Matt Hughes Sucks

[BigDyl]

True Story.




And he will be owned by Pierre AND OR Penn.

 

[topolo]

Matt Hughes Sucks

and so does this thread.

 

[GFR]

Matt Hughes Sucks

and so does this thread.

Man down

 

[bigss75]

Still pissed about him owning royce?

Your pissed about Hughes beating a Gracie but you don't say shit about Penn beating Renzo and Rodrigo.

 

[bigss75]

Also mma weekly has the top ten rankings out


WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION (170-pound limit)

Matt Hughes got every single first-place vote except for one. The last remaining ballot ranked BJ Penn as the #1 welterweight, in a vote that must have been cast by someone who believes that Penn was completely robbed by the judges in his loss to Georges St. Pierre.

In the meantime, St. Pierre finished as a strong #2 in overall points, Frank Trigg is making his last appearance on this list after recently announcing his retirement, and Sean Sherk is also making his last appearance on this list before his upcoming move to the 155-pound division.

1. Matt Hughes - 99 Points (including 9 first-place votes)

2. Georges St. Pierre - 89 Points

3. BJ Penn - 83 Points (including 1 first-place vote)

4. Karo Parisyan - 70 Points

5. Sean Sherk - 57 Points

6. Diego Sanchez - 44 Points

7. Jake Shields - 43 Points

8. Carlos Condit - 21 Points

9. Jon Fitch- 11 Points

10. Frank Trigg- 10 Points

Other Fighters Receiving At Least 5 Points:

Josh Neer - 9 Points

Akira Kikuchi - 6 Points

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2160&zoneid=2

 

[Goodfella9783]

Also mma weekly has the top ten rankings out


WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION (170-pound limit)

Matt Hughes got every single first-place vote except for one. The last remaining ballot ranked BJ Penn as the #1 welterweight, in a vote that must have been cast by someone who believes that Penn was completely robbed by the judges in his loss to Georges St. Pierre.

In the meantime, St. Pierre finished as a strong #2 in overall points, Frank Trigg is making his last appearance on this list after recently announcing his retirement, and Sean Sherk is also making his last appearance on this list before his upcoming move to the 155-pound division.

1. Matt Hughes - 99 Points (including 9 first-place votes)

2. Georges St. Pierre - 89 Points

3. BJ Penn - 83 Points (including 1 first-place vote)

4. Karo Parisyan - 70 Points

5. Sean Sherk - 57 Points

6. Diego Sanchez - 44 Points

7. Jake Shields - 43 Points

8. Carlos Condit - 21 Points

9. Jon Fitch- 11 Points

10. Frank Trigg- 10 Points

Other Fighters Receiving At Least 5 Points:

Josh Neer - 9 Points

Akira Kikuchi - 6 Points

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2160&zoneid=2

Now that's a good source that knows its MMA!

 

[BigDyl]

Still pissed about him owning royce?

Your pissed about Hughes beating a Gracie but you don't say shit about Penn beating Renzo and Rodrigo.

It's not that he got beat. It's the way he got beat. He didn't put up a fight. After his arm got hurt, he basically gave up. The fight was either rigged or he didn't try. That wasn't royce. And it's assholes who want to act like it's some big deal to beat an old man. It's like Hughes fighting Helio or something. Gracie was out of shape, and doesn't do roids like Hughes, which by the way, maybe you can obtain a body like that without roids, but there is no way you can retain lean body mass while doing all this super catabolic MMA training. That's why I'm sure most MMA'ers juice. It is an advantage when you go against someone who dosen't.

 

[Doublebase]

It's not that he got beat. It's the way he got beat. He didn't put up a fight. After his arm got hurt, he basically gave up. The fight was either rigged or he didn't try. That wasn't royce. And it's assholes who want to act like it's some big deal to beat an old man. It's like Hughes fighting Helio or something. Gracie was out of shape, and doesn't do roids like Hughes, which by the way, maybe you can obtain a body like that without roids, but there is no way you can retain lean body mass while doing all this super catabolic MMA training. That's why I'm sure most MMA'ers juice. It is an advantage when you go against someone who dosen't.

