METHYL 4-AD (MAD!) Who Wants Some!

[Power Rabbit]

Originally posted by prolangtum
You do have to dose fairly high. I used 4-ad cyp, 4-ad base is somewhat painful, and hard to get into a high enough mg/ml solution. After cutting and than maintaining for a couple of months, I started 4-ad cyp @ 1200mgs per week at a bodyweight of about 225. 6 weeks in I was up to 235 with a little bit of water. I just recently got off PCT, Im about 4 weeks totally clean, holding at 230. For a one compound cycle, I would go for about 1600mgs per week, which should be close to about 400-500mgs of Test per week, at least comparing the two compounds. I do love injectable 1-T cyp. Mg for Mg it did more for me than EQ ever did. I ran 10 weeks @ 1 gram per week, and 600mgs of 4-ad cyp, just for libido. I got down to right around 7% BF, and I was only 250 cals below maintenance. By week 5 of 1-T cyp, I could tell a quite dramatic hardening of the muscles, and BF kept dropping with nil change in diet.

Cool...thanks bro...Im definately gonna give that a try some time. sounds like some quality gains What company is leading the way on 1-test cyp powder that dont hurt? I hear 1-t can be a pretty painful jab.

 

[prolangtum]

I have used 1-T base, hurts and painful dont begin to describe it. 1-T cyp on the other hand is about on par with Test Eth injection pain. I get my powder from bulknutrition, and never had a bad inject from it.

 

[ILokiI]

yeah, bump on that. Mike really has the 'quality control' thing nailed down to a tee; he's even got the assays listed out on the page.

http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=570&osCsid=62064ee03a7edcd6a1fafb3d51124d01

(with 1Fast/Bulknutrition, it's rather hard to go wrong...)

 

[prolangtum]

Just dont buy 19 nor cyp, I had zero results off of even a gram

 

[Dante B.]

Note:

My latest comments weren't in reference to Loki. They were in reference to just about everyone else who has put their face in that book, without concurrently allowing the gravity of logic to pull their head out of their ass.

 

[PreMier]

Subscribe.

I am interested to see the outcome of this products test.

 

[prolangtum]

Dante,
Is it okay for me to blow smoke out of my ass though, since I dont have a Vida book?

 

[Twin Peak]

Who is Vida?

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Fire, Pro is actually a rather experienced AAS user. His concerns re nolvadex is due (I believe) to the comments he posted by Pat Arnold regarding this compound and the concerns that it will be highly estrogenic, and not (relatively) very anabolic.

I can understand that TP and I don't have any problem whatsoever with his stating his point regarding that. The only thing that I found distasteful was how he makes it look like VPX is underhanded. My point was only that MANY companies offer their products for FREE even to get some feedback before they go live with a product. Shit man, they even do it for TV shows!!! That was my only dislike regarding his post.

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
BTW, this is something I do from time to time, as I see no issues with linking other boards on our board. If nothing else, cross polination of boards is only a good thing as far as learning and knowledge are concerned. If you counted, you'd be suprised how many members here are a result of me talking about IM (including a moderator) elsewhere.

It helps keep the entire community alive.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Who is Vida?

Vida is the brother of Min best known as the vidamin brothers. lol

 

[Dale Mabry]

Just saw this thread and thought I would post a bit on it. I like GP, he is a cool guy and I love VPXs Micellean MRP, but I feel this latest deal is a little off base.

In a time when the FDA is on the supp companie's backs, it seems inappropriate to sell a product in order to beta test it. In the pharm industry, you NEVER charge trial participants for the pharmaceuticals they use, ESPECIALLY something that has never been tested before. In most cases, the pharm companies pay a HYOOGE participation fee to subjects. Regardless of whether or not there is sound theory behind it or not, you have no idea what the human body is going to do to it and how a person's system will react. Even if you reacted well to the compound GP, 1 participant is not enough to assess the adverse effects that could come as a result of it. Although this is just my opinion, albeit one based on a fair amount knowledge on the subject, doing stuff like this will NOT help the reputation of the supplement industry.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Just saw this thread and thought I would post a bit on it. I like GP, he is a cool guy and I love VPXs Micellean MRP, but I feel this latest deal is a little off base.

