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So TwinPeak based on your experience, how many mg would you do a day? How long of a cycle would you recommend, and is 6-OXO strong enough for the post cycle?
I may be interested in trying M1-t...
Yes I was stating what others felt on just 10mg a day vs. the effects they got on d-bol. No that is not scientific, I was just wondering if you knew something I didn't.
I agree with it not being apples to apples for comparison.
Hey MUdge i do respect your threads because you have more info on these subjects then i ever will.However that post i posted about importing Nolvadex was taken from UScustoms site.Nolvadex is not a controlled or scheduled substance. Having a 90 day supply shipped from overseas is legal.
If you have a prescription maybe?
Like with other PH/PS, I would recommend 4-6 weeks cycles.
For a PS newb, I think 20 mg a day would be a good start. I'd run that for a few (2-3) weeks and up it as appropriate (i.e. depending on the sides, if any).
For someone more experienced, but who has never used M1T, I'd recommend starting at 20, and upping to 30 after 4-5 days if sides are tolerated.
By sides, some have reported severe headaches, noticable high blood pressure, extreme lethargy, etc.
I think an experienced Ph/PS user who knows how M1T affects him, a 4-60 week cycle of 30-50 per day would not be unreasonable. Indeed, my next cycle will be in this area. I'll also likely stack it, haven't decided with what yet, as it will depend on my goals (bulking or leaning).
Make sure you high dose milk thistle and NAC, and post cycle would be a typical one, IMO. 6-oxo, fish oil, flax, heavy weights, low volume, no failure, more rest, more sleep, etc. I'd probably run 6-oxo at a higher dose (say the full 500mg per day dose).
M 1-T is Up to 16 times more anabolic and 2.2 times as androgenic as regular methyl test!!
http://www.mesorx.com/articles/arnold/steroid-development.htm
http://www.mesorx.com/articles/arnold/steroid-development.htm
Let me intervene here. I have been getting ridiculous amounts of feedback about M-1-T as well as speaking with someone that will soon be putting out a version of this product (and 4-AD) that will blow everything out of the water.
10 mg per day IS enough for many people to see very nice gains and 2 weeks is also enough for some people to add 5-7 lbs of solid bodyweight. NOBODY knows the optimal cycle length of M-1-T right now and it is all speculation and experimentation at this point. That said, there is a movement in bodybuilding chemical use right now that is calling for much shorter cycles rather than long, drawn out ones. One particular contest prep guru (and maybe the best) has his guys doing 2 week cycles with 2 weeks off in between and has been bringing these guys into shows harder and heavier than they ever were while doing 12-16 week long cycles.
I am beginning to believe that the body reacts best to shorter blitzes and the bonus is also less side effects. This whole cycle thing is in its infancy, but I feel that we are going to see a change to the old standard way of cycling steroids and prosteroids soon.
As for M-1-T, I think that most can get away with 10-20 mg daily and at 4 weeks max. Some will be able to handle 30 and we know that some morons will push the envelope further.
FYI...VPXs M-I-T is going to be "in house" today.
10 mg per day IS enough for many people to see very nice gains and 2 weeks is also enough for some people to add 5-7 lbs of solid bodyweight. NOBODY knows the optimal cycle length of M-1-T right now and it is all speculation and experimentation at this point. That said, there is a movement in bodybuilding chemical use right now that is calling for much shorter cycles rather than long, drawn out ones. One particular contest prep guru (and maybe the best) has his guys doing 2 week cycles with 2 weeks off in between and has been bringing these guys into shows harder and heavier than they ever were while doing 12-16 week long cycles.
I am beginning to believe that the body reacts best to shorter blitzes and the bonus is also less side effects. This whole cycle thing is in its infancy, but I feel that we are going to see a change to the old standard way of cycling steroids and prosteroids soon.
As for M-1-T, I think that most can get away with 10-20 mg daily and at 4 weeks max. Some will be able to handle 30 and we know that some morons will push the envelope further.
FYI...VPXs M-I-T is going to be "in house" today.
