New bulking diet.

[seank02]

Let me know what you guys think.

I am 140 6'2" shootin for 190-200 about 12%bf

Nutrition:
Cals - 4839
Fat - 174
....Sat - 43
....Poly - 57
....Mono - 56
Carbs - 388
Protein - 429

Meal 1 5:00 - 6:00
-3 Egg whites
-1 whole egg
-1/2c oats
-12oz milk
-1tbls Flaxseed oil

Meal 2 9:00
-Banana + Peanut Butter on whole wheat bread
-2 Egg whites
-1 Whole Egg
-12oz water

Meal 3 12:00
-1/2c cottage cheese.
-1/2 can tuna on whole wheat bread
-Banana
-12oz water
-tbls olive oil

Meal 4 3:00
-1/2c Brown rice
-8oz chicken in wheat wrap
-yogurt
-12oz water

Meal 5 5:00
-1/2c oats
-12oz water
-Shake
....-tbls flax
....-Scoop whey
....-Strawberries
....-8oz Milk

***WORKOUT***
-12oz water

Meal 6 8:00
-Chicken breast, salmon or flank steak
-1c barley
-12oz water

Is that too much protein to take in 1 day?? Iwas thinking it was but im no expert.

Anything help would be good.

thanks.

 

[JimSnow]

Let me know what you guys think.

I am 140 6'2" shootin for 190-200 about 12%bf

Nutrition:
Cals - 4839
Fat - 174
....Sat - 43
....Poly - 57
....Mono - 56
Carbs - 388
Protein - 429

Meal 1 5:00 - 6:00
-3 Egg whites
-1 whole egg
-1/2c oats
-12oz milk
-1tbls Flaxseed oil

Meal 2 9:00
-Banana + Peanut Butter on whole wheat bread
-2 Egg whites
-1 Whole Egg
-12oz water

Meal 3 12:00
-1/2c cottage cheese.
-1/2 can tuna on whole wheat bread
-Banana
-12oz water
-tbls olive oil

Meal 4 3:00
-1/2c Brown rice
-8oz chicken in wheat wrap
-yogurt
-12oz water

Meal 5 5:00
-1/2c oats
-12oz water
-Shake
....-tbls flax
....-Scoop whey
....-Strawberries
....-8oz Milk

***WORKOUT***
-12oz water

Meal 6 8:00
-Chicken breast, salmon or flank steak
-1c barley
-12oz water

Is that too much protein to take in 1 day?? Iwas thinking it was but im no expert.

Anything help would be good.

thanks.

Everybody's gonna say, "where are the veggies"! I'm adding many to my diet.

Can anyone stick to a diet as stringent as that? No way! Sounds great, sans the lack of veggies! But, at your weight and height... I'd be working out like hell and becoming a regular at Captain Dee's and Burger King for awhile. MANY CALORIES.

I'm wrong. But, that's what I'd do. BTW - you're putting protein requirements in "too high" a regard... I think.

How can you exist on barley, whey and cottage cheese before a monster Mac Attack? Variety, in addition to simple requirement needs?

 

[WBM]

Way too much protein. If you're bulking, you're better off getting the biggest portion of your calories from fats and carbohydrates.

I'm curious, though...what does your current nutrition look like?

 

[tucker01]

Way too much protein. If you're bulking, you're better off getting the biggest portion of your calories from fats and carbohydrates.

I'm curious, though...what does your current nutrition look like?

I agree with this. Carbs and fats are of the most benefit during a bulk. That is the next question what does your diet look like leading up to this?

 

[JimSnow]

I say again.

Workout, rest, and eat like hell, anything and all goes! At your size, you'll see magnificent improvements... the diet, you'll adapt after 6 months to a year - when you're big and strong.

Don't worry about carbs, fats and reading too much.

 

[tucker01]

I say again.

Workout, rest, and eat like hell, anything and all goes! At your size, you'll see magnificent improvements... the diet, you'll adapt after 6 months to a year - when you're big and strong.

Don't worry about carbs, fats and reading too much.

How are you meant to make adjustments if you just eat like hell? Suppose you are putting on too much fat, how are you meant to look back and see where to make changes and improve on your progress?

The advice you have posted is really poor. This is about educating yourselfs on what certain macros and foods have an impact on your progress. Thus making the best and healthiest progress.

 

[WBM]

If he eats whatever he wants, he's bound to put on too much unnecessary fat. What's the point? Isn't the goal to put to gain as much mass as possible, as lean as possible? Why risk putting on a lot of fat just because you want to eat like shit?

Eat clean, gain the mass as lean as possible so that you don't have to do a ridiculous cut and lose much mass that you've gained.

 

[JimSnow]

How are you meant to make adjustments if you just eat like hell? Suppose you are putting on too much fat, how are you meant to look back and see where to make changes and improve on your progress?

