More proof that Fox News is a government sponsored propaganda machine...

[BigDyl]

O'Reilly is an asshole, but he is fun to watch sometimes.

There are definitely assholes in both parties, I just think its funny how liberals hate an opposing opinion. The media is overwhelmingly liberal, the conservative viewpoint gets essentially one outlet and liberals still bitch about it.

I'm not a liberal, I just find it blatantly obvious that Fox News, conservatives, and the like, wrap themselves in the flag no matter what. No matter what atrocity we commit, it can be justified by proclaiming patriotism, and anyone who disagrees must be a terrorist, communist, or any "ist" that has negative intentions. George Orwell's world has indeed become a reality.

 

[clemson357]

kbm's level of hate is amazing.

Its also amazing the double standard that exists about stereotyping people. It is perfectly fine to say "conservatives only have one channel because they only have one opinion; they all think alike."

Guess who else only has channel? Black people, do they all think alike KelJu? Is that the reason why there is a channel called Black Entertainment Television? Why is there no White Entertainment Television? I guess, under your logic, it is because white people are diverse and black people are all the same, right?

 

[Pepper]

I've never watched it, are there hot chicks on it?

News is boring, that's what papers are for. TV is for relaxation.

Dude, Fox News by far has the hottest news-babes around.

While CNN or NBC may have a hot chick here and there, Fox has tons of them and they just keep rolling new ones out all the time.

 

[KelJu]

When people deny that the media is liberal, it totally invalidates everything else they say. It is like trying to talk about rap music and saying that Nelly is your favorite rapper. As soon as you do, you have ZERO credibility.

Yeah, when people say that liberals are the only ones that bitch and complain, they lose all credibility too.
Would you agree?

 

[Pepper]

kbm's level of hate is amazing.

Yep. He is about as unreasonable as anyone here.

 

[Pepper]

Yeah, when people say that liberals are the only ones that bitch and complain, they lose all credibility too.
Would you agree?

Absolutely. Conservatives can bitch with the best of them. Especially the Christian-right.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Dude, Fox News by far has the hottest news-babes around.

While CNN or NBC may have a hot chick here and there, Fox has tons of them and they just keep rolling new ones out all the time.

Rupert Murdoch must be a genius...Be the only conservative news outlet, hire hot chicks. No competition, and eye candy. All he needs now is to figure beer into the equation and maybe I will put it as one of my favorites.

 

[KelJu]

kbm's level of hate is amazing.

Its also amazing the double standard that exists about stereotyping people. It is perfectly fine to say "conservatives only have one channel because they only have one opinion; they all think alike."

Guess who else only has channel? Black people, do they all think alike KelJu? Is that the reason why there is a channel called Black Entertainment Television? Why is there no White Entertainment Television? I guess, under your logic, it is because white people are diverse and black people are all the same, right?

That???s cool; I like how you try to morph me into a racist. Don't worry, I see your straw man from a mile away.
First off, your political affiliation can not be equated to your choice of entertainment. How man black people listen to David Allen Coe? I would guess less than 1% of the black population.
I know that you do not know many black people, but take my take my word for it, blacks do not watch only one channel.
There is a white entertainment channel; it is called the Country Music Network.

 

[Decker]

The media are not liberal. For the most part, the media are lazy and/or incompetent. Fox news is decidely a wholly owned subsidiary of the republican party. That's evident to anyone paying attention.

If anyone thinks the media are liberal, please put up some support for that. My argument? Here's an easy one. Just look at the 20 month battle waged against Al Gore prior to the 2000 election. The lies attributed to Al Gore were themselves fables perpetuated by lazy-ass reporters repeating right-wing drivel. It's easy to write about alpha males, love canal, and inventing the internet. It's difficult to write about substantive issues.

Currently look at the right-wing news's contrivance that leaks of info regarding illegal wiretapping, rendition and torture are treasonous and that presidential leaks of info ruining the efforts of WMD covert agents for political gain is patriotic.

Guess which side of that fence Fox falls on?
http://newsbusters.org/node/5052

This spin will likely take hold just the way the bullshit about "Bush is a competent war-time leader" took hold.

If anything the media tilt right b/c the messages are generally very effective propaganda--sound bites that are easy to understand. Who cares if it's bullshit. It's easier to repeat propaganda than to research a thoughtful story.