So you are basing your opinion off the fact that you "think" Hughes is on steroids. Royce is 39 years old, Hughes is 32. They are not that far apart. I'm surprised you said Hughes "sucks". I thought you were involved in martial arts and would have some respect for the number 1 ranked welterweight fighter. I believe you are partial to BJJ artists.

 

[BigDyl]

So you are basing your opinion off the fact that you "think" Hughes is on steroids. Royce is 39 years old, Hughes is 32. They are not that far apart. I'm surprised you said Hughes "sucks". I thought you were involved in martial arts and would have some respect for the number 1 ranked welterweight fighter. I believe you are partial to BJJ artists.

39 versus 32. Big difference. I know there is a huge physiological change that occurs during time period. But, yes, it makes a big difference. Let's see where Hughes is in 7 or 8 years.


Just because I'm involved in martial arts doesn't mean I agree with the mainstream. The whole thing pisses me off, and if you have a problem with it, we can take it outside.

 

[bigss75]

Internet Tough Guy

Proof that the obvious may not be obvious to all, the Internet tough guy forgets the mode of communication that he's using. Constantly threatening people with physical harm and the dreaded ambiguous "consequences," the ITG tries to send the message that he is not someone to mess with.


The Internet Tough Guy likes to go to boards like Bodybuilding.com, Avantlabs.com, Getbig.com and many more...

Get over it. Unless you're an uber-hacker or plan on embarking on a world tour of ass kicking, your threats mean nothing. And enough of this "see you at the Arnold" talk. If even half of the people who say this followed through, the Expo would look like Thunderdome.

 

[BoneCrusher]

39 versus 32. Big difference. I know there is a huge physiological change that occurs during time period. But, yes, it makes a big difference. Let's see where Hughes is in 7 or 8 years.


Just because I'm involved in martial arts doesn't mean I agree with the mainstream. The whole thing pisses me off, and if you have a problem with it, we can take it outside.

BD I'll go outside with ya. You're in Nepal and I'll be in Pakistan in a few weeks ... we can hook up in Lahore .

Seriously you are letting Hughes and that fight get under your skin way tooo much. This is MMA not the olympiacs ... juice isn't regulated or even discussed. IF he is on gear nobody really cares. I understand you are a devout BJJ guy, but you are letting that take away the fun you could be havin rt now. Look at it this way ... Hughes is gonna get beat sooner or later so you have something to look forward to.

If you are that angry I'll talk to Matt and ask him to meet you out in the parking lot.

 

[mustangdan]

It's not that he got beat. It's the way he got beat. He didn't put up a fight. After his arm got hurt, he basically gave up. The fight was either rigged or he didn't try. That wasn't royce. And it's assholes who want to act like it's some big deal to beat an old man. It's like Hughes fighting Helio or something. Gracie was out of shape, and doesn't do roids like Hughes, which by the way, maybe you can obtain a body like that without roids, but there is no way you can retain lean body mass while doing all this super catabolic MMA training. That's why I'm sure most MMA'ers juice. It is an advantage when you go against someone who dosen't.

i agree 100%!!!something wasnt right. gracie didnt even try, he didnt even wear his gi(spelling?) uniform. he had les then 20 sec till the end of the first round and that duesche bag for a reff stoped the fight. the age diff has a lot to do with it too. but i dont think gracie was outa shape at all. just cause he didnt fight in the states he was still fight for 2 years over seas.

 

[fUnc17]

Yea that fight was bullshit. Gracie could've EASILY gotten out when hughes was on top beating him the fuck down. He had his hooks in deep but gracie had a easy ass exit! My BJJ intstructor showed me exactly how to get out of what gracie was in, what a fucking joke. I find it ridiculous for gracie to even of given hughes his back in the first place.. but to not get out of it?

and ditto to the steroid usage. MMA training eats the shit out of your LBM and if you can preserve it by juicing up that gives an enormous advantage to guys like matt hughes.

