More on "Hanoi John"

[Rich46yo]

http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-24.html and concerning his first "purple heart".... http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/article.php?story=20040824130358175

Also young "Hanoi John" the writer http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-22.html

 

[Stickboy]

Pretty much sums up what I feel about the man.

Here's some other interesting "stuff":

http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2004_08_22_nooilforpacifists_archive.html

I saw the video today of Kerry calling for Bush to end the "negative" stuff. Absolutely amazing. What about Kerry calling off organizations such as move on, and the others? He's not bitching about that, now is he?

FACT: The Dems have spent $62 million of "soft money" on ad's. The GOP has spent $2 million. Anyone else think their view of "fair" is slanted?

 

[BoneCrusher]

$62 million and they still can't katchup. Sorry ... had to do that. Kerry is a dork ... we all know this. I really doubt that the dems think he is a morally fit person to lead a country. I know I don't. It will be rather hectic when all the voter fraud disguised as an election begins.

I will still vote against Bush ... he has pised me off tooooo much.

 

[Stickboy]

Ah, part of the "Anyone but Bush" crowd, eh?

I don't understand that thought pattern. 'Kerry sucks, but I hate Bush, so I'll vote for Kerry'.

Perhaps you should look at it like this: Who lets me keep more of MY money in MY pocket? Hmmm, we have a guy that IS for tax cuts, and a guy that wants to RAISE them, deplete our military and intel agencies.

Pick wisely, my friend. That kind of thinking gets us all in deep shit.

 

[kvyd]

If I could vote I would not vote for any of this years candidates. I beleive neither of the two is a good choice.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I don't understand that thought pattern. 'Kerry sucks, but I hate Bush, so I'll vote for Kerry'.

It is quite an easy thought pattern to understand. Think of it in terms of sports. You draft a guy, he is great the 1st year, he sucks shit for the next 3 years. Send his ass packing and let's give someone else a try at the big leagues.

 

[Luke9583]

$62 million and they still can't katchup. Sorry ... had to do that. Kerry is a dork ... we all know this. I really doubt that the dems think he is a morally fit person to lead a country. I know I don't. It will be rather hectic when all the voter fraud disguised as an election begins.

I will still vote against Bush ... he has pised me off tooooo much.

I'm with you.

And I wont read anything that has to do with Letson, since he admitted he only heard "third hand" and now the people he claims to have been informed by say they never talked to him . What a joke.

Pick wisely, my friend. That kind of thinking gets us all in deep shit.

I like how your posts and your name "rebel without a clue" contradict themselves. Are you asking us to beleive that you are picking "WISELY"?


Our choices suck. Anybody but Bush for me though

 

[pmech]

Prolly before alot of your peoples times, but, I vote for "none of the above"

 

[BoneCrusher]

You're ringing bells in the back of my brain ...

 

[kbm8795]

Ah, part of the "Anyone but Bush" crowd, eh?

I don't understand that thought pattern. 'Kerry sucks, but I hate Bush, so I'll vote for Kerry'.

Perhaps you should look at it like this: Who lets me keep more of MY money in MY pocket? Hmmm, we have a guy that IS for tax cuts, and a guy that wants to RAISE them, deplete our military and intel agencies.

Pick wisely, my friend. That kind of thinking gets us all in deep shit.

Well, if The Party had thought of running some presidential primaries, there might have been some other choices. But since Bush is the best ya'll could do, and he's supported by the evangelically correct, he's managed to consistently alienate more than half the country.

 

[Stickboy]

I like how your posts and your name "rebel without a clue" contradict themselves. Are you asking us to beleive that you are picking "WISELY"?

Ah, yeah the "rebel without a clue" is a line from from a song of one of my favorite groups (The Replacements) . It has nothing to do with my thought pattern.

 

[Stickboy]

Well, if The Party had thought of running some presidential primaries, there might have been some other choices. But since Bush is the best ya'll could do, and he's supported by the evangelically correct, he's managed to consistently alienate more than half the country.

Um, how exactly is he alienating more than half the country, since you evidently are speaking for them?

 

[BoneCrusher]

This is a thread about the Vietnam war era as it relates to Kerry. I???ll say this again for the cheaps seats ??? I don???t like Kerry. I will vote against Bush. I???m not going to throw my vote away by giving it to a third party so it will go to someone I do not like ??? Kerry.