In a time when the FDA is on the supp companie's backs, it seems inappropriate to sell a product in order to beta test it. In the pharm industry, you NEVER charge trial participants for the pharmaceuticals they use, ESPECIALLY something that has never been tested before. In most cases, the pharm companies pay a HYOOGE participation fee to subjects. Regardless of whether or not there is sound theory behind it or not, you have no idea what the human body is going to do to it and how a person's system will react. Even if you reacted well to the compound GP, 1 participant is not enough to assess the adverse effects that could come as a result of it. Although this is just my opinion, albeit one based on a fair amount knowledge on the subject, doing stuff like this will NOT help the reputation of the supplement industry.

Dale your statements are totally correct but I think others led this thread to believe that this was being beta tested. GoPro's initial offer was a discount on the product with hopes that people will post remarks on the product which in essence is moreso free advertising.
A perfect example is that of SYNTRAX SWOLE V.2, ISOMATRIX RELOADED. I can't speak for Babsie or DG but I can speak for myself regarding their products. I was sent an email asking me if I would try their products and then start threads or post comments on those products they gave me. Now I can't be bought off for a mere tub of protein and some Swole by starting positive threads on those products if I didn't really stand behind my beliefs. I honestly liked them and continue to use them even though they are no longer free. GOPRO is taking the same tried and tested advertising approach except he is offering a discounted price rather then free. Then again,, MAD is hella more expensive then Swole or Isomatrix. IN short he is not testing the products on us but asking for free publicity for a discounted price.
those "outsiders' came here stirring up shit and GPs true words were lost in all the hog wash.

 

[Var]

Originally posted by firestorm

A perfect example is that of SYNTRAX SWOLE V.2, ISOMATRIX RELOADED. I can't speak for Babsie or DG but I can speak for myself regarding their products. I was sent an email asking me if I would try their products and then start threads or post comments on those products they gave me.

This is extremely interesting to me. I always suspected that some of this was going on. I hope other members have been as honest with their feedback as you claim to be.

Originally posted by firestorm

those "outsiders' came here stirring up shit and GPs true words were lost in all the hog wash.

I'm assuming by "outsiders" you referring to Prolangtum and other AM guys. There are some interesting threads over there which shed some light on why they are as skeptical of VPX as they are. They actually called GoPro out and tried to have a solid debate, but he backed down.

I'm not trying to stir shit or bust GoPro's balls. I actually use his workout and have learned a lot from his posts. Just felt the need to clear the air a bit.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Ethically you are not supposed to charge for a product that hasn't been tested, that's all I was getting at. I would not imagine Methylated 4ad to cost all that much considering the low cost of regular 4ad. I suppose the issue here would be more as to whether or not VPX was making a buck or not, which I bet they are. Regardless, a company as big as VPX could afford to beta test it at their cost considering how big they are. You don't see Merck charging people to test out their products until they are finished. This, of course, is not GP's choice, it would be the head of VPXs choice.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Var
This is extremely interesting to me. I always suspected that some of this was going on. I hope other members have been as honest with their feedback as you claim to be.


Oh believe me Var,, I sure as hell wouldn't have even admitted it if I wasn't being clearly honest. In fact I'm "deadly" honest and those that know me best can testify that my "honesty" has in fact gotten me banned from several sites.
I care more about the members here then some suppliment company that gave me a freebie.
The truth of the matter is just as I stated, I am almost out of the free stuff and am now in search of the cheapest price on the internet to "purchase" it for myself. If I didn't like it I wouldn't buy it. I certainly wouldn't tell people I've had great gains on it if it were not true.
The one thing that never lies is a persons eyes. I started this "online compitition here in October, My lifts, and muscle size have increased rather nicely and I credited "PART" of those gains to my supplementation. Now I do not use SYNTRAX alone as I've also stated. I use VPX products and gasparinutrition Pro Hormones. I believe they ALL played and are playing a part in my gains.
And I do not get any discounts from VPX and only one discount from Gaspari when I ran into him in person.
In regards to prices for all these supplements, I will not buy direct from Syntrax (too expensive and I've found cheaper on the internet) VPX again expensive from their site except when they ran the buy2 get 1 free (redline) Redline I bought from them, everything else elsewhere.
Gaspari products on home page again expensive but I can get them at fitness2000 store in Princeton cheaper. Still searching for best prices for his Pro Hormones.
bodybuilding.com I have found have great prices and I personally haven't found cheaper "yet".
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I'm assuming by "outsiders" you referring to Prolangtum and other AM guys. There are some interesting threads over there which shed some light on why they are as skeptical of VPX as they are. They actually called GoPro out and tried to have a solid debate, but he back out.