 

[KelJu]

Absolutely. Conservatives can bitch with the best of them. Especially the Christian-right.

That is exactly who I had in mind when I said that.

 

[Pepper]

The media are not liberal.

You lost me right there. You have got to be kidding. That is simply NOT a reasonable position. Most media people are liberals. Period.

Admit that, then we can discuss the rest of your post.

 

[Pepper]

That is exactly who I had in mind when I said that.

Most of you would consider me a member of that group. just sayin'

 

[clemson357]

That???s cool; I like how you try to morph me into a racist.

I wasn't trying to claim you were a racist. Look back at my post, then look up the meaning of the phrase 'double standard.'

Your logic, if applied to race, would make you a racist. However, my point about the double standard was that you would never apply that same logic to race, hence the term double standard: you are applying two standards.

If one TV channel equates to one belief, then lets apply that logic across the board, OK? If not, then drop that ridiculous argument.

 

[clemson357]

You lost me right there. You have got to be kidding. That is simply NOT a reasonable position. Most media people are liberals. Period.

Admit that, then we can discuss the rest of your post.

No, Pepper. I think he is correct. In fact, college professors are not overwhelmingly liberal either.

 

[Decker]

You lost me right there. You have got to be kidding. That is simply NOT a reasonable position. Most media people are liberals. Period.

Admit that, then we can discuss the rest of your post.

The vast majority of newspaper editors and owners are conservative.

Tell me which person--the editor or the reporter--decides what story will be printed?

Look at the ownership of telecommunications: approximately 6 corporate bodies own all the media in this country. http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml

Do you honestly believe that these corporate giants--many of them defense contractors too--are flaming liberals?

You state a conclusion that the media are liberal--where's your support?

 

[Decker]

No, Pepper. I think he is correct. In fact, college professors are not overwhelmingly liberal either.

It depends what departments you look at and how you define liberal and conservative. W/out defining Conservative or Liberal, dept.s of business tend to be wholly conservative while everyone else is liberal.

It's just that the modern definition of what a conservative is so repugnant to thinking people, anyone spending time debating and contemplating life w/out having their heads up Big-business's ass see the utter futility of shortsighted, selfish conservatism.

Good example:
America's attacked by terrorists, the president asks everyone to go out and shop!

 

[BigDyl]

The vast majority of newspaper editors and owners are conservative.

Tell me which person--the editor or the reporter--decides what story will be printed?

Look at the ownership of telecommunications: approximately 6 corporate bodies own all the media in this country. http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml

Do you honestly believe that these corporate giants--many of them defense contractors too--are flaming liberals?

You state a conclusion that the media are liberal--where's your support?

 

[Dale Mabry]

It depends what departments you look at and how you define liberal and conservative. W/out defining Conservative or Liberal, dept.s of business tend to be wholly conservative while everyone else is liberal.

It's just that the modern definition of what a conservative is so repugnant to thinking people, anyone spending time debating and contemplating life w/out having their heads up Big-business's ass see the utter futility of shortsighted, selfish conservatism.

Good example:
America's attacked by terrorists, the president asks everyone to go out and shop!

I think with the editors, money is more of a driving factor. Let's face it, WRT politics, Bush-hating is what is selling newspapers. When it is something else, they will move to that. I imagine there are a ton of tobacco executives that don't smoke, but they have no problem selling the product.

 

[Pepper]

Support? Do you watch the news? Katie Couric? Dan Rather? Do you read the New York Times? The Washington Post? This just isn't that they tend to prefer liberal candidates, they tend to support liberal causes.

Where is your support that the reports and editors are conservatives? This is laughable.

BigDyl, I guess ANY post that you agree with defines "owned." Fucking lame, but about what I'd expect.

 

[DOMS]

I used to like you.

See, TV turned you against me.

 

[clemson357]

It depends what departments you look at and how you define liberal and conservative. W/out defining Conservative or Liberal, dept.s of business tend to be wholly conservative while everyone else is liberal.

It's just that the modern definition of what a conservative is so repugnant to thinking people, anyone spending time debating and contemplating life w/out having their heads up Big-business's ass see the utter futility of shortsighted, selfish conservatism.

Good example:
America's attacked by terrorists, the president asks everyone to go out and shop!

