Not that I've ever touched them, but if you're willing to take that step and the risks involved, you should get the real stuff. And legal/illegal isn't a valid argument.
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Not that I've ever touched them, but if you're willing to take that step and the risks involved, you should get the real stuff. And legal/illegal isn't a valid argument.
Thats all very interesting, damn. I have some more time before I would ever attempt anything b/c I have only been at this game about 2 years or so. Still young and they say the levels of test are already through the roof so I'll save some $$ for now lol. So watch out Mon...I'm comin after you in a few years lol...mybe I'll be able to put up some of your numbers by then lol.
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Yea, I dont plan to run for a few years, maybe mid to late 20's. But it never hurts to read up.
Yea, thats true. Some people like to say that thy are 100% legal though, or others have a hard time finding a source. Its also a lot of work to figure out dosing, and what to do right(maybe this is because I want it to be perfect).
Saturday Fever said:
Not that I've ever touched them, but if you're willing to take that step and the risks involved, you should get the real stuff. And legal/illegal isn't a valid argument.
Yea, thats true. Some people like to say that thy are 100% legal though, or others have a hard time finding a source. Its also a lot of work to figure out dosing, and what to do right(maybe this is because I want it to be perfect).
Gawd damn. This discussion on M1t is full of inaccuracies. I don't even know where to begin. All I can say is you all really need to do more research. It's not my job to educate your asses 
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Ok, a few points... M1t is a steroid. Legal or not, your body doesn't know the difference. It has it's attributes... and it's side effects. It is a 17aa oral steroid just like Anadrol, Dianabol, Winstrol, etc. All of these steroids can shut you down hard, and have their own unique benefits... and downside.
.Ok, a few points... M1t is a steroid. Legal or not, your body doesn't know the difference. It has it's attributes... and it's side effects. It is a 17aa oral steroid just like Anadrol, Dianabol, Winstrol, etc. All of these steroids can shut you down hard, and have their own unique benefits... and downside.
When you supply an external source of hormones, even synthetic testosterone, it will cause the body to limit, or even cease natural production. The fact M1t causes you to 'shut down' so quickly just proves its effectiveness as a male hormone.
4AD converts to testosterone in the body, and aromatizes to estrogen. Hence the reason it lessens the M1t sides.
As discussed previously, M1t does not raise your test levels, it annihilates them. The high level of circulating hormone will cause the body to raise estrogen levels to maintain a certain ratio. As true with most steroids, once off, hormone levels will drop, yet estrogen will remain high. Using Nolvadex effectively keeps estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptors in breast tissue, therefore keeping gyno at bay. It does NOT reduce circulating estrogen in the body. A aromatase inhibitor like arimidex or letro, does keep estrogen levels low, but should only be used on cycle.
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DeadBolt: Hey man, thanks for the posts, really appreciate it. I think that my strength has been really really climbing lately. And honestly I can attribute a lot of it to my diet. I have never really eaten whenever I am hungry the way that I am now. For whatever reason, I guess fear of getting fat, I always took it kind of easy on my food. If it was kind of late at night I would be careful not to eat too much, etc. Lately whenever I even get slightly hungry I slam down a good sized clean meal. Like a whole-wheat tuna sandwich and some fruit, or an MRP, or a protein bar. Just a meal with 30g+ of protein. So I think this is really directly transferring over to the gym. At least IMO it has been. M1T combined with increased calories/protein has been working wonders.
SF: Hey man, thanks for all of the posts, appreciate it. Nice to hear that you think my workouts are looking good, because I have been thinking the same thing for the most part. I really like M1T, and I am going to be sticking to that in the future whenever I want to do any kind of cycle. I know that you're currently "on" but I personally am honestly scared to death of needles, etc. So the only kind of PH/PS cycle that I am ever going to be doing is either going to be topical or oral. I cannot even slightly see myself injecting anything. Thanks again for the explanations, etc.
And I really look forward to your training advice, please offer it whenever you feel applicable. BTW, man, I am thinking about some power cleans tomorrow in my lower body session. Any ideas for how to incorporate them? Do them first?
PreMier: Hey man, thanks for all of the posts, appreciate it. I too have never ever heard of any kind of foggy mindedness except from M1T. If you look at M1T reviews lethargy and a few others are in 90% of the reviews. That's why I always have a tough time comparing M1T to a typical anabolic. Maybe because everyone I know that has done a full anabolic cycle has felt better than ever, and gained ridiculous amounts of size/strength. But then again, who knows. For whatever reason just based on my experience M1T seems a lot more like S1+, than a regular full blown anabolic. Again, I am not trying to deny that M1T is a PS, I am just saying based on my experience thus far. My strength gains have been pretty damn good, however. And according to most of the reviews the real gains didn't come until after 14 days. So this next 2 weeks should be pretty damn exciting. I really want to change all 3 lifts in my signature. In other words new PR's in bench/squat/deadlift. We'll see what happens.
