Moderate Bulker for Fall/Winter

[SamboRambo]

Hello Gent's,

Trying to put the finishing touches on my upcoming bulk cycle. Let's start with the stats:

5'-11"
218 lbs
11% BF
31 years old
7 years training
5 previous cycles (4 bulking 1 cutting)
Diet is extremely clean - 7 meals/day Approximately 350 grams protein;350 grams carbs; 100 grams fat

Current regimen:
HRT under care of endocrinologist 200 mg test cyp/week
4 IU HGH (my personal addition)

Proposed cycle:
50 mg Dbol/day - weeks 1-6
750 mg sutanon/week weeks 1-15
600 mg eq/week weeks 1-15
400 mg masteron/week weeks 1-15
8 IU HGH/day weeks 1-20

No PCT since on HRT permanantly

Questions:

1. What is an effective starting dose of Arimidex to control bloat? I have always had trouble with bloat, even with clean diet. I wish to eliminate any unnecessary bloating for all future cycles. Have ample supply of Adex.
2. Thoughts on upping sustanon to 1,000mg/week and dropping the Masteron. I could use the Masteron in the spring for cutter with test and tren.

Thanks and looking forward to feedback. Getting pumped about this one!!!

SamboRambo

 

[nby]

1. Start at 0.5mg ED / 1mg EOD to double that if you still have too much bloat. I find aromasin to be better on the bloat section tho but as you already have the dex I'd just take it like this.

2. You could up to 1g at around week 8 to avoid stagnation. I'd also leave the mast out all together, see no use for it in a bulk.

 

[overburdened]

The mast will help keep the bloat down on the sust(without having to take as much AI.... AI will REALLY fuck up your bloodwork if ran too much), so, just something to think about as far as the mast... You could bump test to 1g/wk, and with mast in there you wouldn't need much in way of an AI still... you could probably get away with .5mg e3d adex.

also, aromasin is a better ai, especially if you are thinking long term... far fewer health risks than adex or letro... if you were to use asin instead, running 1g/wk of test, and mast, you could keep dose at 12.5mg ed and keep all the bloat down(unless there is some MAJOR factor other than e2 which is causing the bloat... we all get a little bloat...), you may want to bump the AI up a hair while running the dbol though...

I like the EQ in there, I think it should be a bit higher dosed, but it's an addition I'm sure you'll enjoy, when it starts kicking in!

So, the MAJOR question that remains is 'have you taken 8iu/day of hgh before? If so, can you handle the sides?' This would be the only other concern I see... I, for one, can't run hgh much over 6 or 7 TOPS, per day or I can't get my feet in my shoes, by hands hurt so bad I can't use them... and my nose gets REALLY big(this, I don't know why.. just noticed it one time when I was running 9iu/day.... I think I was on that dose for a good month(having to have my gf help me get dresses, cause I couldn't get my shoes on and shit like that... anyway, noticed it was HUGE one day, dropped the dose to 5iu, and never went that high again... the nose did lose size slowly, after dropping the dose...)

Also, I would recommend nolva in there to help with bloat too...

so this is what I would do with what you have listed there:

week 1-6
dbol 50mg ed
aromasin 25mg ed
nolva 10mg ed

week 1-15
1000mg sust(or whatever test you are wanting to take.. think sust is what you listed)/wk
800 mg EQ/week
400mg/week mast
drop aromasin to 12.5mg ed after dbol(I would check e2 at about this time, just to assess where you are with estrogen... you don't want it too low.. )
nolva 10mg ed
hgh(you can try 8iu.. see if it's right for you.. everyone is so different in how they react to hgh, and how much they can take before the sides get too bad... 5-6iu would work nearly as well, if you can't handle the full 8iu)

Good luck, hope that helps... You shouldn't have much, if any, bloat from that!

 

[SamboRambo]

Good feedback. Thank you for the replies gentlemen. I will take both recommendations into consideration and further evaluate.

 

[Tooreal11]

Agree with Overburdened regarding the EQ. 800mgs/weekly minimum.....or honestly just kick it. But for a bulk cycle will keep your appetite up which is pretty crucial. As far as the Mast, how is your hair line? Running that for 15 weeks I personally think is way to long. Also as added above, remember your receptors. After 8 weeks your going to have to increase your dosage to keep your gains. I run 8 week blasts and then cruise for 2-3 weeks then blast again. Generally majority of your gians are going to come within the first 8 weeks. So as said above increase your dosages at week 8 I would say on all your compounds or stop at 8 weeks give yourself 2 weeks for your receptors to come back running 250mgs/weekly of Test then hit it again for 8 weeks. Think you would get a bigger bang for your buck and see more results by splitting in two. I would bet you could keep your dosages the same and see great results on the second 8 weeks or just up your Test by 250mgs. Just think the 15 weeks is a waist of money. As for the GH have to agree with Overburdened, unless your getting some garbage generics you will have to work up to that. 4 to 8 is a big jump. I only use human grade GH and there is no way I would make a 4 IU jump. I wouldnt beable to clinch my fist together. Anyhow thats my two cents, dont know much about Arimdex never used it. Only used Aromasin and now Letro.

 

[SamboRambo]

All great feeback guys. Thank you nby, overburdened, and tooreal11.

