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The vid is for the lazy who don't wanna read, the article is for those who really want the details. Lots of pissed off people (as expected...) over that article.
ive had my own test levels checked and found a rise in test levels. there have also been many cases of blood backed rises in test levels from several product. there are compounds and products that will raise free and total test levels. many of these are also backed by science. to say none exist is simply untrue. to say most do nothing, is a decent comment that i can back.
(1) T levels go up and down all the time. (2) That's why you need blood work done at specific intervals, specific times, etc, in a large enough group to be SS. (3) lookin at naked women, etc, etc will raise T also. Thus, your above comments carry no weight from an objective science based perspective.
Usually VERY poor science, or no science. If you know science, the term "backed by science" is meaningless. You have to read the studies (not just the abstracts...) and know what you are reading.
I support my conclusions with the known facts as they exist. If anyone wishes to supply actual counter support, in the form of real data, by all means, do so.
As I said, a few compounds might* have some effects on T*, none have ever been shown to raise T high enough and or long enough to actually do anything for why they are used: changes in bodycomp and or strength.
Thems the facts.
* = The next big T booster supp that will probably be all the rage shortly is D-aspartic acid (DAC). Unlike most others, "on paper" DAC appears moderately effective, but again, whether it does jack sh&% for the end points that matter, remains to be seen:
Background
D-aspartic acid is an amino acid present in neuroendocrine tissues of invertebrates and vertebrates, including rats and humans. Here we investigated the effect of this amino acid on the release of LH and testosterone in the serum of humans and rats. Furthermore, we investigated the role of D-aspartate in the synthesis of LH and testosterone in the pituitary and testes of rats, and the molecular mechanisms by which this amino acid triggers its action.
Methods
For humans: A group of 23 men were given a daily dose of D-aspartate (DADAVIT®) for 12 days, whereas another group of 20 men were given a placebo. For rats: A group of 10 rats drank a solution of either 20 mM D-aspartate or a placebo for 12 days. Then LH and testosterone accumulation was determined in the serum and D-aspartate accumulation in tissues. The effects of D-aspartate on the synthesis of LH and testosterone were gauged on isolated rat pituitary and Leydig cells. Tissues were incubated with D-aspartate, and then the concentration (synthesis) of LH and cGMP in the pituitary and of testosterone and cAMP in the Leydig cells was determined.
Results
In humans and rats, sodium D-aspartate induces an enhancement of LH and testosterone release. In the rat pituitary, sodium D-aspartate increases the release and synthesis of LH through the involvement of cGMP as a second messenger, whereas in rat testis Leydig cells, it increases the synthesis and release of testosterone and cAMP is implicated as second messenger. In the pituitary and in testes D-Asp is synthesized by a D-aspartate racemase which convert L-Asp into D-Asp. The pituitary and testes possesses a high capacity to trapping circulating D-Asp from hexogen or endogen sources.
Conclusion
D-aspartic acid is a physiological amino acid occurring principally in the pituitary gland and testes and has a role in the regulation of the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats.
im well aware of that one. but again, tests taken at the same time on the same day of the week in 4 week intervals is conclusive enough for me. so i disagree with that, and much of the science is credible enough to be taken. to assume that everything will be tested in humans is to assume a lot. as for a rise enough for gain in mass, that i can agree with. i simply do not agree that none exist and are useless (and i do read the full studies).
So basically watching porn is better than buying these products?
Depending on the product, yes. Again, see link in article. Listening to sports cars also raises T. Enough to increase LBM or strength? Of course not....
Supply a study. A double blind in vivo study using trained weight lifters published in a legit journal I can't rip apart in seconds flat.
sure, let me go ask scientists why they didnt go from a promising rat study to a human study yet. the absence of a human study doesnt mean something will not work, it just means there is a need for further research. if you can do multiple sets of hormone panels with that compound, before and after, and you see an increase, there is more than enough to suggest that it works. to say that it isnt enough to convince YOU, then fine, to say that is still doesnt work is just ignoring information to suit your view. there are studies that show creatine mono and beta alanine to be worthless, yet we still count them as staples. you can rip apart anything if you want to, doesnt mean you are right.
in will's opinion, yes. key word being opinion.
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Long time reader first time poster. Seems the only way I've read to increase test is to get the real stuff... I'm not sure I would trust the web sites that have it available, but there are links to them on this site. Also from what I read you need to be fairly well off financialy to afford to run a test cycle. Just my .02
not at all. the only way to absolutely guarantee a rise in test is to take test, but you are going to have to deal with shutdown and pct, (so its a rise, but more a replacement). there are products that will boost your test without introducing exogenous hormones into your system, but the results will not compare to the other option.