JerseyDevil: Hey man, thanks for stopping by and clearing a few things up. I honestly am pretty clueless in terms of exactly how PH's and PS's work, so I really learned a lot from these past 10 posts or so.
SF: Hey man, thanks for all of the posts, appreciate it. Nice to hear that you think my workouts are looking good, because I have been thinking the same thing for the most part. I really like M1T, and I am going to be sticking to that in the future whenever I want to do any kind of cycle. I know that you're currently "on" but I personally am honestly scared to death of needles, etc. So the only kind of PH/PS cycle that I am ever going to be doing is either going to be topical or oral. I cannot even slightly see myself injecting anything. Thanks again for the explanations, etc.
Eh, I don't know about this. I trust a legal product from 1Fast400 a lot more than I would trust a 'source' for an illegal anabolic. But that's just me.
And I really look forward to your training advice, please offer it whenever you feel applicable. BTW, man, I am thinking about some power cleans tomorrow in my lower body session. Any ideas for how to incorporate them? Do them first?
PreMier: Hey man, thanks for all of the posts, appreciate it. I too have never ever heard of any kind of foggy mindedness except from M1T. If you look at M1T reviews lethargy and a few others are in 90% of the reviews. That's why I always have a tough time comparing M1T to a typical anabolic. Maybe because everyone I know that has done a full anabolic cycle has felt better than ever, and gained ridiculous amounts of size/strength. But then again, who knows. For whatever reason just based on my experience M1T seems a lot more like S1+, than a regular full blown anabolic. Again, I am not trying to deny that M1T is a PS, I am just saying based on my experience thus far. My strength gains have been pretty damn good, however. And according to most of the reviews the real gains didn't come until after 14 days. So this next 2 weeks should be pretty damn exciting. I really want to change all 3 lifts in my signature. In other words new PR's in bench/squat/deadlift. We'll see what happens.
JerseyDevil: Hey man, thanks for stopping by and clearing a few things up. I honestly am pretty clueless in terms of exactly how PH's and PS's work, so I really learned a lot from these past 10 posts or so.
Just a little curious about something here.
If the chemical structure of M1T is 17aa-1-testosterone and the chemical structure of dbol is 17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadien-3-one how can you say M1T is a 17aa just like the real steroids listed above? NONE of the above listed steroids are 17aa anything.
Calling M1T a "real steroid" is falling into the marketing department's hands, and proves just how gullible people can be. Team that with these basement prices on bottles of the stuff and you have just been owned by the supplement industry.
JerseyDevil said:
If the chemical structure of M1T is 17aa-1-testosterone and the chemical structure of dbol is 17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadien-3-one how can you say M1T is a 17aa just like the real steroids listed above? NONE of the above listed steroids are 17aa anything.
Calling M1T a "real steroid" is falling into the marketing department's hands, and proves just how gullible people can be. Team that with these basement prices on bottles of the stuff and you have just been owned by the supplement industry.
The correct designation for M1t is 17-alpha-methyl-17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one. (http://www.physicalenhancement.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=769). And dianabol is 17-alpha-methyl-17beta-hydroxil-androsta-1.4dien-3-on.Saturday Fever said:
From steroid profiles on Anabolic Review. "Since Dianabol is 17-alpha alkylated it causes a considerable strain on the liver. In high dosages and over a longer period of time, Dianabol is liver toxic. Even a dosage of only 10 mg/day can increase the liver values; after discontinuance of the drug, however, the values return to normal." (http://www.steroid.com/55.php).
On Anadrol they say "Anadrol is unfortunately also the most harmful oral steroid. Its intake can cause many considerable side effects. Since it is 17-alpha alkylated it is very liver toxic. Most users can expect certain pathological changes in their liver values after approximately one week." (http://www.steroid.com/11.php)
Then finally Winstrol "Since the (Winstrol) tablets are 17-alpha alkylated it is extremely unlikely that during the first pass in the liver a part of the substance will be deactivated, so we can exclude this possibility. (http://www.steroid.com/88.php)
So as you can see, dbol, drol, and winny are all 17aa steroids... just like M1t. SF, I have tried M1t, and also test enanthate, test prop, and winstrol. Take my word for it. At least for me, M1t was very effective.
If m1t isn't a steroid, then what is it? For your body to shut down its own natural testosterone production, there MUST be male hormone circulating in the body. The fact M1t does shut down test production so quickly just proves it works. It also causes rapid weight gain, pretty decent strength gain, a lot like dbol and anadrol. BTW, the comment made about real steroids not making you tired? A common side of anadrol is being tired, feeling crappy, and lack of appetite... much like m1t.
