The ONLY thing that ive used that really works in pill form is methyl dx3(superdrol) 2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol androstan is the same active ingredient in sd i went from 160 to 214 in 4-5 months no bs get on superdrol or eat a lot thats only if you want hard gains, it gives you stregth more than anything but where there is strength, there is size