shiznit2169 said:
Yes, and the ones who are should be dealt with.
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Yes, and the ones who are should be dealt with.
Dale Mabry said:
i just wonder at the circumstances of them getting here. did they have the means to get here legally? a woman fleeing female genital mutilation would be very unlikely to be able to freely leave her country... a woman fleeing a husband that murdered their daughter for having pre-marital sex might not have time for paperwork and probably would be given back to him by her government... did they know our laws? once they are here though it would be ideal to give them a fair chance to make right.
even in an area as small as this there is a "little italy." i don't believe being an American should mean a person needs to give up things they value about where they lived previously. a lot of families today have christmas or other holidays with a mix of traditions from several cultures. baklava and pizzelles are traditional foods now in some American families that are of mixed heritage. i don't see a crime there.
my dad said today that he belives if a Mexican-American wants to fly the flag of Mexico he should be allowed but it should be flown under the American flag. sounds fair to me. i thought it was supposed to be cool that cultures mixed here, accepted each other, worked toward a common cause not hated everyone but "us".
ForemanRules said:Many of that group are Illegal immigrants
kill two birds with 1 stone then
either you are a bad guy or a good guy period. never said all illegals are worth defending i just think some must be.
Little Wing said:
Genital mutilation must suck, but that is over in Africa, and thus would require a plane ticket.
As for the woman fleeing her husband, she could go anywhere. I would be surprised if extenuating cricumstances are not taken in to consideration. Regardless, I would bet those 2 cases to be the exception rather than the rule.
As for flying their flag...I don't see why you can't fly whatever flag you want whenever you want while you are here, but I would think an illegal Mexican immigrant flying a Mexican flag probably draws unnecessary attention to himself.
I understand where LW is coming from, too bad many of you don't...
I think LW makes some good points as well. It's just too bad we can't develop an exchange program - we could always trade one of those anti-American, lazy con-servatives who dream of living in a corrupt theocratic dictatorship for some illegal alien who wants to live as a responsible citizen in a free country.
It's not like America needs Pat Robertson...or that Rev. Moon...or those nutcases who leave their kids locked in the car to die in the heat while they go shopping. . .
It's not like America needs Pat Robertson...or that Rev. Moon...or those nutcases who leave their kids locked in the car to die in the heat while they go shopping. . .
Little Wing said:
Well if that's the law of their country, who are we to interfere?...
That was for the anti-war people.Little Wing said:
What about the husband who did it cutting the fence and running across the river... Borders need to be heavily patroled.
Little Wing said:
Damn straight they know!
Little Wing said:
This country is as fair as it gets with immagrants. Other than being caught within miles of the border, ICE will not respond to deport unless its a large group of them. We get hits for previously deported felons at work, and they are to be released unless they committed another felony. Among the other countless benefits these people can receive.
Little Wing said:
A lot of times that can be determined when they go through the proper immagration process, no?
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Little Wing said:
You want America to fly another countries flag along with ours ( albeit below it? ). That's honestly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Dale Mabry said:
Geographical distribution of female genital mutilation
An estimated 135 million of the world's girls and women have undergone genital mutilation, and two million girls a year are at risk of mutilation - approximately 6,000 per day. It is practised extensively in Africa and is common in some countries in the Middle East. It also occurs, mainly among immigrant communities, in parts of Asia and the Pacific, North and Latin America and Europe.
FGM is reportedly practised in more than 28 African countries (see FGM in Africa: Information by Country (ACT 77/07/97)). There are no figures to indicate how common FGM is in Asia. It has been reported among Muslim populations in Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Malaysia, although very little is known about the practice in these countries. In India, a small Muslim sect, the Daudi Bohra, practise clitoridectomy.
In the Middle East, FGM is practised in Egypt, Oman, Yemen and the United Arab Emirates.
There have been reports of FGM among certain indigenous groups in central and south America, but little information is available.
In industrialized countries, genital mutilation occurs predominantly among immigrants from countries where mutilation is practised. It has been reported in Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden, the UK and USA. Girls or girl infants living in industrialized countries are sometimes operated on illegally by doctors from their own community who are resident there. More frequently, traditional practitioners are brought into the country or girls are sent abroad to be mutilated. No figures are available on how common the practise is among the populations of industrialized countries.
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Robert DiMaggio said:so, basically LW is saying that because of how fucked up other countries are we should just allow them all to immigrate here...great idea.
Owned.
Not really.JordanMang said:
Sure, you could interpret it that way.