Yes but who they are is actually irrelivant. As for what they say, I'm not debating it because Gopro can fight his own battles I'm there for moral support and to back him up if mud slinging starts. My point was after they showed up the point of his original offer was lost in confusion. I'm merely pointing out that GP is working the free advertising angle. Keeping in mind that angle can cut both ways. If people like it they will respond positively. If they don't see results, well they are "expected" to tell us the Truth. GP wouldn't expect anyone to lie and I can damn well guarentee,, friend or not, if a product does nothing for me I'd either say nothing or say it did nothing for me that I could tell.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Ethically you are not supposed to charge for a product that hasn't been tested, that's all I was getting at. I would not imagine Methylated 4ad to cost all that much considering the low cost of regular 4ad. I suppose the issue here would be more as to whether or not VPX was making a buck or not, which I bet they are. Regardless, a company as big as VPX could afford to beta test it at their cost considering how big they are. You don't see Merck charging people to test out their products until they are finished. This, of course, is not GP's choice, it would be the head of VPXs choice.

I understand what your saying Dale and as I already stated I agree with you. You shouldn't charge for a product that hasn't been tested. but that is not the case with MAD. Gopro never said it wasn't tested. That was assumed somewhere along the line early in this thread. He offered a discount price before it actually hit the shelves at full price of 100.00. In return for the discount he only asked for written feedback here in the forum as it's been done with other products. This is a form of advertising and publicity for VPX. He offered a discount for advertising not asking for test subjects. He believes the product is good and "expects" people to post postively.

 

[Var]

Originally posted by firestorm

Oh believe me Var,, I sure as hell wouldn't have even admitted it if I wasn't being clearly honest. In fact I'm "deadly" honest and those that know me best can testify that my "honesty" has in fact gotten me banned from several sites.

I certainly wasnt implying that you were dishonest. The fact is, I don't know you and have no idea if you're an honest person or not. I also pride myself on my honesty, and anyone who knows me will attest to it, but I dont expect you to take my word for it.

Yes but who they are is actually irrelivant. As for what they say, I'm not debating it because Gopro can fight his own battles I'm there for moral support and to back him up if mud slinging starts. My point was after they showed up the point of his original offer was lost in confusion. I'm merely pointing out that GP is working the free advertising angle. Keeping in mind that angle can cut both ways. If people like it they will respond positively. If they don't see results, well they are "expected" to tell us the Truth. GP wouldn't expect anyone to lie and I can damn well guarentee,, friend or not, if a product does nothing for me I'd either say nothing or say it did nothing for me that I could tell.

As I said before, I was in no way trying to stir shit. I try to keep things civil here because I think we have a great group at IM. I've actually wanted to say something ever since the "mudslinging" started. Having read the threads over at AM, I can definitely understand their frustration with VPX and GoPro's inability/ lack of interest in backing up his claims. I just think it puts the mudslinging in perspective.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Var
I certainly wasnt implying that you were dishonest. The fact is, I don't know you and have no idea if you're an honest person or not. I also pride myself on my honesty, and anyone who knows me will attest to it, but I dont expect you to take my word for it.

I didn't think you were implying I was dishonest. All good Var. I respect you for speaking your mind. I'm all for freedom of speech bro.
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As I said before, I was in no way trying to stir shit. I try to keep things civil here because I think we have a great group at IM. I've actually wanted to say something ever since the "mudslinging" started. Having read the threads over at AM, I can definitely understand their frustration with VPX and GoPro's inability/ lack of interest in backing up his claims. I just think it puts the mudslinging in perspective.

I don't believe I suggested you were tyring to stir up shit. Speak your mind that is your right. The only problem that most of us had is that we are not members of AM so whatever transpired there should stay there. We as members of IM see a friend of ours under attack for something that happened elsewhere and we as friends will back him up. That kind of loyalty to our members is also a reason why we have such a good group here. I personnally have never gotten a 1/2 assed answer from GP. Many times he gives me more info that I really want to read through. Sometimes how a converation is going can be a reason why GP or anyone may loose interest in a thread. If all your seeing is criticism and attack you back off and call it a day. that may have been GPs stance over there, I don't know and honestly I really don't care. I'm not part of that board and don't care what was said there. I only care about what I read here.