The advice you have posted is really poor. This is about educating yourselfs on what certain macros and foods have an impact on your progress. Thus making the best and healthiest progress.

Of course my advice is poor, but practical. I keep reading about small guys, generally trying to bulk up... with concerns about bodyfat, supplements and utter nonsense at elementary stages. Usually young people.

That's like putting the cart before the horse.

Workout hard, eat a lot, get protein, get rest... you'll figure it out along the way. Don't get fixated on details. It's a distraction. You're not going to damage your body from "uncorrect diets" in your youthfulness.

You'll see big gains and "unexpected" changes in your body. It will encourage you to learn more. People telling you "this is right, this is wrong" will only confuse you. Waste of time... for now.

BTW - You've got to remember... the most effective way to make visible changes to your body is through regular and vigorous anerobic activity. Done faithfully and even semi-wisely for most... calorlic intake is quickly adjusted "upwards". People cannot know this until actaully practiced for a few months. You'll actually loose fat while gaining muscle in the first year!


Respectfully.

 

[tucker01]

Why is it a waste of time to educate yourself about your body?

Where has he said he is a hard-gainer? or previous diet experience?

Why not instill proper eating habits at this age, instead of developing tendacies for shit foods, where that habit will be harder to break when you are older.

 

[JimSnow]

Why is it a waste of time to educate yourself about your body?

Where has he said he is a hard-gainer? or previous diet experience?

Why not instill proper eating habits at this age, instead of developing tendacies for shit foods, where that habit will be harder to break when you are older.

Practically... he, and others, are typically making their diets to stringent (from the onsett), too tight... always coming to the wrong conclusions based on common and repeated misconceptions.

We all know, as "building enthusiasts", that we have to "eat big". As a newbie, think that way... your gains will be big. As long as your diet is "thoughtful enough" - you'll cover your nutritional bases. When you start trying to cut calories, fats, etc. without doing the roadwork... you're probably cutting into your gains.

 

[tucker01]

Practically... he, and others, are typically making their diets to stringent (from the onsett), too tight... always coming to the wrong conclusions based on common and repeated misconceptions.

We all know, as "building enthusiasts", that we have to "eat big". As a newbie, think that way... your gains will be big. As long as your diet is "thoughtful enough" - you'll cover your nutritional bases. When you start trying to cut calories, fats, etc. without doing the roadwork... you're probably cutting into your gains.

If they don't learn from there previous mistakes then that is there own stupidity.
And you don't have to eat big to be big. I am 225, and could gain weight on 3000 cals a day. There is no general guide line that is going to work for every newbie and that is my point. So it would be best to take this time right now and learn proper habits, and make adjustments.

There is no quick fix for wanting to gain 40lbs, just like when cutting there is no quick fix. The only thing you are setting yourself up for is problems in the future. So best to tackle the issues right now, instead of thinking your actions will lead to no future problems, but just eating what you want.

 

[JimSnow]

If they don't learn from there previous mistakes then that is there own stupidity.
And you don't have to eat big to be big. I am 225, and could gain weight on 3000 cals a day. There is no general guide line that is going to work for every newbie and that is my point. So it would be best to take this time right now and learn proper habits, and make adjustments.

There is no quick fix for wanting to gain 40lbs, just like when cutting there is no quick fix. The only thing you are setting yourself up for is problems in the future. So best to tackle the issues right now, instead of thinking your actions will lead to no future problems, but just eating what you want.

I'm 202. On 3,000 calories a day... I'd loose 6 lbs. a week. A lot of this arguement is derived from "activity levels". I have a ridiculously physical job, while trying to workout. It's almost a "cure-all" for any excess in my diet since I have trouble gaining weight. I just add nutrients.

I once read about a self-sustained guy that lived in Alaska... only ate elk and eggs. Doctors tested him... perfect physical condition, good cholesterol.

Exercise works... an intelligent diet can only improve?

 

[seank02]

first of all thanks for all the advice.

I have a very hard time gaining weight, my dad was the same way. When ever i eat with my buddies they are allways asking, "how the hell do you weigh 140 eatin like that?" But the thing is i have never stuck to a diet and tried to eat alot consistently on a daily basis. I think the reason for that is because i am working 55 60 hours a week on a construction jobsite (no microwave or anything). I no thats no excuse and if i put my mind to it, it could be done. The other thing is i am 20 yrs old and still feel as though i need to have a life and go out.

But with that said i would like to try to start out right and eat healthy, i no i have to much protein in there but i am affraid if i take out the protein foods im gonna loose calories and other nutritions. Is the protien a problem if i dont change it up? All excess is going to turn into fat correct?

By the way my diet going into this diet is absolutely horrbible.

Thanks everyone.

 

[visionsect]

Jim and IainDaniel are both making important statements, and I feel I understand where each is coming from.There has to be a balance somewhere between the two points. However, I completely agree with IainDaniel that any beginner should become completely "educated" when making important decisions about their body. Education is safety and power.

