Need advice on perscribed TRT meds.

[chocolatemalt]

I am going to go the overpriced clinic legal route. I get labs with my endo soon and I plan to ask for more but I'm pretty sure he wont give me more. I don't think he expected it would take 150mg EW to get me to where I am. I was on 200mg every 2 weeks. Then 150mg EW...now to get the levels stable its 100mg e5d. Granted levels are stable but nothing to write home to mom about. So I guess since the regular medical community can't seem to get it right I'll pay out my ass to get my levels to a reasonable level or better. Doctors here in IL pay out their ass for malpractice and I think they are all scared to have their name on a controlled substance. Its a fucking joke!

Isn't the overpriced clinic route way too overpriced? Some of the numbers I've seen are eye-popping. In your shoes I'd try another regular doc if your insurance allows that, otherwise go with MLG, AMA, AY... Being off the grid myself I guess my advice is biased.

 

[1693]

I am going to go the overpriced clinic legal route. I get labs with my endo soon and I plan to ask for more but I'm pretty sure he wont give me more. I don't think he expected it would take 150mg EW to get me to where I am. I was on 200mg every 2 weeks. Then 150mg EW...now to get the levels stable its 100mg e5d. Granted levels are stable but nothing to write home to mom about. So I guess since the regular medical community can't seem to get it right I'll pay out my ass to get my levels to a reasonable level or better. Doctors here in IL pay out their ass for malpractice and I think they are all scared to have their name on a controlled substance. Its a fucking joke!

By what I've read in many threads, there's only a very small percentage of docs that are worth a damn when it comes to TRT worldwide!
It's a rare thing to find a good one...the chances of finding one seems to be better if they are male and it also helps if you find one that is on TRT themselves.

 

[flagsup]

Isn't the overpriced clinic route way too overpriced? Some of the numbers I've seen are eye-popping. In your shoes I'd try another regular doc if your insurance allows that, otherwise go with MLG, AMA, AY... Being off the grid myself I guess my advice is biased.

Actually, to get 200mg every 2 wks right cost me $19 every 3 months. Going to the endo is the only way I can get shots but is actually less expensive than my GP. My endo however will not give me a script for HCG or arimidex at all even if needed. I found 10 cc cypionate for $24 off the grid and same with hcg and arimidex. Once I do my next labs, will show me how I need to dose. I just want the doc on board to give script and I can dial in the rest. I even found a way to get my own labs. I have double insurance so what I can get on that is better. I feel better, but I know I can even do better than this also..I have researched alot and think I am on the right path..Does that sound pretty legit?

 

[flagsup]

I bet you'd do a bit better pinning 70mg every 5 days....no more sluggish days!!!

That was my thought but was going to wait till my next labs to be sure to not mess up my labs on May 1st for what I need to talk to doc to adjust my dose if needed..If doc won't adjust, I know then what I need to add with the script to adjust on my own...

 

[flagsup]

I am going to go the overpriced clinic legal route. I get labs with my endo soon and I plan to ask for more but I'm pretty sure he wont give me more. I don't think he expected it would take 150mg EW to get me to where I am. I was on 200mg every 2 weeks. Then 150mg EW...now to get the levels stable its 100mg e5d. Granted levels are stable but nothing to write home to mom about. So I guess since the regular medical community can't seem to get it right I'll pay out my ass to get my levels to a reasonable level or better. Doctors here in IL pay out their ass for malpractice and I think they are all scared to have their name on a controlled substance. Its a fucking joke!

That sucks because these stupid ass dr's aren't concerned how we feel..I told mine I wanted to be around 800 and he agreed so far. I will go off grid to the rest if needed. Should check into that..

 

[TrojanMan60563]

That sucks because these stupid ass dr's aren't concerned how we feel..I told mine I wanted to be around 800 and he agreed so far. I will go off grid to the rest if needed. Should check into that..

I'm doing it the overpriced way to avoid legal issues. If I got caught mailing myself stuff from an UGL I'd lose my job and that would make my life go from great to horrible. I'm also not that trusting of UGL products. I've had good experiences with them in the past, but now days you never know what you're getting. I don't want to shoot mystery oil into my body.

 

[independent]

Actually, to get 200mg every 2 wks right cost me $19 every 3 months. Going to the endo is the only way I can get shots but is actually less expensive than my GP. My endo however will not give me a script for HCG or arimidex at all even if needed. I found 10 cc cypionate for $24 off the grid and same with hcg and arimidex. Once I do my next labs, will show me how I need to dose. I just want the doc on board to give script and I can dial in the rest. I even found a way to get my own labs. I have double insurance so what I can get on that is better. I feel better, but I know I can even do better than this also..I have researched alot and think I am on the right path..Does that sound pretty legit?

Your plan is perfect. I wouldnt care if my doc only gave me 50mgs a week, you just need the script so you can travel with it and all that other stuff. Save your script bottles so you can fill them up with other stuff if needed.