These are a few links that should add some clarity to why the Bush people need to stfu about Vietnam and get onto a REAL issue.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/02/02_400.html Military chronology

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp Comparison of Military records

There are other threads to address the real issues and I will be there. I am not trying to imply that these links have any bearing on this country now or that these links are a reason to vote for anyone. Anyone that does is NOT a true American and is trying to cloud more important issues that affect us TODAY. If you want me to vote for Bush becouse of Kerry's war record then you are an amoral asshole.

 

[Stickboy]

Wait a minute. Why is Vietnam even an issue? Because Kerry keeps bringing it up. Nevermind the fact that he's embelished on what happened, ALOT. He's bringing it, it's a fair target considering he's been lying about certain things.

As a matter of fact, what are his plans? He tells us how great they are, but never with any kind of information about them. Where's he going to get the money to do everything he's saying he will do? Easy. Out of YOUR pocket. How so? Taxes.

 

[Luke9583]

Um, how exactly is he alienating more than half the country, since you evidently are speaking for them?

The polls seem to support that But I dont bother looking at those anyway.

Taxes.

That's your argument in every post, I swear. lmao


BTW; I wouldn't mind being taxed, if I saw the economy picking up. I can't see that happening under another Bush term.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Wait a minute. Why is Vietnam even an issue? Because Kerry keeps bringing it up. Nevermind the fact that he's embelished on what happened, ALOT. He's bringing it, it's a fair target considering he's been lying about certain things.

As a matter of fact, what are his plans? He tells us how great they are, but never with any kind of information about them. Where's he going to get the money to do everything he's saying he will do? Easy. Out of YOUR pocket. How so? Taxes.

Sorry Stick ... you loose on this one. The only press I see about swift boats, nam, or service records is coming from the right.

Again ... I'll see you on other threads and kick around the REAL issues. This particular thread is not worthy of discussing real issues.

 

[maniclion]

As a matter of fact, what are his plans? He tells us how great they are, but never with any kind of information about them. Where's he going to get the money to do everything he's saying he will do? Easy. Out of YOUR pocket. How so? Taxes.

The most patriotic thing to do is pay your taxes. I pay mine in full every year and I don't search around for way's to "cheat" with loopholes and shelters even though I would have plenty. So instead of spending hundreds of dollars decorating everything you own with those Made in China Star-Spangled Banners and little yellow ribbon stickers pay your fucking dues and shut the fuck up. If you don't like how it's spent go through the proper channels cause ranting about it to other citizens is useless.

 

[Stickboy]

WTF? What makes you think I don't pay my taxes?

FACT: 5% of the US population pays 75% or so of the taxes.

How is that fair?

Why is someone taxed at 38% when others are taxed at 28%?

I urge everyone to pay their taxes. I don't see equal treatment by someone making more money paying a higher percentage. Perhaps you'll explain how this is fair?

 

[Stickboy]

The polls seem to support that But I dont bother looking at those anyway.

Um, if you don't bother looking at them, you wouldn't know what they say.....
would you?

That's your argument in every post, I swear. lmao

False. I've repeatedly stated that Kerry (IMHO) is a lying, immoral, piece of shit. However, his voting record on tax increases and tax cuts should give anyone pause.

BTW; I wouldn't mind being taxed, if I saw the economy picking up. I can't see that happening under another Bush term.

Bullshit. The economy is picking up. Are you saying that you like paying taxes?

 

[maniclion]

First off those rich folks who pay alot of taxes won't be missing a meal because of it. Sadly if certain folks had to pay higher taxes their quality of life would diminish.

Wait before you say it let me address your statement: Well they should get a better job!

And who pays these people for their better jobs? Is it rich people. Yes, so they just endup paying taxes one way or another. Directly or indirectly. At least this way they can wiggle their way through loopholes to get the cost down. The other way theres no chance in hell a regular Joe will overlook getting stiffed a few hundred here or there.

If the poor have to get better higher paying jobs or work more than one joob to afford taxes and supporting their family that will mean less time spent with the kids teaching them right from wrong. Crime rates will go up, or else the education system will have to get more money to act as babysitter, wheres the savings there?

 

[Stickboy]

Sorry Stick ... you loose on this one. The only press I see about swift boats, nam, or service records is coming from the right.

I never said the swiftboat attacks were not coming from the right. It's 527 monies paying for it. I'm saying org's like Move On are doing the same thing for the other side. For Kerry to cry about one, but not the others is hypocritical.