I don't know why m1t is so cheap, but my guess it's more the fact that anything black market, like illegal steroids, is going to be expensive. Once prohormones are banned, I bet the price of m1t will skyrocket.
I'm not trying to be the spokesperson for m1t. In fact, I have about 70 10mg tabs I may never use. I feel injectable test, tren, and eq are much safer, and in the long run provide better results. Anadrol, M1t, and dbol are all hard on your liver, and if not stacked with test or tren, their rapid gains usually disappear almost as fast once off cycle.
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Not sure if you have already mentioned it or not, but which brand of M1t are you using?
When does everyone honestly believe this will happen, within the next year or 2 or sooner?JerseyDevil said:
SF: I completely agree with what you're saying about M1T bro, completely. I am not sure if there is anyway to actually prove it, but I know exactly where you're coming from and I agree. If you honestly look at the reviews though a few guys who have actually done regular anabolics (Winstrol, Deca, Dbol, etc.) say that M1T is nowhere even in the same category. But it is classified as a PS, so I am not going to bother arguing. I like the results that I am getting from it, and that's all the matters.
JerseyDevil: Thanks for all of the useful info man, I appreciate it. I honestly am not sure what to think of M1T. I do notice that I get tired on it, that's for sure. But at the same time, honestly, I am not really all that sure that it's the most effective stuff in the world. I mean I have been eating a ton and I have not necessarily blown up like many seem to say they have in the M1T reviews. So I am undecided as to exactly how I feel. Then again I have 2 weeks left on it, so I'll make my final judgement at that point.
Riverdragon: Its just Underground Labs bro, found on 1Fast400.com.
DeadBolt: Hard to say man, IMO. It has been talked about for the longest time. I think that eventually it will happen, but I don't think there is a specific date. Just like with ephedrine---eventually it will be banned. Still available, but banned.
PreMier: I am confused too man, so you're not the only one. But it doesn't matter because my journal is NOT a thread on M1T, lol.
JerseyDevil: Thanks for all of the useful info man, I appreciate it. I honestly am not sure what to think of M1T. I do notice that I get tired on it, that's for sure. But at the same time, honestly, I am not really all that sure that it's the most effective stuff in the world. I mean I have been eating a ton and I have not necessarily blown up like many seem to say they have in the M1T reviews. So I am undecided as to exactly how I feel. Then again I have 2 weeks left on it, so I'll make my final judgement at that point.
Riverdragon: Its just Underground Labs bro, found on 1Fast400.com.
DeadBolt: Hard to say man, IMO. It has been talked about for the longest time. I think that eventually it will happen, but I don't think there is a specific date. Just like with ephedrine---eventually it will be banned. Still available, but banned.
PreMier: I am confused too man, so you're not the only one. But it doesn't matter because my journal is NOT a thread on M1T, lol.
9-4-2004
Lower Body
Power Cleans:
185 x 3
225 x 3 (2)
245 x 2 (2)
SLDL:
405 x 3
455 x 3
475 x 2 (2)
405 x 6
Nautilus Lying Leg Curls:
180 x 12 (2)
Cable Pulldowns:
215 x 8 (2)
Good workout today I think, whatever. Not as intense as I maybe would have liked. Started off today with some power cleans that beat my friggin' a*s. Really havn't done them in like 4 years, since highschool. Worked up to 245 for 2 doubles, really good. I totally forgot how much technique was involved in power cleans. Really good exercise though. Didn't go over 245 because I kept my form perfect. Moved onto some heavy SLDL. Really great form there too. Hit up some lying leg curls and some pulldowns afterwards, good sets I think. Decent workout.
Diet:
- scrambled eggs, 3 pieces of multi-grain toast
- Gatorade + V-12 during workout
- whey protein postworkout
- BigWhey bar
- whole-wheat tuna & cheese sandwich
- 2 honey glazed chicken breasts, fruit popsicle
- low-carb peanut butter sandwich
Diet was okay today I guess. Had a fruit popsicle that was damn good. Didn't eat too much that was all that bad. My appetite was definitely a bit lower today than it was yesterday. Whatever. I am going to weigh myself tomorrow. Expecting 227-229 since I have been eating a lot more.
Sleep: 8 hours.
Today is day 14 of M1T, still taking 15mg per day.
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But...but...but...
The only reason I wanna get big and strong is so you'll like me.
The only reason I wanna get big and strong is so you'll like me.
Lookin solid bro....those are some insane lifts lol. It kinda puts my lifts I am going to post to shame lol....my itty bitty 135x10 for SLDL's lol. Diet is keepin up with those lifts to man keep at it.
Just a question, cable pull downs...what are those and how do they work the lower body?
Just a question, cable pull downs...what are those and how do they work the lower body?
Mike this will be my last post, cuz it is your thread!