I am a scientist and "ask" them about such things all the time as I deal with the the scientific/medical community.
You said: "much of the science is credible enough to be taken.."
I asked for a single study. You supplied nadda.
You didn't disprove with your dance above. The reason you didn't is, because not you or anyone else can do it, due to the fact it does not exist. The "science" is neither credible or robust enough to justify the claims made by sellers or anyone bothering using them. I have been published in peer reviewed journals, done product development/RnD for major supp companies, etc, etc. How about you?
It's your money, I just report the facts as they exist.
Good luck.
I've been taking activate xtreme for a week and a half. My temper has been cut significantly, my sleep is deeper, my sex drive is like in overdrive it's too much, my strength is through the roof, been breaking records this whole past week too. I have alot more energy and competitiveness now. If thats not a sign of increased test, and even if it isn't increased test, whatever is happening is good.
why do i have to prove it? you and i both have read the same studies that show compounds boosting test. you want double blind human trials and we both know those are rare. prehaps the novedex study, but im sure youll poke holes in that because it goes against your opinion. basically you have made up your mind and published it in your blog, to change your mind know would be foolish so to try to convince you is a complete waste of time.
i have done r&d and am close friends with the r&d people from major supp companies. good enough?
sorry for disagreeing with you.
great to hear!
alright, will, lets think for a second. you are the one saying all of the science that exists for test boosters and test boosting compounds is bunk. you are the one saying my own personal hormone panels and the others that i have seen are bunk, yet I have to back up my statement? no will, you have to prove it, and your article dances around it. the only thing that you show with any type of backing or explanation is that an otc test booster might not boost levels high enough to have an impact on body mass. that's all.
you say the research is dubious, yet dont prove it or discuss it. you say they are taken out of context, yet dont prove it. you have shown nothing, you have proved nothing. its all an attention grabber. so will, prove it. turning it back on someone who disagrees with your attention grabbing article is not how you prove YOUR STANCE. with all of your writing, maybe you should be familiar with how to disprove something. you know, you have to go beyond saying,
oh, and i mentioned the novedex xt study in passing, a double blind published study on an otc test booster. beyond that, you seem to agree that these compounds do boost test, you say as much, yet you are arguing with me. which is it, they dont boost test or they do?
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I tried 1 bottle of the Stoked last summer, I saw some strenth gains nothing thru the roof. I do agree that I slept better. I think it and Activate are the same compound.
one in common, thats all.
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Novedex XT and Halodrol Mt by gaspari nutition, Formadrol Extreme by LG sciences and Super Test by the Beast Sports Nutrition all very good choices. Animal Stak and M-Stak, Animal Test by Universal are also very excellent and complete test booster supplement.
Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 is sodium D-aspartate which can raise total testosterone 42% in 12 days. We just released it yesterday, but it's on sale for 30% off for the next week, only $20.97.
Can't I just drink some Diet Coke and save the $20.97 for something more productive.
Upon ingestion, aspartame breaks down into natural residual components, including aspartic acid. The term "aspartic acid" refers to either of two forms or a mixture of two.[2] Of these two forms, only one, "L-aspartic acid", is directly incorporated into amino acids. The biological roles of its counterpart, "D-aspartic acid" are more limited. Where enzymatic synthesis will produce one or the other, most chemical syntheses will produce both forms, "DL-aspartic acid".
And you can get protein from Doritos, but that might not be the healthiest way to go about it.
simply, no. you will shit your brains out before you get the dosage you need.
just a heads up, some of the few consumer DAA products were tested and were not found to be pure (was actually DL-aspartic and "DL -aspartic is very cheap and only consists of 50% D-aspartic acid"). this is an excellent compound with great promise, but not easy to get. i will be waiting for third party confirmation before i invest money into it.
What exactly are you trying to show here? Neither specific rotation nor IR will tell you anything about the purity of the compound. You could pass both of these tests with material that is 80% pure. You need to run GC or HPLC if you want to demonstrate the purity which I see in the reference section but no supporting data. Also, the storage conditions are -20C which makes me wonder if there are stability issues.
A CofA was requested, a CofA was provided.
its a very promising compound for test boosters. the thing is, test and related illicit compounds are the only thing that has some sort of guarantee (i use that loosely) for mass gains, but the otc test boosters that work, certainly help.
