Liquidresearch busted...

[Var]

Yup. Its called Digital Forensics. Up and coming new career field. VERY VERY hard to wipe files off your hard drive. People think deleting something and emptying their trash means its gone.

 

[PreMier]

Is there good $$ in that field Var? hmm....

 

[Var]

Yeah...I was actually looking into it as a career change. Its fairly new, and like any new tech field, the people doing it are making $$$.

 

[PreMier]

I might look into this... Thanks buddy

 

[JerseyDevil]

There was once a wise man (he frequents this board), who told me via PM a few months back that when dealing with 'liquid research' companies it is best to pay via money order so that the order cannot be traced back to you. Takes longer of course, but in light of the recent developments, sage advice indeed.

 

[PreMier]

Umm... they will still have your name on record.

 

[JerseyDevil]

The less paper trail, the better. I'm betting the customer lists they are looking at are credit card transactions which is proof positive payment was made. You're right though, shipping records would still be valid, but if you deny receipt of product, and it is not found in your possession, prosecution would be a lot less likely.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by PreMier
LOL, you cant clear your computer records without a special program. The feds will be able to extract info no matter what those kids do.

You can actually, it would be adviseable to format your hard drive a dozen times or so. Last I was aware, they could extract weak magnetic images after 7 format jobs, when you format a hard drive you write zeros over the whole disk.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by PreMier
Umm... they will still have your name on record.

I dont think that anyone on the outside has that much information on what records they kept track of, at least nobody that has filled us in on thier record keeping practices.

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by Mudge
I dont think that anyone on the outside has that much information on what records they kept track of, at least nobody that has filled us in on thier record keeping practices.

Isnt it presumable that once you gave them a MO with your name on it, with your shipping adress and again with your name. That there might be a record of it? Sure its easier through electronic banking to track someone, but a paper trail is still a trail.

 

[Mudge]

I have no idea really what the post offices records look like as to money order numbers, correlating who cashed them in and who bought them in the first place.

Some sources still take cash only.

But, in terms of looking at ANY possible avenue I like your thinking, security is paranoia. Someone who thinks their bank is safe if they leave the front door unlocked is not the best person to guard the place, you must cover all avenues.

Assume the worst, hope for the best.

 

[Mudge]

http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/news/2816883/detail.html

 

[ZECH]

Investigators are analyzing computer data and customer lists seized in the raid, and more charges may be forthcoming

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by bayoumike
I just think that everyone should be rested in knowing that the LR bust has nothing to do with ancillaries.....as a matter of fact the truth will be known shortly along with media rebutles. Some fat, jackass cops thought that they were going to be getting awards and pats on the back for this one and are desperately scrambling to cover-up their fuck up. NO WAY IN HELL WAS LR MANUFACTURING GBL AND ESPECIALLY NOT SELLING IT. So far the contacts to LR customers have been more to inquire and make sure no GBL was purchased. They have found nothing, will find nothing and a serious lawsuit is in store. The new GABA products are amino acid deriviatives and actually got tested and cleared by customs long before the bust, completely 100% legal no loopholes needed. After the proof of the lack of GBL, the ancillaries and customers will not be an issue. The juice was a VERY small personal amount and the intent to distribute is always slapped down at first to beef up the charges. It is all lacking, a rumor must have passed due to the GABA which to the uneducated mass had somehow gotten confused with GBL.

 

[A.B]

not to sound liek a prick, but I saw this coming so long a go. especially with the new GABA shti coming out.

 

[A.B]

wre gonig to have to look for some new sponcores at bolex. lol

 

[Mudge]

I think anyone with half a brain knew, come on now, research products? Animal knew that they didn't like seeing the stuff ready made, just like the early fina kit guys used to sell the pellets too, they figured that one out right quick.

Its a shame though, but the publicity was the #1 problem IMO, I bet they made some good money there for awhile.

 

[A.B]

Originally posted by Mudge
I think anyone with half a brain knew, come on now, research products? Animal knew that they didn't like seeing the stuff ready made, just like the early fina kit guys used to sell the pellets too, they figured that one out right quick.

Its a shame though, but the publicity was the #1 problem IMO, I bet they made some good money there for awhile.

whats even more stupid is people posting that they were using these research products for personal use amd all that bullshit. ODing. It was a ticking time bomb over at bolex. and admin could get fucked over.

 

[Mudge]

Remember MyChemSupply?

 

[Mudge]

Post from Bayou Mike on another board:

I really wish everyone would please calm down a little.....the bust is a joke. If you look at the charges they are next to none. Considering that we supposedly ran "the most sophisticated drug lab in the history of jefferson parish" you would think they would have charged us with a little more than possession of steriods (personal stash) and marijuana (whoops my wife has occassional glaucoma lol). The gbl is bogus....the truth will be told in the media rebutle soon. The bust is no way related to and will never be related to the ancillaries being sold by LR. Any potential visits are related to what they are hoping to be hidden bottles of gbl shipped to our customers. And also why would I jeopardize my thriving business and promising new line of products for something so stupid and mail out gbl and using US postal service at that. I have been around for a while and we all know what gbl will cause with the authorities. A customer list was not confiscated.....it is a tracking verification on new orders along with new orders to be processed. Anyway, if you don't keep some sort of record of shipping then people will complain about not getting their order and no way to track it. Unfortunately, anytime a person orders via CC on a shopping cart, 2 records are retained (shopping cart archives and credit card processing batch records). The main thing to remember here is that this is a local raid....it has not and will not go to a federal level as long as no controlled substances were found in the parcels which never were. My advice is not to believe everything read in the media. Our only mistake was having a worker that we were unaware of with very active extra-curricular activities. They begin to watch him and look into where he works (along with some rumors due to his wanna-be pimpdaddy dreams of his). Put these elements together and the presence of a research chemical company and you get what took place last tuesday evening. As you can also see...we were introducing new GABA products....local narcotics forces obviously have not read up on their chemistry 101 to confuse this natural amino acid with the infamous "date rape drug". Unfortunately, due to the steriods in the home, they can and will always charge for having a controlled substance in the presence of a minor. They were reaching hard to slap as many charges on us in this case, because of the oh **** feeling when nothing was found. We will get out of this and I hope that people can stop saying that this has happened because of LRs greed, because anyone who has been a customer in the past can see that we are always very generous (that is why we had such low prices that is why our policy always was to send out free products for delays/backorders/mistakes).

 

[X Ring]

Well that is good to hear, lets hope that there is more truth in this than the other claims out there surrounding this situation.

 

[maddog1]

Nothing is going to happen to people far removed from that area, who were customers. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to sensationalize this thing.

 

[tk...]

customers from LR have nothing to worry about. Even if you payed via credit card, it dont mean shit. Due to the fact that online buying does not require any type of signature. It is very easy for anybody to buy something online with someone elses credit card. The only way, to get busted 100% behond reasonable doubt, it to be caught in possetion with the drug or to have a positive blood test for drugs. THat is the only way. On the other hand, money order is another story. To get a money order from the bank, only the owner of the account can issue it. Therefore, the owner of the account is liable for what he has ordered.....

i doubt that any of this will be an issue, cuz it requires to much work and almost impossible to track down everybody who has purchased from LR. But the folllowing arguments would be heard in a court room.

 

[JerseyDevil]

You can walk into any US Post Office and purchase money orders with cash. Identification is only required if the amount is for over $3,000.

 

[tk...]

i have no idea how things work in the US, but in Canada identification is required after 500$. I have heard of some canadian banks with 1000 $ amount before any type of ID is required, but not mine. I am not sure about Canada Post though.