I am no expert, or guru, but like you guys, I was interested in trying PHs/PSs. I have since tried the 'real deal' and I read all I could, and while it IS extremely confusing, I have a pretty good grasp on it.
I saw several inaccuracies in the previous posts, and just wanted to give you guys the up and up. But obviously I stepped on some toes, so to each their own.
Peace.
I am no expert, or guru, but like you guys, I was interested in trying PHs/PSs. I have since tried the 'real deal' and I read all I could, and while it IS extremely confusing, I have a pretty good grasp on it.
I saw several inaccuracies in the previous posts, and just wanted to give you guys the up and up. But obviously I stepped on some toes, so to each their own.
Peace.
Check your PMPreMier said:Goddamnit JD, answer my question!
Your posts were quite helpful and informative. I for one learned a few things
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Jen: Hey there, thanks for stopping by. Yeah I decided to change things up today and do some power cleans. I really like them a lot. I was going to try 265-275 for a single. But I a don't want to miss it and make an a*s of myself, power cleans look really bad when you don't complete the rep. Can be very dangerous as well. But anyway, yeah I really don't like all this horomone talk either, lol.
SF: LOL.
DeadBolt: Hey man, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate the support. Cable pulldowns look like this:
However, I did them with a parallel-grip, in other words my palms were facing each other. They're for your lats, not your lower body. If you didn't notice I train lats/biceps with my lower body.
JerseyDevil: It's not a problem bro, I know that you were just trying to help out, and that you were. I just hope that you can realize that this is still my journal, not just a random thread. So try and at least keep the posts in here in reference to my journal. It's just that I see so many journals that get filled with all kinds of random posts that are not at all relevant.
PreMier: My power cleans are nothing at all to brag about bro, lol. Nothing at all to brag about, I am going to try and start doing them a little more often, though.
SF: LOL.
DeadBolt: Hey man, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate the support. Cable pulldowns look like this:
However, I did them with a parallel-grip, in other words my palms were facing each other. They're for your lats, not your lower body. If you didn't notice I train lats/biceps with my lower body.
JerseyDevil: It's not a problem bro, I know that you were just trying to help out, and that you were. I just hope that you can realize that this is still my journal, not just a random thread. So try and at least keep the posts in here in reference to my journal. It's just that I see so many journals that get filled with all kinds of random posts that are not at all relevant.
PreMier: My power cleans are nothing at all to brag about bro, lol. Nothing at all to brag about, I am going to try and start doing them a little more often, though.
Thats my fav back exercise!!! I dont know what the name of the bar is, but your palms are facing inwards, right. (long bar, handle on each side-not the bar that girl is using in the pic though) Lighter weight and I really squeeze my back. Ahhhhhh I just love training back! Im getting excited just thinking about it!
Consider it done. Please realize though, I wasn't the one who started the hormone talk.MonStar said:
Your SLDLs are incredible
. Nice job.
I don't feel my toes were stepped on. There are no hard feelings here at all. Healthy debate is just that. Healthy.
How's the back feeling Mike?
How's the back feeling Mike?
Jill: Hey there, yeah I absolutely love pulldowns. I love all back exercises though, to be completely honest. Pulldowns, pullovers, rows, etc. I am in love with training my back, haha, I have no idea why.
JerseyDevil: It's okay man, it doesn't matter to me who started it, lol. Like SF said it was all with good intentions. Anyway, yeah I was pretty happy with my SLDL strength. Even though I didn't go crazy heavy with them my form was excellent. Didn't really bend my knees at all. So I was pulling with my lower back and hamstrings exclusively.
Monolith: C'mon man, she isn't even cute, lol.
SF: Agreed, I don't feel any toes were stepped on either. Anyway, my back is feeling pretty good. Not too sore at all from the SLDL. What is sore is my mid-trap area actually, from the power cleans I think. They always give me a new soreness that I never get from any other exercise. Who knows.
JerseyDevil: It's okay man, it doesn't matter to me who started it, lol. Like SF said it was all with good intentions. Anyway, yeah I was pretty happy with my SLDL strength. Even though I didn't go crazy heavy with them my form was excellent. Didn't really bend my knees at all. So I was pulling with my lower back and hamstrings exclusively.
Monolith: C'mon man, she isn't even cute, lol.
SF: Agreed, I don't feel any toes were stepped on either. Anyway, my back is feeling pretty good. Not too sore at all from the SLDL. What is sore is my mid-trap area actually, from the power cleans I think. They always give me a new soreness that I never get from any other exercise. Who knows.
Looking good Mike... but you look like you just lost your best friend.
MonStar said:Random pic here today, just because I was feeling kind of flabby. But honestly in this pic I don't look all that flabby. Must be all in my head.
Lookin' good if you ask me! 