This law may change as some people are fighting for lower drug costs, but the drug companies are fighting against it.
Example
http://www.walgreens.com/library/finddrug/druginfo.jhtml?particularDrug=Anadrol
Walgreens USA ANADROL-50 50MG TAB 100 EA $1,551.99
Black market, $160+
Stop it with this methyl-test comparison.
Why don't you cite the A/A ratio set against that of testosterone. Even then, the body isn't so simple as that. If a compound is X times as anabolic as Y, does that mean you'll get X times the growth.
And, going by feedback, 10 mgs isn't enough for everyone. That is also going by common sense. Is 500 mgs of test enanthate a week enough for everyone.
However, I am a fan of short cycles, but not for the reasons typically stated (e.g. "it's too harsh on your liver," etc).
Why don't you cite the A/A ratio set against that of testosterone. Even then, the body isn't so simple as that. If a compound is X times as anabolic as Y, does that mean you'll get X times the growth.
And, going by feedback, 10 mgs isn't enough for everyone. That is also going by common sense. Is 500 mgs of test enanthate a week enough for everyone.
However, I am a fan of short cycles, but not for the reasons typically stated (e.g. "it's too harsh on your liver," etc).
As usual, great info guys. I have one 1-AD cycle under my belt, and I'm starting a S1+ cycle next week. More then likely M1-T will be next.
Is the VPX version out now?
Whi is it that no one seems to carry kilosports stuff? The only place I can find it is own their own web site, just wondering if it was that great of a product why doesn't everyone carry it? I think I'd be more confident with a product from VPX, everyone seems to have faith in VPX.
Is that MAG 10 stuff any good?
Is m-1-Test the most effective legal product out there?
With all the hype about steroids now in MLB etc do you think the feds will ban m-1-test once they find out it is a real steroid, not just another andro product?
It is a real steroid, isn't it?
Whi is it that no one seems to carry kilosports stuff? The only place I can find it is own their own web site, just wondering if it was that great of a product why doesn't everyone carry it? I think I'd be more confident with a product from VPX, everyone seems to have faith in VPX.
Is that MAG 10 stuff any good?
Is m-1-Test the most effective legal product out there?
With all the hype about steroids now in MLB etc do you think the feds will ban m-1-test once they find out it is a real steroid, not just another andro product?
It is a real steroid, isn't it?
Not sure what was directed at me, but I never said that 10 mgs is enough for EVERYONE, but MANY. How do I know this? Besides feedback given directly to me for research purposes, as well as in house testing, I can tell you that 10 mg per day for 2 weeks gave people up to 6 lbs of lean mass and nothing less than 3 lbs. Pretty freaking good for a small dose.
And I am also a fan of short cycles and also not necessarily b/c of less side effects (which is still true), but b/c the body will gain more in the end this way for many reasons.
-mag 10 is lousy now
-VPX M-1 T is ready in liquid form if anyone wants to buy it, but there is a problem with a burning sensation in the throat with it and VPX may begin encapsulating it
-M 1-T is THE most powerful OTC product available now
-Plain 1-Test is a steroid too...but soon ALL of them will be gone
Its a pretty bad burn. I recommended that he dilute the dose a bit as you do not need much to grow on. Anyway, I will have a price by Monday or you can just call VPX direct 800-954-7904.
Like I said...we will make the liquid available to people that don't want to wait for the caps, but you gotta deal with that BURN!
Gopro, what is the shelf life of the various VPX 1-tests? On the bottom of a 1-AD bottle I had it has imprinted 10203EX06. If I'm reading that right, it would appear it is saying the shelf life is 3 years.
It wasn't directed at you, and my comments (regarding 10 mgs) were made in light of a broader view of the feedback, from an increase in users (some of which having more experience with PH's/AAS's).
I have several thoughts on this, but I'm curious as to what yours are.
I have several thoughts on this, but I'm curious as to what yours are.
check this out, i'm over at the anabolicminds forum and all of a sudden this little company milleniumfitness.com is the buzz and they're selling it for less than 50 bucks. besides, kilo is stringing everyone along.