How many times has Kerry mentioned his Vietnam service in public? (speeches, ads, etc.). Why, gosh, almost everytime he's doing one.[/QUOTE]

 

[Stickboy]

First off those rich folks who pay alot of taxes won't be missing a meal because of it. Sadly if certain folks had to pay higher taxes their quality of life would diminish.

So, you believe it is fair to tax rich people at damn near 50% simply because they have a higher paying job? Why not have rich people pay 38% more for their meal at a resturant than you do?

Wait before you say it let me address your statement: Well they should get a better job!

I never said, or implied such a thing. Don't put words into my mouth.

Actually, I would say something more like, why not tax everyone at the same rate? 15% across the board, no loopholes, shelters, etc. You make this much, we take 15% of it, PERIOD.

If the poor have to get better higher paying jobs or work more than one joob to afford taxes and supporting their family that will mean less time spent with the kids teaching them right from wrong. Crime rates will go up, or else the education system will have to get more money to act as babysitter, wheres the savings there?

I never said tax the poor to death, I said why not tax everyone at the same rate. Most people are not raising their kids anyway. Day care is. Crime rates are UP and the public schools ARE acting like babysitters.

Perhaps the better solution is to keep one of the parents in the house (ie, non working) to supervise and raise the children properly?

 

[kbm8795]

What he meant was "Burn the poor for fuel"

 

[BoneCrusher]

Bullshit. The economy is picking up. Are you saying that you like paying taxes?

The economy is not keeping up with inflation. Average income levels have droped. So when is this pick up going to show up bro?

 

[kbm8795]

Um, how exactly is he alienating more than half the country, since you evidently are speaking for them?[/QUOTEI

One needs only to look at his approval ratings from the beginning of his presidency to get a beginning notion of his popularity. Besides the obvious problems with the economy, the increasing number of bankrupcies attributed to inability to pay medical costs, paying out taxpayer money to evangelical religious organizations, circumventing the democratic process to appoint recess judges, alienating senior citizens with a confusing prescription scheme, endorsing a radical religious viewpoint to amend the constitution on just about every possible biblical theme are just a few of the items we could start with here....

Then of course, we have the "Patriot" Act, a Party platform demanding a Constitutional Amendment banning all abortions (how many amendments do you think the Party needs to destroy the document?) support for a "national hymn," flipflopping on the gay relationships issues to kiss evangelical butts while embarassing his own vice presidents family, attempts to revise research from the National Science Foundation to reflect political viewpoints, deliberate fudging of his own military record on a publicly funded information site, a reputation for holding very few press conferences, lots of secret meetings, purging even low level government employees who aren't toeing the Party line, and we can go on from there, too.

At this point, he's alienated a good portion of his own party. It will be very surprising if he manages any endorsement from the national gay Republican group, especially after the Party announced it's platform. Despite scheduling Arnie and Rudy to appear as moderates in primetime television at the convention, the Prez is gonna get to defend a Party platform that is even more to the Right than his divisive policies over the last two years. As one leader of the Traditional Values Coalition (I love those names - that pretense to moral superiority so easily attained by reading bible verses that don't apply to their own behavior)....those who don't agree completely with the official Party platform are RINOs....Republicans in Name Only.

A political party is always in trouble, along with their candidate, when early on in an election year even small workers and officials become uncomfortable with the tone of the campaign. When precinct committeepersons start writing letters to the editor about the direction of their political party, trouble is brewing. You can thank Karl Rove for that . . .though I'm beginning to think, in my most generous manner possible to Mr. Bush, that perhaps he's deliberately trying to lose the election to save the country from his own Party's theological makeover.

Another clue is when supporters of the President are so defensive that they refuse to admit even the slightest possibility of human frailty, preferring to elevate and devote themselves to the Man as if he is, in the words of Tom DeLay, appointed by God.

Americans can be naive, but they get a bit nervous when it starts to sound like a vote for Bush is a vote for Rev. Moon. . .who, as Rich would be pleased to note, truly believes he is the Second Coming of Christ.

 

[Luke9583]

WTF? What makes you think I don't pay my taxes?

FACT: 5% of the US population pays 75% or so of the taxes.

How is that fair?

Why is someone taxed at 38% when others are taxed at 28%?

I urge everyone to pay their taxes. I don't see equal treatment by someone making more money paying a higher percentage. Perhaps you'll explain how this is fair?

