Need help with my new cycle.

[hansel2010]

Ok guys first i am going to tell my stats so you can give me a better help. Please i know most of you will say diet is the thing diet this i know that i really do i just havent done it but i will do a good diet this time but still want to use this cycle just need help to see of i am correct or not or if i need something else.
Ok
Age: 23
Height: 5.6
Weight: 233lbs
Bf%: 35%
year of training since 18yrs old but not consistently i stoped for 4-6 month sometimes i am back to the gym now. i have been 2 month now.
ok i want to use
week 1-10 Test Cyp 200mg 1 time a week.
week 1-4 Oral Tren 3 a day for 4 weeks
week 4-10 winstrol injectable for last 6 weeks.
and i dont know if i should use Arimidex with this cycle since i have a high bf% so it can help me. I will appreciate any help plz i dont need any insults since thats why i am asking for help so i can know what to do thank you very much for the help.
i used one time winny alone and lost a good 30 pounds in about 1 month and a half. and then used tren acetate and got some good result even though i did it wrong cause was my first time. but then i used tetos 400 and didnt go to the gym cause a ploblem started eating and got this fat.

 

[Swfl]

First cycle?

 

[hansel2010]

not actually sorry i updated the post read the last things.

 

[Swfl]

Ok I'd say arimidex at your bf is going to be critical, I'd not do the oral tren and bump test to 500mg/wk then switch to oral winny 75mg/day that should set you up nice. IMO but your going to need to focus on HIIT style cardio for the best results. Weights will help but 4days/wk of HIIT and 3days we its full body should do the trick.


Edit I'm not saying anything about diet since you stressed you have that part. For your sake I hope you do but I won't hold my breath.

 

[hansel2010]

so u mean i should do
1-10 test cyp 500mg a week
4-10 oral winny 75mg every day
and arimidex the entire cycle?
and ofcourse a good dieat and i will do 5 days high intensive cardio. sorry idk what HIIT means
and what about i i change the oral tren for injectable tren acetate or i should just leave it out? cause i think tren will help me stay lean and get some muscle?
and will arimidex be my best choice Oral arimidex?

 

[Swfl]

Tren is good but not sure you need it. I like injectable as much as possible. Not a big fan of orals as there hard on liver. You going to be shocking your system big time anyway and oral winny is hard enough so not sure you really need more stress. Test will build muscle and preserve muscle.

You NEED to google HIIT it is the way to go. If NOK is around he can chime in on this one... So can Kenny Croxdale. He'll most here can vouch for it.

Tren won't help you stay lean until you get lean and at your current bf you have some work ahead of you. Next cycle when your down into the 12-15% or less range IMO

 

[hansel2010]

alright that was a great help so u say u prefer injectable than oral in winny shoulndt be better to take it injectable than oral. since arimidex will be oral 2 orals idk if is good

 

[Swfl]

Armidex isn't as hard on the liver I don't think. But not totally sure to be honest. Injectable winny hurts like fuck last time I tried it I ended up drinking it lol

 

[hansel2010]

hehe yeah i did it one time and it hurt alot, but i really loved the result i got from it the water one.. but i dont really care about the pain i just want the best results and if one gives me better result than the other then i take the best one so is oral same as good as the injectable or which is better for me right now?

 

[Swfl]

I like to be able to actually work the muscle after an injection.... Oral works great for me. It's the same exact drug just delivered a different way.

 

[hansel2010]

alright last question and thanks alot for the help man .. Alirhgt should i run the oral winny and oral arimidex the whole cycle or just from week 4-10? and when u say bump up the test to 500mg a week u mean 500mg in 1 day a week or separated in 250mg 2 times a week how will it be better? and last thing how can i send u a private messege i have a question to ask?

 

[Swfl]

You need to get 11 post. 250x2/wk Adex all cycle winny whole time if your gonna stop at 10 weeks will be ok, some will disagree.

Go to new member section then welcome lots of folks get to 11 then PM away

 

[hansel2010]

alright thanks alot man

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

I honestly wouldn't waste your money on a cycle right now, Your going to see little to no results even with a perfect diet at that BF%

Get you a good thermo, really dial in you diet lose 15-20% then cycle, Then the gains make will be much more substantial. As for your proposed cycle, it is really bad IMO. Really brother, your bf% is just way to high for you to cycle right now.

 

[Swfl]

I honestly wouldn't waste your money on a cycle right now, Your going to see little to no results even with a perfect diet at that BF%

Get you a good thermo, really dial in you diet lose 15-20% then cycle, Then the gains make will be much more substantial. As for your proposed cycle, it is really bad IMO. Really brother, your bf% is just way to high for you to cycle right now.

I agree with this, It was my concern but I also know that when a young man decides to do something its hard to stop them. so hopefully you get on the HIIT and eat well program and see some improvements first but if not good luck with your cycle.

 

[ROID]

You need to hire a dietician and a trainer, if you can find a good trainer.

6 months from now you are going to be in the exact same shape you are in now.

Go get your thyroid checked.

 

[Nok]

you can shred by diet alone, no need for cardio if you get it dialed in. so i suggest you dial in your macros, and then once that is worked out add in some HIIT.

fuck the tren, fuck the winstrol. just run some test, that will help you keep the muscle while you burn the fat.

throw in some clenbuterol if u really want to melt off some fat.

1: diet
2: HIIT
3: test/clen

 

[hansel2010]

Guys i really apppreciate your help but what i want to do now i been thinking is. Spend 2 month dieting and HIIT so can lose atleast 30 pounds. So when im down to 190-200lbs i will do thee cycle one time i was 190lbs and used winstrol by it self for like a month and half or 2 month and got to 167lbs.. so thats why i want to combine it with test so i can get some muscle too cause i have research and found out that the more muscle your body have the more fat it will burn and the fastest the metabolism gets. That is just why. So i think that if when i get to 190lbs by my self using the cycle will be good because this timei will do iteven better than last time. Hey Nok so if i use cypionate/clen would be better? And should li use arimidex too ?

 

[hansel2010]

6 month from now i will be in the exact shape i am now? Really lol

You need to hire a dietician and a trainer, if you can find a good trainer.

6 months from now you are going to be in the exact same shape you are in now.

Go get your thyroid checked.