they are having bad snow/ice storms out east and it has put this product on delay due to my manufacturer having shut down operations for a few days.
we're hoping by the end of next week.
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METHA-DROL EXTREME Profile (updated 12-29-2010)
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they are having bad snow/ice storms out east and it has put this product on delay due to my manufacturer having shut down operations for a few days.
we're hoping by the end of next week.
Using E-Control Rx (ATD) is NOT cutting corners, it may be OTC but there is a reason the FDA made many companies, including Gaspari, pull it and do a voluntary recall. Why? Because it works.
E-Control Rx (ATD) for Estrogen Control & PCT
ATD (3,17-dioxo-etiochol-1,4,6-triene) is a recent introduction to estrogen control. It is thought to stop estrogen production in a manner similar to steroidal AI’s such as exemestane. Brand name ATD’s are Rebound XT, Rebound Reloaded, Novedex XT, Ultra H.O.T and Ultra H.O.T.ter.
ATD is technically an aromatase inhibitor, but with some interesting properties that make it a very useful addition to our estrogen control arsenals.
There are two negative feedback loops that we try to correct through post cycle therapy. The first is elevated estrogen levels from aromatase activity act on the hypothalamus to decrease GnRH production. The second is that elevated androgen levels stimulate androgen receptors in the hypothalamus causing decreased GnRH production. Decreased GnRH leads to reduced LH and FSH production, both of which are directly involved in testosterone production.
Typical PCT with SERM’s and AI’s address the estrogen component of this negative feedback, but do nothing for androgenic stimulation of the hypothalamus. ATD addresses the androgenic feedback loop. ATD has 90% androgenic activity in muscle tissue but only 10% androgenic activity in the hypothalamus.
ATD works for androgen activity the same way that tamoxifen works for estrogen. Tamoxifen blocks estrogen in breast tissue, but has positive effects in other tissue such as liver and bone. ATD blocks androgens in the hypothalamus, but allows it to be active in other tissue.
Because of this dual action estrogen levels are lowered while testosterone levels begin to rise. This is because ATD tricks your hypothalamus into thinking testosterone levels are low so it produces more. ATD provides benefits far beyond simply controlling estrogen in your body. Through its control over the androgen negative feedback loop testosterone production is restarted much faster. And the faster you recover your natural testosterone production the easier it is to keep muscular gains.
In addition to ATD’s benefits for post cycle therapy studies have shown that employing ATD during AAS use maintains significant HPTA function. This means reduced testicular atrophy and faster post-cycle recovery. This is something that you simply can’t get from estrogen control alone.
ATD can also be used by the natural athlete to increase testosterone production. In studies increases of up to 400% in testosterone have been seen. This is equivalent to injecting 400-600mg per week of testosterone enanthate or cypionate. This means continued growth for the natural athlete without the problems and side effects usually associated with injecting testosterone.
While there should technically not be any difference between the ATD ptoducts I have personally seen the best results using Rebound XT by Designer Supplements. I believe it is also the most cost effective of the ATD products out there. Your mileage may vary.
I’ve found the following discussion on running SERM’s inverse to ATD’s which is both informative and by all accounts very effective. It has been posted on many forums and the credit for it goes to Dr. D. Thank you Dr. D! “Discussion on running SERM inverse to ATD.
Estrogen only “rebounds” based on the mechanism of suppression. SERM, for example, only masks estrogen expression by occupying receptors but estrogen production is left unchecked and actually increases as testosterone levels increase. AI’s like letro inhibit inducible enzymes and just like a leaky faucet, they body will eventually try to balance the equation with increased aromatase activity. Steroidal AI’s like Teslac, Exemestane, and ReboundXT will not result in ‘rebound’ phenomena because the inhibition is non-competitive and irreversible. They act as false substrates, so aromatase is still happy to act on them (instead of androstenedione) and the body keeps no record of an imbalance. There is no leaky faucet. In fact, after prolonged use, steroidal AI’s often produce a protracted anti-e benefit even after being discontinued. This is why I suggest an inverse taper with SERM and RXT for PCT with an abrupt stoppage of RXT at the end. As the SERM elevates androgen/estrogen production, the AI dose is increased to compensate while the SERM is phased out. It works quite well to use this approach and rebound is not encountered. Adding LX and/or DHEA also really makes for a killer PCT in this scheme.
sirmattiep
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So does that mean our orders are gonna take longer than expected? Cause I put a order through on tuesday shipping to Cali. Thanks
opiateabuser
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when did it go buy 2 get one free? I just ordered one but would have most likely ordered 2 knowing that I could pick up a free one. Is there any way I can work this out, or am I SOL? My apologies if this is the wrong thread, I'm not a noob but my old account was givin me issues so I just started a new one. Thanks
I agree. Im stocking up myself. I am currently running two caps a day and my diet isint even that clean and somehow im bulking and still staying very lean. Im 26 years old and have experimented with epi, h-drol and m-drol but this is by far my favoritte.
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Good info
LightBearer
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im not familiar with PH compounds, should one watch out for prolactin gyno on this?
also is it DHT based?
also is it DHT based?
Chris Priddy
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I wouldn't second-guess people in the know, but maybe i could effectively use Metha strictly following the outlined 8 week protocol. Possibly a beta blocker would help me adjust to the intensity of a Metha-Extreme cycle, despite not having a reference of what to expect. -Or just half-dose the entire stack the first couple days.
