Need advice on perscribed TRT meds.

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Did labs this last week-end and endo appt. today.. My total test was 295, free test was 68, estadiol was 4. My endo tried to tell me that I was in range with my age, even though it being at the bottom end. After telling him all my concerns and lack of energy and libido, he asked if I wanted to go on axiron at a double dose or androgel. I told him I tried that route and I wasn't paying that price just to raise my test levels 100-200 points. I told him if we aren't going to talk injections then I was done here and I would self medicate myself..He agreed that I was in range to start injections if i wanted. He agreed to start me out at 200mg of cypionate every 14 days, lab work done a week after 3rd injection and next endo appt to discuss variation in dosage or going to once a week in 3 months..I asked about arimedex if it was needed and he said no way, hcg, no way...I was shocked when I picked up my test, a 3 months supply for $19.50. That being in a good way..I was curious with my estradiol, I was taking vital labs pct with formastanzol so I guess it worked...It's a start, any suggestions at this point???

 

[independent]

Make sure to inject at least a 100mgs once a week, 2 weeks per inj is to long. At that dosage no ai should be needed, just do what the doc wants for now and you can add the hcg in later on your own. You should probably tell him about dosing weekly so he knows. Explain to him the halflife is only 7 days.

 

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Make sure to inject at least a 100mgs once a week, 2 weeks per inj is to long. At that dosage no ai should be needed, just do what the doc wants for now and you can add the hcg in later on your own. You should probably tell him about dosing weekly so he knows. Explain to him the halflife is only 7 days.

That's what I was thinking. I talked to him about the half life, he said he wanted to stick with the every 14 days for the 1st 3 months then we would do labs and if I wanted to then he would be willing to write the script for once a week. he wanted to see how my body reacted and wether I had highs and lows. I told him I wanted to be around 800 on my test levels and he was on board. I figured I can adjust on my own or add some if I needed as long as I got doc on board with script now.. I was going to inject every week and tell him I had ups and downs, when I get close to my labs, how can I adjust to get the best results?

 

[independent]

Just inject every every week now and a month before your labs change it to every 2 weeks. He will never know.

 

[ChiSao]

300mg. every 2 weeks for me, I like to cheat.

 

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Just inject every every week now and a month before your labs change it to every 2 weeks. He will never know.

If I stay at 100mg a week and run my labs on the 7th day, would that work also, or would it be better to go back to every 14 days before? Also, can someone clarify something with HCG. I have read alot on this and how it brings back sperm count, very helpful if still wanting to have kids. I had a vasectomy years ago and not worried about that at all. What benefit would it have for me? I know it keeps the testicles from shrinking but unless I am wrong, after a vasectomy there is nothing coming from there anyways..

Can someone enlighten this subject for me????

 

[independent]

If I stay at 100mg a week and run my labs on the 7th day, would that work also, or would it be better to go back to every 14 days before? Also, can someone clarify something with HCG. I have read alot on this and how it brings back sperm count, very helpful if still wanting to have kids. I had a vasectomy years ago and not worried about that at all. What benefit would it have for me? I know it keeps the testicles from shrinking but unless I am wrong, after a vasectomy there is nothing coming from there anyways..

Can someone enlighten this subject for me????

Yes wait the 14 days for your lab work like the doc wants this way your levels will probably be low and he will up your dose. Hcg keeps the testes running, the testes are also responsible for producing other essential hormones the body needs.

 

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Yes wait the 14 days for your lab work like the doc wants this way your levels will probably be low and he will up your dose. Hcg keeps the testes running, the testes are also responsible for producing other essential hormones the body needs.

Ok, good to know on HCG. The doc wanted me to test 1 week after my 3rd every 14 day shot shot, that's why I was confused on wether it made any difference. If I pin 100 and wait a week, test before next shot, won't my levels be lower than pinning 200 and then testing a week later?

 

[independent]

Ok, good to know on HCG. The doc wanted me to test 1 week after my 3rd every 14 day shot shot, that's why I was confused on wether it made any difference. If I pin 100 and wait a week, test before next shot, won't my levels be lower than pinning 200 and then testing a week later?

Ok i got it, he wants you to test 7 days after your inject of 200mgs correct? I would assume your levels would be decent. My thought is they could be over normal possibly and he drops your dosage. You could inject just a 100mgs prior to the test to be safe. Can you do some bloodwork on your own prior to get a baseline?

 

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Ok i got it, he wants you to test 7 days after your inject of 200mgs correct? I would assume your levels would be decent. My thought is they could be over normal possibly and he drops your dosage. You could inject just a 100mgs prior to the test to be safe. Can you do some bloodwork on your own prior to get a baseline?