No, here is where your wrong, and here is why Democrats will loose in 2008. YOU are the people with your head up your ass. You and Ben Affleck, Leonardo DiCaprio, and the rest of the holier-than-thou elite think you can just declare that conservative=unintelligent. The fact of the matter is that for every dipshit religious neo-con voting conservative because he thinks God told him to, there is a crackhead prostitute birthing 7 babies a decade, all addicted to herion, all living off the government for their entire lives voting democrat to secure their welfare check. Their is nothing inherently unintelligent about either idealogy when you get down to the bare bones. Each side has unintelligent people. You keep painting yourself as the intellectual, why don't you copy and paste that list of government responsibilities for me again! You are real deep thinker, alright. A deep thinker who is incapable of distinguishing the concept of how much government is good, from whether we need government at all. Keep telling yourself that your idealogy is intelligent and mine isn't, and you can keep bitching all the way until 2012.

 

[BigDyl]

BigDyl, I guess ANY post that you agree with defines "owned." Fucking lame, but about what I'd expect.

I just let kbm and decker fight the battle while I sit back and post owned pictures.

 

[BigDyl]

No, here is where your wrong, and here is why Democrats will loose in 2008. YOU are the people with your head up your ass. You and Ben Affleck, Leonardo DiCaprio, and the rest of the holier-than-thou elite think you can just declare that conservative=unintelligent. The fact of the matter is that for every dipshit religious neo-con voting conservative because he thinks good told him to, there is a crackhead prostitute birthing 7 babies a decade, all addicted to herion, all living off the government for their entire lives voting democrat to secure their welfare check. Their is nothing inherently unintelligent about either idealogy when you get down to the bare bones. Each side has unintelligent people. You keep painting yourself as the intellectual, why don't you copy and paste that list of government responsibilities for me again! You are real deep thinker, alright. A deep thinker who is incapable of distinguishing the concept of how much government is good, from whether we need government at all. Keep telling yourself that your idealogy is intelligent and mine isn't, and you can keep bitching all the way until 2012.

I dislike conservatives while at the same time... DISLIKING affleck and decaprio.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I just let kbm and decker fight the battle while I sit back and post owned pictures.

Everyone has their place.

 

[topolo]

Does anybody have any gum?

 

[DOMS]

Support? Do you watch the news? Katie Couric? Dan Rather? Do you read the New York Times? The Washington Post? This just isn't that they tend to prefer liberal candidates, they tend to support liberal causes.

That, and you're more likely get liberal content from a conservative media outlet than you to get conservative content from liberal media outlet.

 

[DOMS]

I just let kbm and decker fight the battle while I sit back and post owned pictures.

So, you're their fluffer.

 

[DOMS]

Does anybody have any gum?

What does gum have to do with rubbing one out?

 

[Decker]

Support? Do you watch the news? Katie Couric? Dan Rather? Do you read the New York Times? The Washington Post? This just isn't that they tend to prefer liberal candidates, they tend to support liberal causes.

Where is your support that the reports and editors are conservatives? This is laughable.

BigDyl, I guess ANY post that you agree with defines "owned." Fucking lame, but about what I'd expect.

Just got back from a soft taco lunch--chicken tacos.

I'm sorry but the NY Times and practically every paper in america supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. Where do you think Judith Miller and her bullshit WMD stories came from? Some tool of the Left.

If the liberal media are so monolithic why all the conservative talking heads, radio shows, columnists etc? Limbaugh, Will, O'reilly, McGlaughlin, Barnes, Kristol, Kondracke, Scarborough, Hannity, coulter, Hitchens, Snow(now he's part of the political problem), and on and on.

I would like to see a list of hardcore liberals to match that.

If there were a liberal media, where's the attendant and numerous liberal think tanks, liberal cable news organizations, endless liberal talking heads....If Dan Rather is your idea of bias well then you haven't been paying attention.

Check out election surveys about which candidate newspaper editors supported--Bush by 60%. But who cares? The very assertion assumes that professional ethics are a joke and motive is everything.

I've shown you corporate (conservative) ownership of the media itself. I've shown you that reporters may vote liberal but so what, editors vote conservative.

 

[kbm8795]

That makes sense, there is competition in the liberal news market, and none in the GOP news market.

As in most dictatorial countries, official news services don't believe in competition.