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New training routine: need help/advice/assistance.

Claudette

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Okay, I've been doing the same routine for about 6 weeks now and it's definitely time for a change. My goals are to lose some body fat (about 10 pounds) and get stronger. Since January, I haven't been challenging myself as much as I should. Last year I experimented with strength training and got incredibly strong (for me) and would like to do that again, but I also need to increase my cardio. Following is a list of my training routines. It is not an accurate split, as sometimes my schedule gets hectic and I might have to miss a day and combine workouts. For example, if I didn't get a chance to do chest earlier in the week and it's now Saturday and I'm supposed to do shoulders, then I'd do shoulders and chest together. The only split that stayed consistent was the Quad/Hamstring split.

Sunday: Quads and calves and cardio (35 minutes plus a 10 minute warm up).
Squats: 1 warm up set of 20, followed by 3 x 15
Leg press (the machine, not the free-weight one): 3 x 15
Leg extension: 3 x 15
Abductor: 3 x 15
Adductor 3 x 15
Lunges (stationary): holding 10-15 lbs 3 x 20

My calve workouts vary, so I won't post them. I already have decent big calves, so I don't work them that often. When I do work them, I do about 2 x 20 on the standing calf and 2 x 20 on the donkey calf (about 280-300 pounds)

Monday: Back, abs, cardio (same as Sunday, except I'll do the rowing machine--feels great on back day :) )
Lat pull down: 3 x 15
Close-grip pull down: 3 x 15
Wide cable row: 3 x 15
Upright Row: 3 x 15 (elbows out)
Single-arm DB row: 3 x 15
Pull ups: I use the assisted pull-up machine, so my reps vary. I tend to keep with 4 sets and try to bang out as much as I can with as little assistance as possible--I max out at 10 and have a min. of 5.
Back extensions: 3 x 20 (holding a 10 pound weight for about 10-15 sets).

Tuesday: Off--> I tend to do some sort of cardio, like swimming or an aerobics class. But sometimes I'm not able to make it.

Wednesday: Bis and Tris and abs and cardio (shorter cardio day)
Incline db curl: 3 x 15
Alternating db curl (supersetted with above): 3 x 15
Concentration curl: 3 x 15
Hammer curl: 3 x 15
21s: 3 x 15
Tris:
Dips: non-weighted bench dips: 1 set: 40; 2nd set 32; 3rd set 40.
Single arm overhead tricep extension (supersetted with above): 3 x 15
ez-bar reverse grip cable pull-down: 3 x 15
ez-bar cable pull-down, hands out wide (love this one): 3 x 15
Kickbacks: 3 x 15

Thursday: Hams and glutes and calves (just a little)
Lying leg curl: 3 x 15
Seated leg curl: 3 x 15
Plie squats: 3 x 15
Reverse lunges: 3 x 20 (holding 10 lb weight)
Deadlifts: 3 x 15
Butt blaster (sometimes--about every other week or so, depending on which gym I went to): 3 x 12-15
Abductor: 3 x 15
Adductor: 3 x 15 (I wouldn't do these every hamstring day, but sometimes if I was in the mood, I would--same goes for Abductors).

Same calve routine as above. Cardio would be the treadmill on level 15% incline at speed 3.7-4.1 for about 20 minutes and then I'd switch to the precor or elliptical b/c I have bad knees and can't handle the stairmaster yet.

Friday: Chest and abs and cardio
DB press: 3 x 15
Incline DB press (supersetted with above): 3 x 15
Incline flyes: 3 x 15
Pec Deck: 3 x 15
Push ups: 20, 20, failure.

Saturday: Shoulders and cardio
Military press (I just started doing this a few weeks ago. I used to do shoulder presses in its place, but realized I was probably doing too much on shoulder days, and replaced it with military press to get stronger): 3 x 15
Lateral raise: 3 x 15
Front raise: 3 x 15
Rear delt machine (sometimes I do the machine, sometimes I'll do free-weights): 3 x 15
Internals: 3 x 12
Externals: 3 x 12
Upright rows (don't know why, but I don't always do this exercise, but when I do it, I tend to do it last): 3 x 15

Okay, that was my training routine. Sometimes I wouldn't workout 6 days a week, but I would still manage to fit in all my body parts. Unfortunately, starting next week, my schedule goes haywire. I will be working M-F from 0730-4pm and have class M-Th from 5-10pm, which means that I'm going to hit the gym at 0400. This leaves me pressed for time because cardio is one area that I"m lacking, and sometimes I'm not able to get in the full 45+ minutes.