Your body is not a toy (although we like to think so at certain times ), and should never be treated as such. It is best to make informed and educated decisions about what you eat, why you are eating it, and what the effects can be. On the other hand, I think Jim is saying not to become too overloaded with info (since there are a lot of big shot opinions out there that conflict with one another). I would seek professional opinions from those who are also "educated" and practice what they preach, and then make the proper adjustments from the start. You can always tweak as you go along to personalize your diet.

 

[JimSnow]

first of all thanks for all the advice.

I have a very hard time gaining weight, my dad was the same way. When ever i eat with my buddies they are allways asking, "how the hell do you weigh 140 eatin like that?" But the thing is i have never stuck to a diet and tried to eat alot consistently on a daily basis. I think the reason for that is because i am working 55 60 hours a week on a construction jobsite (no microwave or anything). I no thats no excuse and if i put my mind to it, it could be done. The other thing is i am 20 yrs old and still feel as though i need to have a life and go out.

But with that said i would like to try to start out right and eat healthy, i no i have to much protein in there but i am affraid if i take out the protein foods im gonna loose calories and other nutritions. Is the protien a problem if i dont change it up? All excess is going to turn into fat correct?

By the way my diet going into this diet is absolutely horrbible.

Thanks everyone.

If you're working 55-60 hours a week and trying to work out, not happy... you've got problems similar to mine. I solved one problem... well two, stepped down from a salaried manager to 40 hrs. a week (for rest) and got a divorce.

Be happy, first.

Nothing will happen until you are "happy".

Start there. Read my previous post, as well as the one that followed.


JimSnow

 

[JimSnow]

Jim and IainDaniel are both making important statements, and I feel I understand where each is coming from.There has to be a balance somewhere between the two points. However, I completely agree with IainDaniel that any beginner should become completely "educated" when making important decisions about their body. Education is safety and power.

Your body is not a toy (although we like to think so at certain times ), and should never be treated as such. It is best to make informed and educated decisions about what you eat, why you are eating it, and what the effects can be. On the other hand, I think Jim is saying not to become too overloaded with info (since there are a lot of big shot opinions out there that conflict with one another). I would seek professional opinions from those who are also "educated" and practice what they preach, and then make the proper adjustments from the start. You can always tweak as you go along to personalize your diet.

Geesh, my body is the only toy I've got to play with!

 

[visionsect]

Dang Jim...you need to get a hobby bro...lol!!! If I had a powerhouse body like that dude I would be my only toy as well. ha!

 

[visionsect]

BTW Sean, about 7-years ago, I was 6'1 and 145lbs (very similar to you). Then I went to college and started doing less weight training, eating very bad, but at least I was practicing Mixed Martial Arts 3X a week, if not more. When I finished college I was 188lbs and most of that was on my belly (too many pizzas).

I decided I was unhappy with my physical appearance so I got back into weight training and still practice MMA. I have lost most of the fat so far and am much more toned now. I weigh in at about 178lbs now and am still slowly but surely gaining through use of good eating habits and training. So be patient, be happy, eat good, do your studies through the stickies here and always make sure any advice you take has good research behind it. You will make the gains through consistency and putting your heart into what you do.
Good luck my friend.

 

[seank02]

BTW Sean, about 7-years ago, I was 6'1 and 145lbs (very similar to you). Then I went to college and started doing less weight training, eating very bad, but at least I was practicing Mixed Martial Arts 3X a week, if not more. When I finished college I was 188lbs and most of that was on my belly (too many pizzas).

I decided I was unhappy with my physical appearance so I got back into weight training and still practice MMA. I have lost most of the fat so far and am much more toned now. I weigh in at about 178lbs now and am still slowly but surely gaining through use of good eating habits and training. So be patient, be happy, eat good, do your studies through the stickies here and always make sure any advice you take has good research behind it. You will make the gains through consistency and putting your heart into what you do.
Good luck my friend.

Nice post man thanks.

What kind of mma u training for? I wouldnt mind triying brizilian jui-jitsu and mui tai. But anyways yea i just gotta be patient stitck my diet and a crap load and work out hard.

 

[visionsect]

Unfortunately, my wife will not let me compete anymore, but I still practice Brazilian Jujitsu, kickboxing, and several others. I used to compete in Charleston WV, and back in my 145lbs days I won Kentucky State Champion. I was small, quick, and moved like a spider monkey..haha. What helped me big time was all the guys at my dojo were 195+, so I got to practice with the big boys. I have had the honor of practicing with several of Royce Gracie's students which was really nice also.

Get into BJJ, it will make you an addict. haha!

 

[DiGiTaL]

Wait, if your protein intake is high...doesnt the rest of proteins turn to fat anyways? which is something he needs?