 

[Doublebase]

39 versus 32. Big difference. I know there is a huge physiological change that occurs during time period. But, yes, it makes a big difference. Let's see where Hughes is in 7 or 8 years.


Just because I'm involved in martial arts doesn't mean I agree with the mainstream. The whole thing pisses me off, and if you have a problem with it, we can take it outside.

He's mainstream because he proves it again and again that he is the best. They both stepped in the cage together and Matt Hughes won. Why would you think he sucks? Stop making excuses for Royce.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Yea that fight was bullshit. Gracie could've EASILY gotten out when hughes was on top beating him the fuck down. He had his hooks in deep but gracie had a easy ass exit! My BJJ intstructor showed me exactly how to get out of what gracie was in, what a fucking joke. I find it ridiculous for gracie to even of given hughes his back in the first place.. but to not get out of it?

and ditto to the steroid usage. MMA training eats the shit out of your LBM and if you can preserve it by juicing up that gives an enormous advantage to guys like matt hughes.

Please, when was the last time he fought a real fight? He was rusty, he made a mistake by coming back without taking warm up fights. He also fought a newer generation of athlete, one that he helped make. He was dominated and freaked, may have even been in shock after having his arm ranked on. He is human, ya know.

College/Olympic wrestlers go through similar training and get drug tested up the waz00. Provided diet is good, you could easily retain LBM while training. Does that mean they are not juicing, nope. Obviously, based on a couple fighters getting popped, it is happening, but to accuse someone of juicing because he pounded a legend who was poorly prepared is retarded.

 

[fUnc17]

Please, when was the last time he fought a real fight? He was rusty, he made a mistake by coming back without taking warm up fights. He also fought a newer generation of athlete, one that he helped make. He was dominated and freaked, may have even been in shock after having his arm ranked on. He is human, ya know.

College/Olympic wrestlers go through similar training and get drug tested up the waz00. Provided diet is good, you could easily retain LBM while training. Does that mean they are not juicing, nope. Obviously, based on a couple fighters getting popped, it is happening, but to accuse someone of juicing because he pounded a legend who was poorly prepared is retarded.

I agree. He got pounded because he was a fucking idiot. Was her prepared? obviously not enough. Is matt hughes a juicehead? Who the fuck knows.

I'm not making excuses for gracie, merely stating the position he was put into is very easy to exit and counter.

 

[BigDyl]

I agree. He got pounded because he was a fucking idiot. Was her prepared? obviously not enough. Is matt hughes a juicehead? Who the fuck knows.

I'm not making excuses for gracie, merely stating the position he was put into is very easy to exit and counter.

You're contradicting yourself here, but we're taking the same side. Gracie wasn't an idiot. ...Well maybe to take the fight without being prepared, but not because he didn't escape. We both know he could escape that position, and any white/blue belt could do it. Gracie could escape from that in his sleep. The question is, why didn't he, and if he could not escape, assuming 40 years of BJJ went out the window, then why didn't he at least protect his head?

The answer to this question is either because it was rigged, or because he didn't try or gave up. In which case does not prove shit about Hughes, except that he's about to get owned by GSP or Penn.

 

[BigDyl]

I agree. He got pounded because he was a fucking idiot. Was her prepared? obviously not enough. Is matt hughes a juicehead? Who the fuck knows.

I'm not making excuses for gracie, merely stating the position he was put into is very easy to exit and counter.

I stand by my statement that Hughes is a Juice head. His jaw muscles have grown bigger than Jay Cutlers.

 

[fUnc17]

You're contradicting yourself here, but we're taking the same side. Gracie wasn't an idiot. ...Well maybe to take the fight without being prepared, but not because he didn't escape. We both know he could escape that position, and any white/blue belt could do it. Gracie could escape from that in his sleep. The question is, why didn't he, and if he could not escape, assuming 40 years of BJJ went out the window, then why didn't he at least protect his head?