Because it's called income tax dumb ass

False. I've repeatedly stated that Kerry (IMHO) is a lying, immoral, piece of shit. However, his voting record on tax increases and tax cuts should give anyone pause.

An opinion is not an argument What kindergarden are you attending?

The economy is not keeping up with inflation. Average income levels have droped. So when is this pick up going to show up bro?

Probably when

• Bush has gathered enough oil
• Cheney's company has scammed us enough
• and there are no terrorists left in the world

That should happen so, at this rate


W' 04

 

[Dale Mabry]

I am for a flat tax, but that would lead to higher taxes in other areas such as sales tax. Rich people buy more shit, so they would end up paying more taxes anyway. WHile I agree with a flat tax, it is not feasible. I can't remember, but I believe some retarded statistic like 5% of the population makes 40% of the income. If you did this, we would sink very fast. Plus, regardless of whether you are GOP or Dem, where do you think politicians salaries come from? If the money collected from taxes drops, so would a politicians salary. You will never see this happen.

 

[Big Smoothy]

If you are referring to John Kerry as "Hanoi John," think about it this way for a minute.

Baby Bush was dodging the draft. Kerry was actually fighting and putting his life on the line.

 

[BoneCrusher]

John Kerry's Military Records​

Military Service Awards [pdf: 1.3MB]
This file contains documents on the awarding of John Kerry's military service awards: 3 Purple Hearts, 1 Bronze Star, and 1 Silver Star.

Acceptance of Discharge Naval Reserve [pdf: 101kb]

Background Information [pdf: 354kb]

Bronze Star [pdf: 301kb]

Bupers Orders To Gridley [pdf: 109kb]

Change of Duty [pdf: 507kb]

DD214 [pdf: 361kb]

DD215 (correction to DD214) [pdf: 113kb]

Duty Recommendation [pdf: 163kb]

Emergency Data [pdf: 1.22MB]

Enlistment Contract [pdf: 217kb]

Enlistment Photo [pdf: 223kb]

Fitness Reports [pdf: 4.68MB]

Honorable Discharge From Reserve [pdf: 111kb]

Leave Record [pdf: 319kb]

National Defense Service Medal [pdf: 97.6kb]

Naval Messages [pdf: 470kb]

Naval OCS Report [pdf: 108kb]

Nuclear Weapons Training Certificate [pdf: 340kb]

Office Order Memos [pdf: 594kb]

Officer Candidate Agreement [pdf: 263kb]

Order to Officer Candidate [pdf: 149kb]

Pay Entry Base Date [pdf: 113kb]

Personnel Casualty Report [pdf: 577kb]

Presidential Unit Citation [pdf: 141kb]

Purple Heart #1 Citation [pdf: 98.3kb]

Purple Heart #2 Citation [pdf: 98.3kb]

Purple Heart #3 Citation [pdf: 103kb]

Qualifications Questionnaire [pdf: 350kb]

Recommendations For Next [pdf: 238kb]

Record of Discharge [pdf: 165kb]

Release From Active Duty [pdf: 537kb]

Report of Home of Record [pdf: 252kb]

Request For History of Service [pdf: 136kb]

Request For Swiftboat Duty [pdf: 122kb]

Research Sheet F4-15 [pdf: 187kb]

Reserve Office Appointment [pdf: 268kb]

Security Clearances [pdf: 1.10MB]

Service_Record [pdf: 98.9kb]

Servicemans Life Insurance [pdf: 183kb]

Silver Star [pdf: 311kb]

Statement of Service 1967 [pdf: 144kb]

Temporary Orders and Ranks [pdf: 1.73MB]

Thrice Wounded Reassignment [pdf: 112kb]

Top Secret Clearance [pdf: 483kb]

Training School Record [pdf: 138kb]

Transfer To Standby Reserve [pdf: 230kb]

Travel Payment Orderhnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Vietnam_Service_Medal.pdf">Vietnam Service Medal [pdf: 174kb]

George W. Bush's Military Records​

Documents Obtained by Walter Robinson, Martin Heldt and other researchers through the Freedom of Information Act:​

Getting into the Guard

(doc26.gif )- Contract of Service (5/27/68)

(doc23.gif )- Penalty for bad attendance (undated)

(doc24.gif ) - Statement of intent: "Flying is lifetime goal." (undated)

Press release http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/He_gets_high_PR_release.gif (3/24/1970)

