packers6211
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Def get a Dr. to check things out bro. Trust me trt if you have to have it is vital. You won't do well if your natural levels are out of whack.
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kevinhy
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I would probably look into TRT OP, natty test boosters work, but theyre certainly no replacement for someone with permanently lowered testosterone.
packers6211
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Absolutley not. And don't think age makes a factor. I mean as in your too young. I thought when the Dr told me three and half years ago at 28 to check my t levels, that he was crazy. Then it came back 190 which I later learned sucked. Once you get your levels up you will see a big difference.
Ok, talked to doctor and insurance is not covering it. I need to look at outside solutions. There have been many suggestions and I appreciate them. Who has used a product and then had there levels retested?
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Your test isn't even that low. There's nothing wrong with that level at your age. It's not even close to the amount for that would make you suitable for TRT, you're way overreacting over this.
Your diet - vegetarian diets lead to lower testosterone for men. Cut back on soy consumption, it's not good for your testosterone levels. Eggs should be a huge part of your diet - they're a "complete" protein and full of god fats and cholesterol. Keep up on consumption of brassica vegetables (broccoli, cabbage, etc.) and stay away from "low cholesterol", as cholesterol is necessary for testosterone production.
So is Vitamin D - buy a pack of Vitamin D3 and start taking at least 2000iu per day.
Make sure you're heavy lifting at least twice a week. Three times a week is optimal.
Get a perfect night's sleep every night - you should never wake up tired.
Fix these and your test levels will improve, I guarantee it.
Your diet - vegetarian diets lead to lower testosterone for men. Cut back on soy consumption, it's not good for your testosterone levels. Eggs should be a huge part of your diet - they're a "complete" protein and full of god fats and cholesterol. Keep up on consumption of brassica vegetables (broccoli, cabbage, etc.) and stay away from "low cholesterol", as cholesterol is necessary for testosterone production.
So is Vitamin D - buy a pack of Vitamin D3 and start taking at least 2000iu per day.
Make sure you're heavy lifting at least twice a week. Three times a week is optimal.
Get a perfect night's sleep every night - you should never wake up tired.
Fix these and your test levels will improve, I guarantee it.
Rawpowder
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This.
packers6211
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Did I miss something?? 300 level is not good. Your crazy if you think so. My trt Dr is very good at it and knows the scales quite well. 300 or lower will suck for anyone young and ever those in their 30's or 40's. If i'm not mistaking he said it was on the lower end of 300. Since my dr has taken me from 195 to 600's, I've noticed a big change in fat metabolism and energy. It's not something to play around with.
packers6211
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When I first went my levels were 195 at 28, I spent almost two years on the androgel and didn't feel much better. I had med release pulled and showed my levels like a roller coster. I was piss to say the least. So I had my levels done at local physicans and came back 165. My estro had got up to 31. The Dr never thought about anti e. Switch dr. and know he has me up in the 600's-700's maintaining and letr for estro control. It's so important to get a Dr that knows his shiz. For one the normal number even my Dr said is bs. It's going off a chart with gen population. If you check into it you will find optimal levels show 500-800's for 18-35. Theres a chart that will show you how 300 is bs as it is compared to a very older man's test level.
Zero_Degree
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Maybe, you need to take a look where the problem lyes - but normal values for males is 270-1070 ng/dl. You are at the lower normal scale. Did you take the test in the morning? There may be a problem at the level of the hypothalamus or pituitary to produce appropriate amounts of LH and FSH to stimulate testosterone production. Another possibility is that the organs that make testosterone do not function normally or are not able to respond to stimulation by the brain. Or, did you take damage to scrotum. Age may play a big part to your problem. There are lot of factors to look at.
Try changing up your diet and eating more celery, Bananas, Avacado, Almonds and raw oysters. Those foods are know to increase testosterone levels or take B6, Zinc and Bromelain supplement!
Try changing up your diet and eating more celery, Bananas, Avacado, Almonds and raw oysters. Those foods are know to increase testosterone levels or take B6, Zinc and Bromelain supplement!
That's good advice. I take multi-vitamins, b6, aminos and several other supplements plus, I'm a vegetarian so I eat a wide variety of nuts, seeds, grains, and veggies. Mostly lightly prepared or raw. My blood work shows everything to be producing normally, I'm just low.
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independent
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Cost of trt should cost no more than 50.00 a month.
costo
depo-test 75.00
adex 15.00 for 30 1mg pills
you can find hcg from a sponsor for 15.00 for 2000iu's.
costo
depo-test 75.00
adex 15.00 for 30 1mg pills
you can find hcg from a sponsor for 15.00 for 2000iu's.
packers6211
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Yeah I pay $25 copay to my Dr. I see him every 3 months to do bloodwork and make sure I'm on track. The test cyp vials cost me $15 at the pharmacy and 15$ for letro. Not bad for the letro is two months and the test is 10 weeks if dose at 1cc 200mg weekly.
packers6211
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Injections. They're not bad lol I got use to them with in the first two shots. To my knowledge there isn't a testosterone tablet for trt, only forms I know of is, gel, shots, and an FDA pellets.
hell guy if you get a script of cyp from your doc its like $100 out of pocket at Target or walgreens. Now if you want prop instead they will make it but you have to go to a compund pharmacy they have to make it and its $75 just look them up in your area,do a google saearch for compiund pharmacies in your area. I just had mine made by a legit pharmacy like walgreens make it and for $75 for prop and you know your getting real 100% powder its worth the money. At your age HRT is the way
independent
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There's your reason for low test.
If you're cool with eggs, eat an egg every day, it'll help. However, the human body evolved as an omnivore, and without meat, your body is just doing the best it can.
I have low test because I am a vegetarian?! Seriously? OMG! I had no idea. OK, I was low three years ago, and I am low now. I have been vegetarian for six months, my recovery after workouts are improved from three days to a day and a half, my energy levels are higher and I am not getting sick after eating anymore. Which, btw, I ate CLEAN for several years so that was not it. I am a vegetarian, not a vegan. I eat dairy, vegans do not. I am not trying to be a dick, but that was the most ill informed statement that I have ever heard. Sorry, but it is what it is.
Let me address this:
without meat, your body is just doing the best it can
Meat is a macronutrient, plants are micronutrients. Microsnutirents are already broken down so they are fast absorbing and easily used. That means that the body needs less energy to make use of the good stuff. Meats have to be broken down to be of any use, so the body expends energy to do this and this, to me, is a waste of resources. Proteins are amino acids, all of which ore found in various plant sources. The difference is that they are not long or short chain so they do not qualify as proteins.
Have a nice day.
Hey moe, packers, could you guys talk a little dumber to me for a second please? Just so that I understand. I am not getting the abbreviations (trt,cyp,hcg, letro, etc). Sorry, my brain is in too many directions lately. Clear cut directions would really help me.
independent
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Check out a website called allthingsmale.com, they have a trt forum with a lot of info. the forum website is musclechatroom.com. start there.
packers6211
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Haha bro np. Ok the Dr. has me on testosterone cyponiate. I do 200mg weekly by shots, and the letrozole is the anti estrogen pill that is 2.5 mg once every 2 weeks. He will do blood work to make sure my test levels are where they are supose to be for my age. Trt is testosterone replacement therapy and HCG well it's supose to be really good for you with metabolism and natural test but for some reason I can't get any Dr in alabama as we must suck to prescribe hgc even though several Drs prescribe it for trt.