Yes, he wants to test me 7 days after my 3 rd shot then discuss wether I want to do once a week depending on how I feel and wether I have any ups and downs or not..I was going to tell him I had ups and downs no matter what happened just to get on once a week injections. The 7 days after 3rd shot was to test and adjust, wether up or down what I was going to do every week thereafter. I just figured that at every 7 days now and then test before my next shot at that 6 wk mark, doing 100 mg would test more level and real than pinning 200 and testing 7 days later. At 200, I figured my levels might be higher and give him an arguement to keep me at every 2 weeks..I found some places online last night that I can get labs on my own if I needed...

 

[Samuellohan]

TRT meds works but I haven't tried any other forms of testosterone so I am not sure how well it is working. It has been helpful to me though.

 

[independent]

Yes, he wants to test me 7 days after my 3 rd shot then discuss wether I want to do once a week depending on how I feel and wether I have any ups and downs or not..I was going to tell him I had ups and downs no matter what happened just to get on once a week injections. The 7 days after 3rd shot was to test and adjust, wether up or down what I was going to do every week thereafter. I just figured that at every 7 days now and then test before my next shot at that 6 wk mark, doing 100 mg would test more level and real than pinning 200 and testing 7 days later. At 200, I figured my levels might be higher and give him an arguement to keep me at every 2 weeks..I found some places online last night that I can get labs on my own if I needed...

Your plan makes sense.

 

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Your plan makes sense.

ok, glad to know that all my research pays off and I am on the right track. I found good place to get labs on my own, also to get some HCG from one of your other posts on this forum. I am starting to feel better, been 5 days since my last shot, going to do another 100mg on weds. I crushed my estrogen, trying to bring it back slow, killed my libido also for a spell. Now i just need to get dialed in. Thanks Big Moe for all your help on helping me understand all this...

 

[JCBourne]

What are your levels at 100mg/week?

 

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I won' t be tested till around 24th of april then suppose to meet with endo to talk about adjusting or not..

 

[cornertech]

Gels are ok if BF is normal...if BF is low it will convert to DHT more rapidly creating peaks and valley's in your levels...I use inj, never any issues, more consistent.

I am 45 yrs. old, been doing prohormones for quite a years. just had all my levels checked and all were good except my testosterone was at 242 so Dr started me on TRT. He would only perscribe Axiron transdermal at 60mg/day. I talked to him about it increasing my estrogen and he knew nothing on this subject. Has anyone ever used Axiron and should I be concerned about estrogen levels raising? Any info you guys can provide would be great appreciated...

 

[cornertech]

300mg. every 2 weeks for me, I like to cheat.

Bump...

 

[cornertech]

ok, glad to know that all my research pays off and I am on the right track. I found good place to get labs on my own, also to get some HCG from one of your other posts on this forum. I am starting to feel better, been 5 days since my last shot, going to do another 100mg on weds. I crushed my estrogen, trying to bring it back slow, killed my libido also for a spell. Now i just need to get dialed in. Thanks Big Moe for all your help on helping me understand all this...

perhaps look into adding HMG w/ the HCG as well...

 

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perhaps look into adding HMG w/ the HCG as well...

Never heard of HMG but will give it a look..Have you used HMG?

 

[JCBourne]

I won' t be tested till around 24th of april then suppose to meet with endo to talk about adjusting or not..

How do you feel?

 

[WitchKing]

My doctor would only do one T shot a month. I told him to go f himself. So, I called local compounding pharmacies and asked for TRT doctor recommendations. New doc had me on 100 mg T e3d after first visit. I knew I needed HCG and anastrozole. Insurance didn't cover them, so I went the India pharmacy route. Feel great, sex is now five or six times a week. E is in check, wife is happy, I'm happy.

 

[sneedham]

I tried to explain about estrogen going up, but of course he denied that it would happen with low dose of Testosterone. He was totally against shots. Suppose to have new labs run 1st of December. The thought of looking at another doctor that understands trt might be my best shot. I just started today with axiron at 60 mg, and formeron at 2 pumps per day. Figured this would suffice for now. Does that sound about right until I can get dr. to change or find a new one?

IMO an AI is prob not needed unless you are taking over 100mg/ml/wk of test. However I everyone is different and blood work would be the final answer to your question....

 

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How do you feel?

