Leg Soreness after leg day

[jason_mazzy]

Kenny explain to me why the vitamin C and amino acids is absurd?

Also why so combative towards me? I was just sharing my experience after I was dealing with severe muscle soreness. This was stuff I came up with about 6-8 years ago when I was feeling so burned up I couldn't move the next day.

 

[jason_mazzy]

http://www.setantacollege.com/wp-content/uploads/Journal_db/Skeletal muscle fibres.pdf The conclusion lends itself to hyperplasia in adult skeletal muscle. Perhaps I am reading the study conclusion incorrectly.

 

[MuscleGauge1]

If your legs aren't sore after leg day then you aren't Doing something right bro. It's really a different type of feeling when you are doing legs. You really should feel your legs are jello.... That's the feeling I get when I do legs. It's really a different type of feeling. It works out better when you stretch after your workout.

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

If your legs aren't sore after leg day then you aren't Doing something right bro.

Soreness

Soreness after every leg day or in training any muscle group is UN-necessary to obtain growth.

Some occasional mild soreness is acceptable.

However, soreness after every training session is a form of stupidity.

Any Idiot

It doesn't take a lot of brains to bludgeon your muscle into submission. Any idiot can, most do.

More Effective Approach

The key is to provide enough stress to the muscles to simulate growth in the recovery period.

Chronic soreness tells an individual that you have annihilated the muscle. That is never good.

Head Pump

Your statement follows the thought process of taking some kind of vile tasting medicine.

"The worse the taste, the better is for you."

Cross Fit Mentality

The poster children getting into the overtraining ozone is, "Keep pushing/pulling until you pass out".

Rhabdomyolysis

The Cross Fit cult has established themselves as the poster children for Rhabdomyolysis.

Chronic soreness after each training session is a pathway to Rhabdomyolysis, amount other things.

Robert Parrish

Robert's, the original poster, soreness problem was an indication that he was in or near Rhabdomyolysis.

I admire Robert's mental toughness in training. Robert simply didn't have enough knowledge to understand the ramifications.

Offensive

What I find offensive is that with someone of your purported background and knowledge base should know better.

What disturbs me is when poor information is posted and individuals with less knowledge embrace it and destructively use it in their training program.

It works out better when you stretch after your workout.

There appears to be some benefits to post workout stretching.

With that said, a when the full range movement is preformed in a movement, the benefits of stretching are obtain in the workout.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

Kenny explain to me why the vitamin C and amino acids is absurd?

Jason,

Research Data

Provide for me research data that Vitamin C and amino acids alleviate soreness.

Adaptation

Research shows that soreness is resolved in training session through adaptation, The General Adaptation Syndrome.

That when a new training method or exercise is initially employed some soreness usually occurs because the muscle are not familiar with the movement.

What often occurs with those performing new methods/movements is and individual tends to optimistically overload the movement which stresses out the muscle even more.

That produces even more soreness, such as Robert Parris (original poster) 3 - 4 days of soreness. This type of soreness is self destructive.

DOMS

Delayed Onset of Muscle Soreness is most prevalent with Eccentric Training.

Two of the major reasons is, as stated above.

1) Introduction to a new method/movement.

2) Overloading the eccentric movement from the beginning.

Warren Frost "Eccentric Movements: Description, definition and designing programmes."

Frost research demonstrated many things.

Two of them being...

1) With each eccentric training session, the body adapts to it's new training environment and less soreness occurs.

2) When introducing Eccentric ONLY into you program, very little soreness occurs when you ease into it with submax loads.

Back To Your Original Question

There is not research demonstrating the Vitamin C and amino acids do what you claim. If so, I'm interesting in reviewing it.

What appear to occur is training adaption occurs.

Also why so combative towards me? I was just sharing my experience after I was dealing with severe muscle soreness. This was stuff I came up with about 6-8 years ago when I was feeling so burned up I couldn't move the next day.

I apologize for my rudeness.

I find inaccurate information offensive.

I don't see how this formula will work.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

http://www.setantacollege.com/wp-content/uploads/Journal_db/Skeletal muscle fibres.pdf The conclusion lends itself to hyperplasia in adult skeletal muscle. Perhaps I am reading the study conclusion incorrectly.

Dr. Jose Antonio

Antonio, who wrote the article is one of the best, one of my favorites.

However...

The research article is from 1993. I have not seen any "proof positive" since then that documents hyperplasia as a fact in humans.

The data is based more on speculation, not fact.

Today hyperplasia in humans is still being debated. In other word, there's no definitive proof that it occurs in humans.

Hypertrophy

The increase in the size of muscles occurs from hypertrophy.

Thus, hypertrophy is triggered with the right training program.

Myostatin

What appears to be one of the biggest factors in hypertrophy is myostatin.

Credit Card Genetic Freaks

Myostatin is like having genetic credit card limit of let's say $50,000.

Phil Heath, Jay Cutler, Ronny Coleman, etc have these muscle mass "credit cards".

Less Genetically Fortunate

The genetically less fortunate have credit card limits of $1,000 or $5,000 or let's say $10.000

Better Lifting Through Chemistry

Research on myostatin blockers is one of the hot topics.

The research is geared toward solving muscle wasting issues like muscular dystrophy, AIDS, etc.

With most medication of this nature, bodybuilder's are interested in the use of myostatin as a mean of increasing muscle mass.

As with most medications, myostatin also has a dark side.

Nuclear Power

It like nuclear power. If you harness it right, it can be a great tool.

Misused, you end up blowing yourself up.

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Kenny Croxdale

 

[MuscleGauge1]

Thanks for the information Kenny. Sounds good I think that's a good plan actually. Your right being sore after every workout is dumb but being sore on leg day is acceptable I agree with this. There are some instances where soreness is definitely the only option thanks for letting me know about the other stuff