Military Draft: Back sooner than we thought?

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by TheGreatSatan

Funny how like 17 of the 19 Hijackers on Sept. 11 were Saudis. How many were Iraqi's satan? Leaving your wife to raise two small children by herself so you can convince your dead self that you have courage, is extremely irresponsible. The military wasn't really intended for men with families.

P.S. the whole satan thing makes you look like a retard. Self expression is one thing, but if you're trying to be a bad boy, I'm laughing. and the bible, which is the original source of Satan, says that even Satan and the demons know and fear God. So by nature, if you beleive in Satan you beleive in God, and you're purposely choosing the losing team and playing for a coach that wants you to burn with him for all eternity, apparently in some kind of twisted attempt to draw attention to yourself. Now keep in mind, I'm not trying to witness to you, I'm just educating you on your own view, cause you are technically beleiving in God if you beleive in Satan. And as far as the whole tough guy thing goes, getting possesed by a demon wouldn't make you tough, it would make you stupid.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Originally posted by RCfootball87
Funny how like 17 of the 19 Hijackers on Sept. 11 were Saudis. How many were Iraqi's satan? Leaving your wife to raise two small children by herself so you can convince your dead self that you have courage, is extremely irresponsible. The military wasn't really intended for men with families.

Like you have a fuqing clue about anything. Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Jordan, etc; they're all the same. All seeking to destroy us whether they've already made an attempt or not. Iraq used chemical weapons against their own people. What makes you think they wouldn't do the same to us if they had the chance? They all hate the U.S. in the Mideast. We are commonly called the great Satan and by killing us they are fulfilling their commitment with Allah.

Courage is giving yourself for a worthy cause. Taking a bullet for your country gives civilian dumbasses like yourself another free day. So, go back to liberal CNN and get your warped version of the news. And read my PM. I'm sick of having to repeat myself to the looney Christian posters on the forum.

 

[firestorm]

hehehe I hear everything you guys are saying and you have a point, but me personally, I love conflicts regardless if were right or wrong and I used to really eat that shit up. When my superiors said well were sending your into "here" and it's going to get hot, I'd have this urge to go and masturbate. hahahahahahahaha Sorry but that is just my makeup. I hate to quote movies on serious conversations since they are not real but in the movie Platoon, Bunny (Kevin Dillon) character made a comment: "I love this shit, nobody fucks with you and where else can you go and fuck with people and get away with it" My sentiments exactly. I wouldn't need a good reason to go and kill somebody in a foreign land, just an excuse. (My excuse? it was an order) (I'd go over there tomorrow if I didn't have a family and they would take me back)

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by TheGreatSatan
Courage is giving yourself for a worthy cause. Taking a bullet for your country gives civilian dumbasses like yourself another free day. So, go back to liberal CNN and get your warped version of the news. And read my PM. I'm sick of having to repeat myself to the looney Christian posters on the forum.

If you love the people you're fighting for so much, why are you calling them dumbasses, cause I'm sure not the only one who doesn't think this war was justified. Second off, I watch fox news, CNN is a joke. I'm nto a liberal because I don't agree with this war. I'm anti abortion, pro gun, and the fact that my state is trying to give known illegal aliens driver's licenses instead of deporting them infuriates me to no end. When did I ever call myself a Christian. Just because I have a large knowledge of the christian, probably more than most Christians, doens't mean I'm a Christian. Don't assume so much.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Won't kill a baby, but pro gun? Good going...

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by TheGreatSatan
Won't kill a baby, but pro gun? Good going...

I'm not even gonna go there, give me an anti gun argument if you want and I'll counter.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by TheGreatSatan
Won't kill a baby, but pro gun? Good going...

What? I wouldn't kill a baby and I'm pro gun. I love firearms and the only thing I shoot at these days is paper. It's just a sport like anything else. There isn't anything wrong with going to a rang and popping off some rounds into a target. Guns are only bad when they are in the hands of a bad person. We all know that if you ban guns, if you want to kill someone you can still do it. ever hear of Timmothy McVae (spelling). He never fired a weapon (in the US) and had more kills then any gun toting nut this country ever produced.

 

[firestorm]

Let me tell you a little gun story. My wife was totally against having guns in the house after we were married but I still kept on in the kitchen, bedroom, living room, and Garage. All stategically placed in case an intruder ever got in. Anyway, she hated it. She would reach in the drawer to get a dish cloth and pull out a 9mm. hahaha Anyway, one night we went out, we came home and after we opened the front door, right down the hallway we could see the living room window(releases at the top so you can swing it down to clean) was wide open and leaning down on the coutch. The 1st words out of her mouth were GET THE GUN!!! She was scared shitless. Well I got the gun in the kitchen and swept the house and it was empty. She must not have latched it very good when she cleaned it. But man I always reminded her about how nice it was to have a gun handy when it was possibly needed. She kept her mouth shut ever since. I no longer keeps guns like that because I have kids. They are ALL locked up and out of the house. I have to rely on my combat knife skills now if anyone ever breaks in. HOpe I"m still good at it!!!!
(and I know, don't say it..... you don't bring a knife to a gun fight... Well if you can handle a knife and are stealthy you can beat a gun....trust me on this one.wink wink)

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Originally posted by RCfootball87
I'm not even gonna go there, give me an anti gun argument if you want and I'll counter.