Like I said, my goals for the rest of the summer are to lose at least 10 pounds of body fat and increase my cardio workouts. I would also like to switch up my routine, and possibly begin strength training again, but need help with forming a time-freindly training split.

I think I would be taking Wednesdays off from lifting or training, because I have 2 classes that day on 2 different campuses, and it's going to be a hectic day without trying to wake up at 0345 to get to the gym. Also, I would like to have one leg day and another semi-leg day where all I did was lunges, etc. Legs and back are my favorite body parts to train, and I love working legs twice a week, but am tired of my current split.

I think I'm done rambling. I hope someone can give me some advice on a good training split and some quick workouts so I can be in and out of the gym in the mornings.

Thanks a lot!

Tracie
 
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I think your doing to much, I'd go with a 3 day split and do cardio on your off days.
How's your diet, you may want to take a good look in the nutrition section, many people rely on cardio to shed BF but really should be doing it mostly through proper diet.

I would suggest cutting some of your workout down a bit as well, that way you can do 2 body parts per workout and keep your weight training to 3 days a week.

BTW, I'm still waiting for those Pics :)
 
Thanks, STB. I still need help with the workouts, though. I realize I'm doing too much, but unfortunately, I have yet to learn how to maximize my workouts in a short amount of time and still get in the essential exercises. Does that make sense? Wanna help with this :help: If so, then there's a shiny (old) photo from October of last year in it for you :) I look the same, only I weigh about 5 more pounds now. How bad do you want it, STB ;)
 
Monday ??? Back / bi???s
Pull downs 2x10-12
Pull ups 2x10-12
Bent over BB rows or DB rows 2x8-10
Deadlifts 2x10-12
BB curls 3x10
Preacher curls or hammer curls 3x10

Tuesday ??? Chest / Shoulders / tri???s
DB press 3x10
Incline DB press 3x10
Flat flies or cable crossover 2x10
Seated DB press 2x8-10
Bent over side laterals 2x8-10 SS with standing side laterals 8/10
ez-bar reverse grip cable pull-down 2x10
ez-bar cable pull-down, hands out wide (love this one): 2x10
Dips or CG bench 2x10

Friday ??? Legs / Abs
Squats 3x8-10
Leg press 2x10
Leg ext ss with leg curl 2x8-10
Lunges 2x10-12
Standing calf raise ss with seated calf raise 2x12
Hanging leg raise 2x15
Crunches 2x15
 
If your goal is to gain strength you're definitely doing too much work. I agree w/ STB....I would rely mostly on diet to shed BF....all that cardio is only going to reduce your strength gains.

I would suggest the following split/program, a friend of mine developed this for me and my strength increased dramatically:

Day 1

1a. Wide Grip pronated pull-ups, 3 sets...as many as possible for 60 sec
1b. Parallel dips, 3 sets...as many as possible for 60 sec

RI...90 sec


2a. One arm DB row, 3 sets 6
2b. Close grip straight bar press-downs, 3 sets 6

RI...30 seconds

3. Lying on side DB raise (straight arm), 3sets 12-15....RI, 60 sec

Day 2

1. Barbell lunge, RI 60 sec, 8 sets 5
2a. Harrop curl, RI 0 sec, 3 sets -2,
2b. Back extension, 180 sec RI, 3 sets 10
3. Standing calf raise, RI 120 sec, 3 sets 10,10,10

Day 3

1a. Shoulder width incline press, RI 90 sec, 3 sets 4/4
1b. Close grip supinated chin-up, RI 90 sec, 3 sets 1+max
2a. Semi-pronated flat DB press, RI 30 sec, 6 sets 5
2b. Reverse EZ bar curl, RI 30 sec, 6 sets 5
3. Elbow on knee external DB rotation, RI 60 sec, 3 sets 12-15

This program was developed specifically for me. my goals were to increase upper body strength, specifically increase the continuous # of chins/pullup/dips I could do. I also had a shoulder injury, which is why I was doing external rotations....I noticed you were doing internals....if you wanted to keep them, switch to internal rotations on day 1 instead of the external.
 