I'm pretty certain what she is saying is that (she feels) we should first consider the motives for one's entry into this country before we cast judgement and make the claim that all immigrants are illegal and a bunch of parasites.
Robert DiMaggio said:so, basically LW is saying that because of how fucked up other countries are we should just allow them all to immigrate here...great idea.
again you sound like a fat squealing pig of a kid guarding his pizza from those less fortunate. small. and like you took a phoney word painted portrait full of fat falacies as fact cuz it suited your argument.
read... from John Mac's link
Generally such reactions don't ring true, referring not to the way things really used to be, but to idealized, mythical visions of the past couched in absolute terms. So it is with this letter, which attempts to contrast the "modern immigrant" with immigrants of a century ago, finding the former sadly lacking by comparison. As usual, it references a black-and-white past that never existed.
Yes, many of the immigrants who streamed through Ellis Island into the United States around the turn of the century worked hard, obeyed the laws, did their best to learn English (and otherwise become assimiliated into American culture), raised children who willingly took up arms to defend their adoptive country in times of crisis, and made their way in the world (and perhaps even prospered) with little or no help from the government or anyone outside their immediate families and circles of acquaintances. However, plenty of immigrants in that same era did not fit that mold, such as those who:
Resorted to scams, petty theft, and all sorts of other crimes to get by, or simply resumed the same kinds of criminal activities they'd been perpetrating in their homelands, sometimes on large, organized scales (e.g., the Italian mafia, Chinese triads).
Moved to enclaves or communities in which their original cultures and languages were preserved, obviating the need for them to ever assimiliate into the broader American culture or learn English. (If the immigrants of earlier eras "stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl," then who started all the ethnic enclaves, such as Little Germany and Chinatown, found in New York and many other American cities?) Their children (and future generations) were often left to learn English and assimilate as best they could on their own, driven by necessity rather than allegiance to American national ideals.
Retained their original family names, or changed their names only reluctantly — the latter not to "blend in with their new home," but to try to escape the prejudices, persecution, and violence typically visited upon members of various national, ethnic, and religious groups in the U.S. (e.g., Catholics, Jews, Irish, Italians).
Declined to participate in fighting for the U.S. against their home countries in World War I (as did their children in World War II), or even left the U.S. to return home and fight for the other side. (And certainly many first-generation Americans of Japanese descent, who found themselves restricted to internment camps merely due to their ancestry, gave plenty of "thought about what country their parents had come from.")
Disdained free lunches, welfare, and labor laws not because they were virtuous and prized self-sufficiency, but because those government programs did not yet exist, either for native-born American citizens or immigrants.
What this piece illustrates is not so much substantive differences between "old immigrants" and "new immigrants," but rather the truthfulness of the proverb "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." or "The more things change, the more they stay the same"
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and not everyone wants your pizza. there are plenty of people on this planet who, belive it or not, are just peachy where they are and wouldn't come here if you paid them to.
take Rob's pizza. i dare you. finally some entertainment 
meanie.
are there a lot of illegals in colorado? there are uh, none (seriously) here at all. i live in a small milltown in northern maine.
Little Wing said:
There all here, in fucking texas!!!
yea well maybe it is more fair to weigh the opinions of people who deal with them 1st hand than someone who hasn't. here the mill is going under and people from massachusettes are coming in and buying up houses. the locals call them "massholes" .
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Little Wing said:
I don't think you understand the plight Texas is in. If you go South of Austin, Texas, you'll be lucky to find a white/black person in your average mall. It's about 97% histpanic from the line down. See graphic.
lol. why the fuck do they have so many home depots.
Tell all the illegal immigrants that live in America to come to Canada they can come stay with me. The problem with all of this is that as soon as you put a wall up someone is going to want to climb over it to see what's on the other side. Borders are just imaginary lines drawn by people with power on their minds. Why don't we just kill every person that steps their foot over the border. How dare someone want a better life. (if you can call working for shit wages a better life).
Little Wing said:
I go to college up in New York and everyone i know refer Mass. as "masshole", mainly because of the Redsox-Yankees rivalry.
Bakerboy said:
What's Canada's policy on illegal immagrants?
the nut said:
They are getting tougher on cracking down on illegal immigrants. Our current governmet sucks up to the U.S. and follows their policies on illegal immigrants. My friends wife is from Mexico and you wouldn't believe how tough it was/is for her to work here legally. They have spent so much time and money just to abide by the laws of the land. So much paper work and documentation to prove she is coming to Canada for the 'right' reasons.
http://www.cbc.ca/toronto/story/to_portuguese20060327.html