Second page of the PR release http://www.cis.net~/coldfeet/afterburners.gif (3/24/70)

1972-1973

(doc7.gif ) - First transfer request; Bush applies to transfer with the 9921st in AL, a non-flying unit (5/24/72)

(doc6.gif )- Lt. Colonel Bricken's Response from AL (5/26/72)

(doc25.gif )- TXANG Recommends approval and notification if Bush is assigned to reserves. (6/??/72)

(doc5.gif ) - Air Force HQ Denver disallows transfer (date unclear)

(grounded.gif ) - Bush's suspension from flying; "Reason for Suspension" Failure to accomplish annual medical examination." (9/29/72; confirming verbal orders of 8/1/72) (James Bath is also suspended on this same document.)

(doc2.gif ) - Bush request for temporary transfer to 187th Tac Recon Grp. in AL (Bush letter, 9/5/72)

(doc11.gif )- AL ANG HQ approval for Bush to train with the 187th. (9/15 and 9/29, 1972)

(doc4.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 1..."Not Observed" in all categories. (5/2/73)

(doc9.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 2..."Not Observed at this unit during the period of this report." (5/2/73)

(doc17.gif ) - Special Order from Department of the Air Force, Ellington AFB, ordering Bush to perform 9 days duty in May/June 1973. (5/1/73)

(doc12.gif )- USAF requests more information on Officer Effectiveness Report; "This Officer should have been reassigned in May 1972 since he is no longer training in his AFSC or with his unit of assignment." (6/2?/73)

(doc28.gif )- Major Martin replies; "Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 Apr 73. Report not available for administrative reasons."

1972-1973 Days Credited:

• As received by Marty Heldt in July 2000
• As published by "George" Magazine 10/19/2000
• As released by the White House in February 2004

(Boy, that document sure has gone through the wash a few times! Wonder what's on the original microfiche?) (doc16.gif ) - 1973 days credited. (undated, unsigned)

Getting Out of the Guard

(Doc20.gif ) - Bush request for discharge from Texas Air National Guard and Transfer to inactive reserves - Bush letter (9/5/73)

(doc27.gif ) - Request Discharge recommended for approval by Col. Killian (9/6/73)

(doc10.gif ) - Chronological Listing of Service (undated; last entry 10/1/73)

(ang22.gif ) - Bush discharge papers (10/1/73)

(Doc21.gif )- Texas Air National Guard OK for transfer to inactive reserves (10/16/73)

(doc14.gif ) - "Military Biography" of George W. Bush (unsigned, undated - no mention of Alabama)

Documents Released by the White House February 10, 2004:​

Jan. 6, 1973 USAF Dental Exam Record for 1st Lt. George W. Bush

Memorandum of Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd, Jr. (Ret.) (Analysis of Military Payroll Records for George W. Bush for service from 1972 to 1973) (undated memorandum)

USAF Reserve Personnel Record Card for 1st Lt. George W. Bush (Covers period from 27 May 1972 to 26 May 1973)

ARF 1st Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)

ARF 2nd Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1973)





Military Payroll Records of 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)

(More documents linked from USAToday.com)​

Here is box 24 from Senator John Kerry's DD214:

Here is Box 24 from George Bush's ANG-22:

"TAFMS" and "TAFCS" - are those awards or citations? Or are they incomplete, whited-out records of total days served? Did George Bush ever receive the Texas Fatihful Service Medal, which was awarded for five years of honorable service? If not, why not?




[size=-1]Mother Jones also provides a detailed side-by-side chart here.[/size]

Here's another chart from Democrats.org showing a side-by-side timeline: Where was Bush?


Know of other documents that should be listed here? Please email webmaster - at - awolbush.com. Still missing are:

• Bush's last DD-214
• Any pages from Bush's flight log (they look like this and have summary areas that look like this...real pilots usually keep a copy; so does the Air Force...)
• Records from the Flight Inquiry Board convened after Bush was suspended as a pilot
• Any evidence of Bush's reclassification into another AFSC after suspension as a pilot
• Air Force Form 142 (Aviation Service Audit Worksheet)
• Any photos of George Bush in a military uniform after 1972
• Anything at all from any Alabama unit with Bush's name on it
• Any copies of form 44a from the Alabama National Guard certifying attendance
• Anything proving service by Bush between May 1972 and May 1973

 

[BoneCrusher]

OR we can look at it another way ...