 

[Var]

Originally posted by firestorm
I don't believe I suggested you were tyring to stir up shit. Speak your mind that is your right. The only problem that most of us had is that we are not members of AM so whatever transpired there should stay there. We as members of IM see a friend of ours under attack for something that happened elsewhere and we as friends will back him up. That kind of loyalty to our members is also a reason why we have such a good group here. I personnally have never gotten a 1/2 assed answer from GP. Many times he gives me more info that I really want to read through. Sometimes how a converation is going can be a reason why GP or anyone may loose interest in a thread. If all your seeing is criticism and attack you back off and call it a day. that may have been GPs stance over there, I don't know and honestly I really don't care. I'm not part of that board and don't care what was said there. I only care about what I read here.

I'm in agreement with you here. IM'ers were kinda left in the dark regarding the issues at AM and it did sound as though they were just trying to cause trouble. I guess that's why I wanted to put my $.02 in and get their back a little. I was going to post a link to the thread in question a couple weeks ago, but decided against it due to our members apparent lack of interest . I have this weird need for people to understand the truth...when it seems they havent been given all the details. Gets me into these debates too often.

 

[firestorm]

Var again I see your point but really what does the truth about something that happened elsewhere matter? What does matter is the information you get here! Can we agree on that? I feel "here" GOPRO has always answered questions fully and when he wasn't sure about something he said so. He even said that here on this thread. He said he wasn't really sure about how well this product (mad) really was at this point. And for someone that represents the company that was pretty damn cool of him to say. He could have blown smoke up our butts saying the stuff was great but he did not do that. He has shown nothing but honesty here so going on about what happened somewhere else isn't worth debating and that is the bottom line.

 

[Var]

Originally posted by firestorm
Var again I see your point but really what does the truth about something that happened elsewhere matter? What does matter is the information you get here! Can we agree on that? I feel "here" GOPRO has always answered questions fully and when he wasn't sure about something he said so. He even said that here on this thread. He said he wasn't really sure about how well this product (mad) really was at this point. And for someone that represents the company that was pretty damn cool of him to say. He could have blown smoke up our butts saying the stuff was great but he did not do that. He has shown nothing but honesty here so going on about what happened somewhere else isn't worth debating and that is the bottom line.

I'm sorry, but I definitely CANNOT agree with you on that. Information is information...truth is truth. If someone gets slammed on another board and cant back up claims made...its relevent when similar claims are made here.
This is an old arguement and I wasnt trying to fan the fire. When you made your "outsiders" comment, I was compelled to comment.

 

[firestorm]

Its only relevant if the claims are still not backed up HERE. Because he walked away there isn't relative Here at least not to us as you have noticed from the overwhelming support GP receives from us. If as you say claims were not answered elsewhere and the same questions were brought up here and still being side stepped then you have an argument. But seriously,, I still don't care if he walked away from some other board. And I really don't care if he had told those guys to go F#$ themselves over there. I just don't care! Most of us don't.
My suggestion is this if you must keep this silly thing alive. Start a thread with the original question regarding VPX and then see what type of response you get here.

 

[ZECH]

Anyone have any updates on M 4/ad they can share?

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by dg806
Anyone have any updates on M 4/ad they can share?

Here are some results posted from another board in regards to MAD 250:

hello all! ok here are the results of my mad cycle 2 weeks week one at 3cc day week 2 at 5cc day. over all there were alot of results in basically every catagorie but im only going to name the main ones, ok here we go.

starting weight 174lbs, final weight 182lbs
starting chest 42.5", final chest 44"
starting biceps 15" final bicep 15 1/2"
starting calf 16.5" final calf 16 3/4"
starting thigh 24 final thigh 24.5"
starting forearm 13" final forearm 13 1/4"
starting waist 33" final waist 33.5"
WEIGHTS
starting bench press 245 X 1 final 245 X 6
starting incline dumbell press 85x10 final 100x3
starting standing tri extensions 90x10 final 130x5

those are the major gains, over all my strength was amazing. only side effects that i experienced was i was a little more wired at night then normal so i got less sleep hence was tired in the weight room somedays, umm face stayed fine, actually cleared up more from when i started it the key is washing 3xs a day. um i was a little more edgey then normal but it would only be right after i took a dose and then like 5 minutes later my girl friend would say something stupid. and because my weights went up so much my joins are absolutely killing me in my forearms but thats well worth it. good side effect my libido increased a little! haha... so over all i cant complain one bit this product is all and more then whats its cracked up to be and my chest is getting beautiful!!!!!!!! lol... so my advice is for anyone looking for some amazing strength gains and nice size give mad a shot. dont wait for the ban to pull it off ! buy it now damn it now! haha. later guys have a great week