I feel better. I noticed that my energy, libido and overall feeling was up around day 3 after my first shot. Around day 6 and 7 my energy level was less but still higher than what it has been for several months. I did 100mg today for my second shot, which is 7 days after 1st shot so we will see how this goes..I plan on just doing 100mg a week until my next endo appt. Because I am 46 I seen to have to watch my estro more than a few years ago but it seems to be in check. I have been taking a low dose otc pct product and seems to be ok.

 

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My doctor would only do one T shot a month. I told him to go f himself. So, I called local compounding pharmacies and asked for TRT doctor recommendations. New doc had me on 100 mg T e3d after first visit. I knew I needed HCG and anastrozole. Insurance didn't cover them, so I went the India pharmacy route. Feel great, sex is now five or six times a week. E is in check, wife is happy, I'm happy.

how long did it take to get everything dialed in perfect?

 

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I feel better. I noticed that my energy, libido and overall feeling was up around day 3 after my first shot. Around day 6 and 7 my energy level was less but still higher than what it has been for several months. I did 100mg today for my second shot, which is 7 days after 1st shot so we will see how this goes..I plan on just doing 100mg a week until my next endo appt. Because I am 46 I seen to have to watch my estro more than a few years ago but it seems to be in check. I have been taking a low dose otc pct product and seems to be ok.

Here is the my trt rundown....Started trt with 200mg testosterone cypionate, suppose to inject every two weeks but injected the 1st shot at 200mg in the endo office, the following 7 days did 100mg, and another 100 mg the next week, 7 days apart. Now, when I take my shot at night, by morning I start to feel an energy increase, by the 2nd day energy, libido, strength, is running pretty good, starting to sleep better at night, by day 6 I start feeling a little sluggish and by day 7 I start feeling a little drained, take my shot of 100mg the night of day 7 and by morning I feel an increase in energy..I also take an over the pct product, 1 pill every other day, to help keep estrogen in check. Arime PCT Stage 5 by EPG. This is my routine for now until I go back to endo...

 

[1693]

Now, when I take my shot at night, by morning I start to feel an energy increase, by the 2nd day energy, libido, strength, is running pretty good, starting to sleep better at night, by day 6 I start feeling a little sluggish and by day 7 I start feeling a little drained, take my shot of 100mg the night of day 7 and by morning I feel an increase in energy

I bet you'd do a bit better pinning 70mg every 5 days....no more sluggish days!!!

 

[TrojanMan60563]

I pin 100mg e5d and my levels are very stable. I wish my TRT doctor would give me more since I'm only around 525-550 at this dose but he feels this is satisfactory. It for sure beats the 90 that I had when I went to see him.

 

[independent]

Here is the my trt rundown....Started trt with 200mg testosterone cypionate, suppose to inject every two weeks but injected the 1st shot at 200mg in the endo office, the following 7 days did 100mg, and another 100 mg the next week, 7 days apart. Now, when I take my shot at night, by morning I start to feel an energy increase, by the 2nd day energy, libido, strength, is running pretty good, starting to sleep better at night, by day 6 I start feeling a little sluggish and by day 7 I start feeling a little drained, take my shot of 100mg the night of day 7 and by morning I feel an increase in energy..I also take an over the pct product, 1 pill every other day, to help keep estrogen in check. Arime PCT Stage 5 by EPG. This is my routine for now until I go back to endo...

Try pinning 50mgs every 3.5 days and see if you feel better.

 

[chocolatemalt]

I wish my TRT doctor would give me more since I'm only around 525-550 at this dose but he feels this is satisfactory. It for sure beats the 90 that I had when I went to see him.

What a dick. 500's seem like the low end of acceptable, no reason not to reach for 800-1000 since you're medicating anyway. My natty levels are right around 500 and I suffer the classic low test symptoms there (although not everyone does), and I'm cured with boosted levels. I'd find a new doc.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

What a dick. 500's seem like the low end of acceptable, no reason not to reach for 800-1000 since you're medicating anyway. My natty levels are right around 500 and I suffer the classic low test symptoms there (although not everyone does), and I'm cured with boosted levels. I'd find a new doc.

I am going to go the overpriced clinic legal route. I get labs with my endo soon and I plan to ask for more but I'm pretty sure he wont give me more. I don't think he expected it would take 150mg EW to get me to where I am. I was on 200mg every 2 weeks. Then 150mg EW...now to get the levels stable its 100mg e5d. Granted levels are stable but nothing to write home to mom about. So I guess since the regular medical community can't seem to get it right I'll pay out my ass to get my levels to a reasonable level or better. Doctors here in IL pay out their ass for malpractice and I think they are all scared to have their name on a controlled substance. Its a fucking joke!