A 1000 more questions :)

Thanks W8, but I need you to define a few things for me, if you could.

What is a Harrop curl?
What is a Semi-pronated flat DB press?
Is pronated over or under? (Can you tell I'm having a brain fart?)Don't answer that last one :D
I don't know if I ever do a shoulder-width incline press when I do them. I think I just do them regular, which might be shoulder-width? I think I'm confused about this one.
I do both external and internal rotations, so I'll probably do both with this workout. Should I superset them? Also, when I do my external rotations, I do it laying on my side. Would this method be as effective as placing my elbow on my knee?
Does 1a and 1b, etc mean that I'm supersetting those? I'm pretty sure that's what it means, I'm just making sure.
Should I use weight with the back extensions?
Are the lunges the only thing I'm doing for legs with this routine?

I think that's all for now. Thanks for your help, Scott and w8 :thumb: . Oh, one more question: Since I'm trying to lose weight and strength train at the same time, what would be my optimum choice for nutrition? Right now my diet is alright. I don't eat junk food, and I keep my sugar intake down. My protein sources come mainly from tuna, chicken and protein and meal replacement shakes. I just want to make sure I have enough energy when I'm doing this routine.

Thanks,
Tracie :cool:
 
Re: A 1000 more questions :)

Originally posted by Claudette
Thanks W8, but I need you to define a few things for me, if you could.

What is a Harrop curl?

On your knees, either w/ a partner holding your feet or use a decline bench and hook your feet....slowly lower yourself forward, keeping your body straight, and using your hams/glutes, once you get to the ground (or as low as you can go w/o falling if you're using a bench) push yourself up and repeat....when you push yourself up, keep your body straight, don't cheat by going ass first

What is a Semi-pronated flat DB press?
Is pronated over or under?

Neutral grip, palms facing each other

I don't know if I ever do a shoulder-width incline press when I do them. I think I just do them regular, which might be shoulder-width? I think I'm confused about this one.

Don't worry too much about this one, just don't go too wide.

I do both external and internal rotations, so I'll probably do both with this workout. Should I superset them? Also, when I do my external rotations, I do it laying on my side. Would this method be as effective as placing my elbow on my knee?

Yes you could superset them. Either method of E/R will work....just like everything, variety/switching it up is good....if you've been doing it thus far on your side, why don't you try elbow on knee for a bit

Does 1a and 1b, etc mean that I'm supersetting those? I'm pretty sure that's what it means, I'm just making sure.

Yes...that's what it means

Should I use weight with the back extensions?

The tempo for the extensions was 333, if you can use that tempo w/ a weight, do it.

Are the lunges the only thing I'm doing for legs with this routine?

Yes, 8 sets, you'll be glad that's all you're doing :D

Keep a journal, and each week, add a rep to each set for each exercise...so if week one you're doing 3/6, the next you'd do 3/7. I should note that the tempos are rather slow....usually a 3-4 second eccentric.



I think that's all for now. Thanks for your help, Scott and w8 :thumb: . Oh, one more question: Since I'm trying to lose weight and strength train at the same time, what would be my optimum choice for nutrition? Right now my diet is alright. I don't eat junk food, and I keep my sugar intake down. My protein sources come mainly from tuna, chicken and protein and meal replacement shakes. I just want to make sure I have enough energy when I'm doing this routine.

I think you should post in nutrition and give us a sample of your daily diet....I'm not liking that MRP :D

Thanks,
Tracie :cool:
 
Hi Claudette...since you PMd me for my opinion I will give it here...I agree fully with W8 and STB in that you are simply doing too many sets and working out too many days. You are OVERTRAINING which will raise your cortisol levels, hindering your ability to add muscle and lose fat.

My simple suggestion is to go to a 4 day split...
day 1...chest/delts/calves
day 2...back/low back/abs
day 3...cardio only
day 4...quads/hams/calves
day 5...arms/abs
day 6...cardio only
day 7...OFF

Sets for each bodypart...
-chest...7-9
-back...8-10
-delts...6-8
-biceps..4-6
-triceps...5-7
-quads...8-10
-hams...7-9
-calves...3-5
-abs...3-5.. can be done 3 days per week

As for cardio...
-training days...20-30 minutes on empty stomach
-cardio days...30-45 minutes on empty stomach

If you have any specific questions for me just let me know!
 
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