 

[sneedham]

Your plan is perfect. I wouldnt care if my doc only gave me 50mgs a week, you just need the script so you can travel with it and all that other stuff. Save your script bottles so you can fill them up with other stuff if needed.

Bigmoe65 this is treading a fine line but you are correct!!!! If I was in his shoes I would do exactly as you say.... for what it is worth I have been sick and I mean very sick for several day and have missed an injection I am pissed because I have lost about 8 lbs in aweek....................Not to happy but I know what I need to do and a DR will not scrib that..........

 

[flagsup]

Your plan is perfect. I wouldnt care if my doc only gave me 50mgs a week, you just need the script so you can travel with it and all that other stuff. Save your script bottles so you can fill them up with other stuff if needed.

By dealing with this endo, I think he will get me close but I don't think he will push any letters on it, he wants to play everything too safe...Question though, if I have a script for the 200mg every 2 weeks and I purchase 10cc vial of cypionate from a sponsor, is that not within reason or is that grey area as far as legality, since I do have script? Just want to clarify a few things that some has brought up so I know the playing field.. I am not sure what we can or can not talk about here so I hope I am not crossing the line...

 

[TrojanMan60563]

By dealing with this endo, I think he will get me close but I don't think he will push any letters on it, he wants to play everything too safe...Question though, if I have a script for the 200mg every 2 weeks and I purchase 10cc vial of cypionate from a sponsor, is that not within reason or is that grey area as far as legality, since I do have script? Just want to clarify a few things that some has brought up so I know the playing field.. I am not sure what we can or can not talk about here so I hope I am not crossing the line...

I think by law you can't buy scheduled drugs off the internet script or not. It might save you from getting totally fried if you get caught, however they can also find out if you've been filling a script at a local pharmacy too.

 

[flagsup]

Thanks for the info.. Just needed to clarify some things I have heard...

 

[JCBourne]

Isn't the overpriced clinic route way too overpriced? Some of the numbers I've seen are eye-popping. In your shoes I'd try another regular doc if your insurance allows that, otherwise go with MLG, AMA, AY... Being off the grid myself I guess my advice is biased.

Unless one is extremely experienced with attempting this, it should be really thought through. Even so, there's still tons of risks.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Buying gear online or even domestic UGL is like having heroin mailed to your house. I make enough money that I'm not willing to risk my freedoms to save a little money. There are legit sources but you never know when their time is up or if they are being watched etc...

 

[flagsup]

I get my labs May 1st. Been in contact with nurse from endo office, sounds like they are willing to adjust my doseage once my labs are in. I am not doing anything until I find out what I can get endo to do 1st...would be nice to go all legit, and my insurance covers most of it..

 

[flagsup]

I get my labs May 1st. Been in contact with nurse from endo office, sounds like they are willing to adjust my doseage once my labs are in. I am not doing anything until I find out what I can get endo to do 1st...would be nice to go all legit, and my insurance covers most of it..

Has anyone had any problems with getting sick at the 6-7 day mark when injecting every 7 days? I didn't know if things were tied in at all together since there was such a drop when injection more than every 5 days...

 

[chocolatemalt]

Has anyone had any problems with getting sick at the 6-7 day mark when injecting every 7 days? I didn't know if things were tied in at all together since there was such a drop when injection more than every 5 days...

Haven't done it myself (once-weekly pins) but the effective half-life of test-e or test-c is 7 days. So maybe you're up to 800 ng/dL after your shot and feeling good but then a week later you'll be around 400 ng/dL which is essentially hypogonadism and all its negative effects.

Most of us off-grid juicers are doing E3D or E4D for that reason, to smooth out the blood level curve. Dunno what games the docs are playing.

 

[flagsup]

Haven't done it myself (once-weekly pins) but the effective half-life of test-e or test-c is 7 days. So maybe you're up to 800 ng/dL after your shot and feeling good but then a week later you'll be around 400 ng/dL which is essentially hypogonadism and all its negative effects.

Most of us off-grid juicers are doing E3D or E4D for that reason, to smooth out the blood level curve. Dunno what games the docs are playing.

In order to keep my script, I have to do that right now. Suppose to get my labs next weds and then talk to endo about adjusting from there..I deffinately feel the downside on day 6 and 7 and not until day 2 after shot to really kick in. I appreciate the response, I thought maybe it might have something to do with it. After I get my labs and see what doctor is going to do from here, I can adjust what he is willing to give me above the script on my own..

 

[flagsup]

In order to keep my script, I have to do that right now. Suppose to get my labs next weds and then talk to endo about adjusting from there..I deffinately feel the downside on day 6 and 7 and not until day 2 after shot to really kick in. I appreciate the response, I thought maybe it might have something to do with it. After I get my labs and see what doctor is going to do from here, I can adjust what he is willing to give me above the script on my own..