I say this understanding that everybody likes to think they could be Racers, because they can drive. LOL!
thanks, c
I wouldn't second-guess people in the know, but maybe i could effectively use Metha strictly following the outlined 8 week protocol. Possibly a beta blocker would help me adjust to the intensity of a Metha-Extreme cycle, despite not having a reference of what to expect. -Or just half-dose the entire stack the first couple days.
I say this understanding that everybody likes to think they could be Racers, because they can drive. LOL!
thanks, c
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i ran a cycle a few months ago felt great for the first 2 weeks and then the 3rd came
... Started getting pains in my appendex area and was pissing orange... Found a fair amount of blood in urine... so i stopped cycle short... Anyone else have bad sides....
... Started getting pains in my appendex area and was pissing orange... Found a fair amount of blood in urine... so i stopped cycle short... Anyone else have bad sides....BigpoppaJunior
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Bump for info. I have a bottle planned onncycling it next butnthat last post concerns me if that turns into a trend.
BigpoppaJunior
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Stay well hydrated (1-1.5 gallons of water daily) and use Advanced Cycle Support. If your urine is not clear you are not drinking enough water. No alcohol while on any PH.
bassbusterfiss
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i ran a cycle a few months ago felt great for the first 2 weeks and then the 3rd came
Is this your first cycle of PH? You do need to run cycle support and drink lots of water. I just finished my cycle 3 pills a day with no major sides..mybe some back pumps every once in a while but i get those on any PH I do. Watch taking too much of other things while taking PHs. Too much candy a** creatine with all the other additives can shut down kidneys, take only real monohydrate creatine if you take any.
Hate4TheWeak
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Well you stopped so?^
I did and went on SD cause I already had it, lol. I'm running this bottle out and methadrol might possibly be my next... But I've ran SD the last several times I've ran an oral so it would be nice to change things up. I want to try dbol but since I like the stronger orals anadrol sounds good. But shit I want to try d bol! lol
this is contradictory to post 32 by Prince (or is it? maybe i am missing something). And I mean absolutely no disrespect to the knowledge either of you obviously have. Its just that I'm a noob trying to learn everything possible about oct/pct since i think that is truly the most important thing to know about supplementation. And there seems to be a lot of contradictory information out there. Following the wrong advice could obviously lead to unpleasant consequences when dealing with powerful substances. One can never be too cautious.
There are various meds that can be used for recovery not just one single medicine. Various SERM's, Aromatase Inhibitors and even HCG can be used.
Hate4TheWeak
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Ironmaglabs makes decent clones...no doubt.
BUT what the hell is with stacking 2 double methylated comounds like sd and dmz? That's retarded imo. Stacking methyls is one thing but 2 di methyls? Really? Why? There are tons of different DS out there that could be more safely stacked in a single products without doing something like this...It makes no sence to me.
Must every stack out there contain SD and or dmz? I'd like to see iml make a decadrol/halo/sd combo it anything.
BBing is about making continual progress, not gaining 20lbs at the cost of liver problems which could dramaticaly effect what you are able to run from there on out.
That's just my opinion.
BUT what the hell is with stacking 2 double methylated comounds like sd and dmz? That's retarded imo. Stacking methyls is one thing but 2 di methyls? Really? Why? There are tons of different DS out there that could be more safely stacked in a single products without doing something like this...It makes no sence to me.
Must every stack out there contain SD and or dmz? I'd like to see iml make a decadrol/halo/sd combo it anything.
BBing is about making continual progress, not gaining 20lbs at the cost of liver problems which could dramaticaly effect what you are able to run from there on out.
That's just my opinion.
^ Well sd and dmz are very closely related and some of dmz converts to sd... I'd realy like to try this one day. I love sd and handle it well. I realy don't like running less than 30mgs of straight sd but only for 2 weeks personally.
From what I've seen and heard, no legal supplement compares to this one. The best.
Who sells HCG here?
Hate4TheWeak
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Me either man, and that's kinda wha sucks about it! I have never made it pass week three before I started doing it the way I am now. Imagine if that was an AAS a lil safer like even bol and you could run 40mgs or so a a day for 6 weeks! Beast mode!
Damn, can water retention be minimized with moderate cardio while on metha drol extreme? This seems pretty interesting as a product, and reviews are there from users to back this up. Really liking what I've come across so far. Wouldn't mind having a few bottles in the back for a reserve. Just so I can get all my ducks in a row e control, ultra male, anabolic matrix, and Advanced cycle support is all that is needed while on and off? Where can I find the cycle layout for this so I can see what it looks like? Thanks.
EDIT: can the same on and off cycle supports be used with dmz as well? Still back and forth between dmz and metha drol extreme for my goals of noticeably solid lean muscle growth. I'm talking panty dropping physique here, lol! Seriously though...
$220.95 for the metha drol extreme stack assuming I would only need a bottle of each mentioned above.
$210.95 for the super dmz stack with all mention on and off supps.
I need to start saving damnit!
EDIT: can the same on and off cycle supports be used with dmz as well? Still back and forth between dmz and metha drol extreme for my goals of noticeably solid lean muscle growth. I'm talking panty dropping physique here, lol! Seriously though...
$220.95 for the metha drol extreme stack assuming I would only need a bottle of each mentioned above.
$210.95 for the super dmz stack with all mention on and off supps.
I need to start saving damnit!
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Hate4TheWeak
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If you could make 6 weeks of SD like gains it would be worth it......keeping it on the other hand....
