(xv) furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-furazan);

`(xvi) 18a-homo-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one (13b-ethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one);

`(xvii) 4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one);

`(xviii) 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-4-en-3-one);

`(xix) mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one);

`(xx) mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

`(xxi) methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

`(xxii) methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-ene);

`(xxiii) methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

`(xxiv) methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(xxv) mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

`(xxvi) nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

`(xxvii) norandrostenediol--

`(I) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

`(II) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

`(III) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and

`(IV) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene);

`(xxviii) norandrostenedione--

`(I) 19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-dione); and

`(II) 19-nor-5-androstenedione (estr-5-en-3,17-dione;

`(xxix) norbolethone (18a-homo-17b-hydroxypregna-4-en-3-one);

`(xxx) norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

`(xxxi) norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

`(xxxii) oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

`(xxxiii) oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(xxxiv) oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

`(xxxv) stanozolol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);

`(xxxvi) stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-3-one);

`(xxxvii) testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);

`(xxxviii) 1-testosterone (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

`(xxxix) testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

`(xl) tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);

`(xli) trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one); and

`(xlii) any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph.'; and

(2) in paragraph (44), by inserting `anabolic steroids,' after `marihuana,'.

 

[topolo]

Michael J. DiMaggio
USFA Executive Director


rob, are you related to him?

 

[Arnold]

no

 

[rrgg]

>It does not matter if anyone comes up with a "different"
>compound, by my understanding it will be written so
>that any new compounds can be added immediately
>as needed.

Yes, but just because it CAN be added immediately doesn't mean it will, especially if there isn't some political gain to be made.

Cynically yours,