I can't. I'm pro gun and pro choice.

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by TheGreatSatan
I can't. I'm pro gun and pro choice.

I don't like the term pro-choice. try pro abortion. Like 1% of abortions are from rape. The other times you have a choice- don't have sex, especially unprotected, until you're married. I'm not saving myself for marriage or anything but I'm saying people still do have a choice if they want to. It's not like you're walking down the street and all of a sudde you're skipping your period. You know what I'm saying. pro abortion, not pro choice.

 

[Eggs]

What I want to know is why a guy has to pay for the baby when a girl gets pregnant and "its just her body".

If people want abortion to be legal, then they need to consequently state that a child is a womans responsibility. Having an abortion isnt a guys choice at all, the woman has all the choice. Why then does the man have to pay for the child if she decides to have it? Its just a part of her body isnt it?

I'm anti-abortion myself, and believe that a man should take responsibility for his actions. However, the law isnt rational in this point. There is an unfair distribution of power. Anyways, I'm not really going to go into it here because I'd probably offend some people and I really dont want to spit at those that have had abortions.

 

[firestorm]

WEll I'm with you on this topic Eggs. I'm anti abortion also. It's just another example of assholes not taking responsablity for their actions and the laws are wacked in every way shape and form. One murdered gets a death sentence (but never put to death), and another murderer gets 10years It's insane. Laws against the man in a relationship where a women gets pregnant is just another example of injustice. A man can offer to take the child if born yet the asshole women can still say no and have an abortion so not to loose her figure. Makes me sick. In the case of rape victims I condone abortion. No women should be expected to carry some rapist child. The abortion is traumatic enough and to have a constant reminder of the animal is mental tourture.

 

[firestorm]

Oh and Eggs on the matter of abortion, I don't care if I piss off a women that has had an abortion. If she has had one out of convienence then I have no respect for her in that area of her life. I may respect other things about the person but there is a BIG CHECK MARK next to her name in my mind.

 

[Eggs]

Thats true... and the chance of them despising the child would probably be higher and the child turning out to be a mess in the long run. Which would be just as much a travesty as the original problem.

 

[Eggs]

I agree and disagree... I agree that I dont believe in abortion and if someone said they were going to get one I'd tell them that I'd loose alot of respect if such were for convenience.

At the same time, I believe in forgiveness and the ability for us all to change... so if someone here has had one I could not hold it against them. I'd hope that the experience would change them for the better though.

 

[firestorm]

Murder is murder Eggs. I've never forgiven Charles Manson, or any other murderer for that matter. I also consider crimes against children the absolute worst. I'm sure you have seen a dead fetus after an abortion and it is a horrible site. Born or not it looks like a human being, it's heart is beating like a human being. the only difference is, it isn't fullly developed or outside the body. I've seen premature babies born (under 3 pounds) and life a normal life. My neighbor is case in point. So I know in my mind that is an unborn human being and someone is choosing to end it's life before it ever has a chance. It's a sad sad world we life and morals have gone totally to the waste side. Oh well, I better get off this subject before I make enemies here.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Mike51
makes you wonder how many "low class" individuals or garbage as fire puts it died in vietnam?

and there aint no fucking smilie on this post.....

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PUBLIC APPOLOGY

I wish to appologize to anyone I may have insulted with my poor wording again. I have nothing but respect for ANYONE and EVERYONE regardless of Race Creed or color, or financial classification that has served in our countrys military. I was only pointing out that the poor and lower class are drafed to the infantry including a large majority of our inner city youth that by todays standards are not "ALWAYS" the nicest people. those are the ones I'd rather keep my children sheltered from, not the Majority of service personnel.
Anyway, I'm sorry again for how I worded that original post.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention MIKE51.

 

[Eggs]

Yeah you bastard, what thread can we go whore up?

 

[firestorm]

Any Thread started by SATAN. HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Eggs]

Lets get um.

 

[firestorm]

hahahaha I'm already with you.

 

[Eggs]

Like tag team wrestling.

Tag... tear um apart FS!

 

[DeadBolt]

Hey I have no problem with a draft or fighting for my country, Id rather do that then work. I say grab ur ass, grab ur gear, and get in the bush. For those who don't want to fight you can just blame it on your religion or say you don't want to and the gov't crosses you off the list. Sorry I can't think of the specific term used for that specification. But if you live in this country for god sakes at least take a little pride in it, we have come a long way and done alot to get powerful so help out a little bit. But hell thats jsut my mentality I LOVE war and would rather fighr a war then stay around here. Can't wait to join the USMC and get my MOP up and going OOORAAAHHHH. Infantry all the way.