I've never run gear in that high amount previously. Maybe time to reconsider and get that growth I'm hunting... Would like some feedback on this proposal, which incorporates a bit of all the feedback:

Weeks 1-6:
50mg dbol/day
875mg sust/week
700 mg eq/week
350 mg mast/week
8IU HGH
.5mg arimidex/day - may increase as needed

(this dosing regimen allows for easy measuring and injecting: 2.5cc gear EOD)

Weeks 7-8:
875mg sust/week
700 mg eq/week
350 mg mast/week
8IU HGH
.5mg arimidex/day

Weeks 9-15: Check for stagnation and evaluate possibly upping to the following
1,000mg sust/week
800mg eq/week
400mg mast/week
8IU HGH (continue to week 20 then drop back to 4IU)


My HGH is Somatropin. I have run as high as 6IU on last bulking cycle, and did experience the numb hands and swollen feet. It did go away after about 6 weeks. I expect the same for this - uncomfortable at beginning but manageable. It looks like that aromasin is the preferred for AI. I'll have to get on board with that for next cycle. I jumped the gun and already have the Arimidex on hand. What exactly would Arimidex be most useful for if using Aromasin for AI? Do i just need to trash it?

Hairline is a work in progress, and has suffered damage from genetics and previous hrt. Just had my second FUT done two weeks ago - thankfully the transplanted follicles are not susceptible to dht damage. Already back in the gym grinding it out - planning to start this bulker 10/14. Since I am still new to the whole AI usage is it suggested that i begin the .5mg/day of Arimidex at first injection, or start a week or so prior? Seems that i have seen both methods on other boards.

Thanks again guys,

SamboRambo

 

[Tooreal11]

Hey Sambo,

Everything looks good brother. Would like to make a some suggestions though. I know it doesnt sound like it would make much of a difference but it will, bump your EQ up to 800mgs for your first 8 weeks. Your merely 100mgs/weekly away from a perfect dose of EQ. I would also bring your dose up to 400mgs/weekly on the Masteron. 4-500mgs/weekly is the ideal dose, trust me I have years of experience with Masteron. Also, if your are prone to hair loss DO NOT TAKE MAST FOR 16 weeks man!! Im telling you do not run Mast that long. I would suggest running your Masteron your last 8 weeks of the cycle. Spend the front end putting on your size and then lean out towards the end. Remember Masteron interacts with the aromatase enzymes to inhibit aromatization of other steroids into estrogen, and may additionally interact with estrogen (blocker) at the receptor site. So you will beable to reduce your Arimidex your last 8 weeks as well. Arimidex will work fine, no way throw it away but, in the future think you will like Aromasin much more. You start getting high into the gram world of Test, may take a look at Letro. What I currently run. Also if your going to bump to 8 iu's your going to need to keep it there for a while to really show the benefits, as you know its slow acting even when you have been on and increasing the dosage. Should track down some Ansomone, love it, love it, love it. I was on Eli Lilly from my Dr. perscribed over a year back and switched to Ansomone and havent skipped a beat. Check some of the sites and you should beable to track some down. Anyhow, regardless you look like you have it together minus the 16 weeks of Masteron!! Dont run it that long seriously.

 

[overburdened]

All great feeback guys. Thank you nby, overburdened, and tooreal11.

I've never run gear in that high amount previously. Maybe time to reconsider and get that growth I'm hunting... Would like some feedback on this proposal, which incorporates a bit of all the feedback:

Weeks 1-6:
50mg dbol/day
875mg sust/week
700 mg eq/week
350 mg mast/week
8IU HGH
.5mg arimidex/day - may increase as needed

(this dosing regimen allows for easy measuring and injecting: 2.5cc gear EOD)

Weeks 7-8:
875mg sust/week
700 mg eq/week
350 mg mast/week
8IU HGH
.5mg arimidex/day

Weeks 9-15: Check for stagnation and evaluate possibly upping to the following
1,000mg sust/week
800mg eq/week
400mg mast/week
8IU HGH (continue to week 20 then drop back to 4IU)


My HGH is Somatropin. I have run as high as 6IU on last bulking cycle, and did experience the numb hands and swollen feet. It did go away after about 6 weeks. I expect the same for this - uncomfortable at beginning but manageable. It looks like that aromasin is the preferred for AI. I'll have to get on board with that for next cycle. I jumped the gun and already have the Arimidex on hand. What exactly would Arimidex be most useful for if using Aromasin for AI? Do i just need to trash it?

Hairline is a work in progress, and has suffered damage from genetics and previous hrt. Just had my second FUT done two weeks ago - thankfully the transplanted follicles are not susceptible to dht damage. Already back in the gym grinding it out - planning to start this bulker 10/14. Since I am still new to the whole AI usage is it suggested that i begin the .5mg/day of Arimidex at first injection, or start a week or so prior? Seems that i have seen both methods on other boards.

Thanks again guys,

SamboRambo

Your cycle, in general, looks much better now... However, if it were me doing it, I would use aromasin(it costs a little more but is well worth it!!! if you need a good place to get it from , PM me...) the aromasin has FAR fewer sides(and also has some nice interesting aspects to it as well)... it won't even come close to ruining your lipids like arimidex will... It's just better, all the way around....

That, and I would drop the dose of hgh to 6iu ed(you may notice worse sides this time due to running this pretty hefty cycle with it!)... If it's good after 2 weeks at 6iu, then by all means do 8iu...

Other than that looks pretty good