Got results from my labs back. All my blood workup is good, my PSA is low so that's good, my test is 474, estrogen is 19..Doc says to keep things as they are because they are in normal range and we will talk at next appt. on June 27th. I am calling nurse tomorrow and letting her know that I am doing once a week now because of the ups and downs and I want to up my script, that 474 is not where I want to be..see what doc says about that. We talked about getting me around 800 but every test he keeps telling me to continue the same because I am in normal range. I am getting the feeling he is trying to keep me at the bottom end..We'll see what info nurse can tell me tomorrow. Also, coming up on week 8, my energy is still better but can be better still, I sleep better, my libido and erection quality has seemed to be slumping some from how it was a couple weeks ago. Is this this due to shut down??? Kinda at a crossroads now and wondering where to go...

 

[independent]

I think you will feel better Going to once a week injections, throw some hcg in the mix and utilize some natural test production too.

 

[flagsup]

I have been doing once a week. Talked to endo nurse yesterday, told them I wanted to up my dose and be more around 800 like we talked about, waiting for reply from endo. Getting line on hcg, deffinatrly noticing some shrinkage now..

 

[TrojanMan60563]

I never been on HCG and I know my boys are smaller but at most 25%...I still shoot huge loads....I'd maybe add some HCG now and then but I'm on TRT for life so why unless I am trying to have kids? I'd rather shoot blanks than knock some dumb bitch up and give her 25%.

 

[flagsup]

I am kinda tossed about Hcg...I can't have kids anyways, just trying to make sense of it all. I just got my complete labs....475 total test, 123 free test, 247 bioavailable. What is bioavailable compared to free test? Still waiting for doc to respond to wanting to up dosage, no call yet..

 

[s2h]

bioavailable test is the free test and test that is mildly bound to the protein albumin..about 2-3% of all test is free.. and the unbound portion is inactive because it is mostly bound to plasma protein such as the shbg..

a small dose of winstrol even at 10mg ed or eod would allow more of your test to be unbound in a free state if needed...

 

[flagsup]

bioavailable test is the free test and test that is mildly bound to the protein albumin..about 2-3% of all test is free.. and the unbound portion is inactive because it is mostly bound to plasma protein such as the shbg..

a small dose of winstrol even at 10mg ed or eod would allow more of your test to be unbound in a free state if needed...

Thanks..I never could figure out what all meant..

 

[ohiostate2827]

hcg will convert to e2 in some ppl.. who cares about nut size anyways..did you retest for shbg? if your shbg is real low then your e2 is gonna feel like double than what it really is

 

[flagsup]

hcg will convert to e2 in some ppl.. who cares about nut size anyways..did you retest for shbg? if your shbg is real low then your e2 is gonna feel like double than what it really is

my shbg was 13 nmol/l

says 10-50 is normal. Not quite sure what that means, maybe you can shed some lite on this for me..

 

[JCBourne]

I never been on HCG and I know my boys are smaller but at most 25%...I still shoot huge loads....I'd maybe add some HCG now and then but I'm on TRT for life so why unless I am trying to have kids? I'd rather shoot blanks than knock some dumb bitch up and give her 25%.

HCG good for shooting huge loads, you say you do that so no reason there. Another reason is to get your boys bigger but if you don't mind then again doesn't matter. Not trying to have kids.

So why? Well HCG does raise T levels, peaks about 72 hours. Some feel better using it. If your nuts ever hurt it may help.

Sounds more like your not looking to use it and given your not worried about kids, etc. I can see why.

 

[flagsup]

Yeah, I am not sure where HCG is concerned..Got a letter from Doc, he said if I wanted to try shot every 5 days that's fine, just check labs 5 days after 3rd shot. 100 mg every 5 days. Labs June 4th...

 

[ohiostate2827]

my shbg was 13 nmol/l

says 10-50 is normal. Not quite sure what that means, maybe you can shed some lite on this for me..

the lower the shbg is the more test and estrogen is goin to be in the blood stream. shbg should be about 20.. at your levels your estrogen is gonna feel like double. free test imo is what really matters.. total test looks good to me.. i would be wondering what the root cause is.

 

[flagsup]

the lower the shbg is the more test and estrogen is goin to be in the blood stream. shbg should be about 20.. at your levels your estrogen is gonna feel like double. free test imo is what really matters.. total test looks good to me.. i would be wondering what the root cause is.

How do I get my SHBG to raise? I always seems to have problems with estrogen, it has been the last couple years but even on 100mg of cypionate every 5 or 7 days, i have to monitor it close. I start feeling soft and start getting man boobs, feeling like shit and then I take some otc pct product to help with estrogen but then I do labs and it all comes back looking good but still feel soft..My bodyfat was 17% the last time checked so not too bad. The whole trt thing was to try to get everything on a level. Years of prohormone seemed to mess things up hormonally..Just trying to get things on a level...