The answer to this question is either because it was rigged, or because he didn't try or gave up. In which case does not prove shit about Hughes, except that he's about to get owned by GSP or Penn.

Who knows... all of the aformentioned things are possible. But we will never know. What we do know however is that he could've escaped easily. None of it makes sense and trying to make sense of it leaves everybody more confused than we were in the first place.

 

[BigDyl]

Who knows... all of the aformentioned things are possible. But we will never know. What we do know however is that he could've escaped easily. None of it makes sense and trying to make sense of it leaves everybody more confused than we were in the first place.

While you and I are in agreement, most of these "MMA experts" are not. They think that Gracie could not escape from the position.

 

[Goodfella9783]

You're contradicting yourself here, but we're taking the same side. Gracie wasn't an idiot. ...Well maybe to take the fight without being prepared, but not because he didn't escape. We both know he could escape that position, and any white/blue belt could do it. Gracie could escape from that in his sleep. The question is, why didn't he, and if he could not escape, assuming 40 years of BJJ went out the window, then why didn't he at least protect his head?

The answer to this question is either because it was rigged, or because he didn't try or gave up. In which case does not prove shit about Hughes, except that he's about to get owned by GSP or Penn.

Any Gracie would do none of the 3.

This fight reminded me of the Shamrock/Franklin fight a year ago. The older guy way outmatched and overwhelmed when the action started to take place.

Can't wait for Hughes-GSP/BJP, some mothafuckin competition to give our WW champ.

 

[BigDyl]

True Story, I hope Hughes lives long enough to get beat by Penn and GSP, then he can get hit by a bus.

 

[bigss75]

then he can get hit by a bus.

I thought in MMA they teach respect for others. Hell even Heilo said Hughes was the better fighter after the match and you still wish death on him because he beat up your idol or whatever the fuck he is to you.

 

[BigDyl]

I thought in MMA they teach respect for others. Hell even Heilo said Hughes was the better fighter after the match and you still wish death on him because he beat up your idol or whatever the fuck he is to you.

He's not my idol. You don't seem to understand the situation.

 

[bigss75]

Your acting like a crybaby. I think I have the situation down pact.

 

[BigDyl]

Your acting like a crybaby. I think I have the situation down pact.

I think you're gay. But the point is, I never said Royce Gracie couldn't be beaten. He has been beaten before. Gracie just is not defeated that easily. And his ground game doesn't just disapear for no reason. He either gave up or got paid off, and I'm leaning toward the latter.

I'm done with you.

 

[Goodfella9783]

Anyone know the last time Royce fought?

 

[BigDyl]

Anyone know the last time Royce fought?

If you "count" the time he fought Akebono as a fight, then 2k4. But that wasn't a fight.

 

[Goodfella9783]

I think you're gay. But the point is, I never said Royce Gracie couldn't be beaten. He has been beaten before. Gracie just is not defeated that easily. And his ground game doesn't just disapear for no reason. He either gave up or got paid off, and I'm leaning toward the latter.

I'm done with you.

Actually I wouldn't doubt it either. Maybe he took after his brother Rickson, the fraud...11-0 fighting nobodies in PRIDE and claims he has like 400 other wins in Brazil. I bet those were some great fighters he fought, if they even occurred. Maybe he counted the sparring matches too

 

[BigDyl]

Actually I wouldn't doubt it either. Maybe he took after his brother Rickson, the fraud...11-0 fighting nobodies in PRIDE and claims he has like 400 other wins in Brazil. I bet those were some great fighters he fought, if they even occurred. Maybe he counted the sparring matches too

You know nothing about his History. His first match was against Zulu the Brazilian Brawler. Zulu was 160-0. Then he met an 20 year old Rickson and got owned.


There is a history of his matches if you search for it, and it's not all unknowns. He has gone against much larger guys, and has never been defeated. He is also much stronger than Hoyce and has alot better striking, and even ground skills.