 

[Rocco32]

Originally posted by Eggs
I agree and disagree... I agree that I dont believe in abortion and if someone said they were going to get one I'd tell them that I'd loose alot of respect if such were for convenience.

At the same time, I believe in forgiveness and the ability for us all to change... so if someone here has had one I could not hold it against them. I'd hope that the experience would change them for the better though.

I agree with you Eggs. There has to be forgiveness.

Alot of women who have abortions are young and in school and are terrified out of their minds. It is murder FS, but bear in mind that the ones who ask for forgiveness and realise what they did is wrong, they live with it and a tremendous amount of guilt the rest of their lives. The ones that don't see a problem with it are the ones I have a problem with! With these young girls the concept of abortion is not as black and white as murdering an adult or rape because as a nation we have condoned and sanctioned the act and counseling these young girls that there is nothing wrong with it and it is not murder. Sad but true. Besides, it's not our place to judge or condemn them. That is between them and their maker!

 

[firestorm]

Well your right Rock it isn't my place to condem and I won't do that. but my friend, that doesn't mean I have to respect them or like them. I don't preach my beliefs anywhere but on this board and usually only after someone else starts the thread or conversation. I don't want to know who if any gals in here had abortions. It's already done, nothing they or I can do about it but like it or not, I have to live with the fact that I couldn't look at them the same way again.
In regards to being young and stupid.... that is not a good excuse, I'm sorry. we are not talking about shoplifting here, were talking about Abortion, (see I am being tollerant and didn't use the word Murder), I have always felt that a person is responable for their actions regardless of their age. You see in the news how more and more children are being tried as adults for doing adult crimes as well it should be. Now we can get crazy here and blame their problems on their parents, video games, music and society as a whole for that matter but we all know from a young age that murder is wrong, Also, schools have health and sex programs these days that teach them about the birds and the bees and the present you get if you have unprotected sex. NOw if they decide to be absent that day, well ummm SORRY, your accountable for getting the lesson from a classmate. you hear what I'm saying? Look this isn't a perfect world and people aren't perfect and we all make mistakes. I just don't think abortion should be looked upon as just a mistake and a lesson to be learned. That is one very costly mistake for some poor human life.

 

[firestorm]

here is a thought,,, no abortion should be granted unless the individual is forced to go through a seminar on the abortion process with full color video as well as information of the alternatives of abortion.

 

[Rocco32]

I agree with you totally Fire. I'm not saying abortion is right and that people who do shouldn't feel bad. I guess what I'm trying to get across is I know several ladies who had abortions when they were in High School. So about 10 years ago. They are completely different people now then they were then and they are still horrified and guilt ridden over what they did. They now counsel pregnant teenagers and try to help stop others from doing what they did. I must admit, I respect them for turning their lives around and trying to make a difference now. Yes they are still accountable. Yes what they did was completely wrong. But also, yes, people can change and repent of what they've done. That's just my thoughts on it.

 

[LazyByNature]

Originally posted by firestorm
In the case of rape victims I condone abortion. No women should be expected to carry some rapist child.

Can someone please tell me the difference between a baby (fetus) concieved from consentual sex and one concieved from rape? Is there any physical difference? genetic? etc....

I have more respect for people who hold consistent beliefs. If a baby is a baby right after conception then its a baby, no matter how it was concieved. There are no exceptions. It seems that some people, who use the rape escape clause, use the anti-abortion stance to punish the women who are so stupid and slutty to get themselves knocked-up.

Personally, I believe that abortion should be legal until the age of viability, when the baby can survive outside the womb.

 

[mrguy]

I would fight for this country if it were to preserve it and not play some political shit like they are doing now.

Right now, we're fighting a politcal war because they don't want to upset the rest of world by really going to town.

Those people over there only respond to violence, so until we take off the gloves and level the shit out the place and any other country who wants to fuck with us, it will never end.

Strategic bombing is not going to do it.

I'm glad I'm no longer of drafting age!

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by rock4832
I agree with you totally Fire. I'm not saying abortion is right and that people who do shouldn't feel bad. I guess what I'm trying to get across is I know several ladies who had abortions when they were in High School. So about 10 years ago. They are completely different people now then they were then and they are still horrified and guilt ridden over what they did. They now counsel pregnant teenagers and try to help stop others from doing what they did. I must admit, I respect them for turning their lives around and trying to make a difference now. Yes they are still accountable. Yes what they did was completely wrong. But also, yes, people can change and repent of what they've done. That's just my thoughts on it.

Well they are good thoughts rock. At least they are giving back and trying to stop others from making the same mistakes.